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beowulf2700 |
You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 4 2009, 4:51 PM EDT
Saw this on the discovery channel, tried it my self and it workswhat you need: gas operated engine 40+ ft long flame resistent hose. (diamiter varies) 1 burning barrel (oil drum) 1 smaller metal container (very small, like a metal gas can) surplus of wood (i mean LLOOOTTTZZZ fire starting material Operation 1 get a hose that fits the nozzle on you smaller conatiner (air tight) 2. create a method of filling the smaller container with wood chips 3. place it larger barrel 4. connect the other end of the hose to the carborator. 5. burn the wood in larger barrel 6. 4-5 hrs later you have useable gas fumes Source Colony 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
livingdeadman |
1. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 4 2009, 8:19 PM EDT
"6. 4-5 hrs later you have useable gas fumes"Used for what? You have a gas can full of fumes. Exactly how long would it last? Do you find this valuable? |
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beowulf2700 |
2. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 4 2009, 8:52 PM EDT
well it is'nt the most effecient thing but if you run it from the gasifer to the carbarator it'll runhow much wood you put in it and how long you burn it until releasing the valve decides how much fuel you get it is not alot but it's perfect for a gas operated engine that is not run for long periods (note, do not use the following woods inside the gasifer pine any wood scraps with metal inside) the inside temp must reach 450 degrees before the gasification process begins.. the wood inside the smaller chamber will char, then disinegrate, then start releasing vapor. do not use near living quarters....possiblility of flashback and big booom....also toxic fumes... Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
3. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 4 2009, 9:02 PM EDT
"Sounds great! Do you find this valuable? |
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beowulf2700 |
4. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 5 2009, 10:42 AM EDT
"Sounds great!"built properly and built air tight the risk of flashback is null and it's gas , i dont think you huff gas do you??? (jk....makng a point, warning was for all of the people that lack common sense) 20ft-40ft away from living area is fine Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
5. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 5 2009, 8:15 PM EDT
" i dont think you huff gas do you??? (jk....makng a point, warning was for all of the people that lack common sense)No I don't huff gas, I help store it. About 3 billion cu. ft. to be exact. Do you find this valuable? |
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beowulf2700 |
6. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 6 2009, 10:37 AM EDT
"No I don't huff gas, I help store it. About 3 billion cu. ft. to be exact."noice....LP, Kerosene, Jet fuel, crude? or just normal gas? and btw...since your deaing with that sort of stuff How do you make a emergency release valve? perferably an automatic (avoid flying shrapnel to some extent) Do you find this valuable? |
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Flashlight50 |
7. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 6 2009, 11:29 AM EDT
It doesn't seem like the small amount of use you would get would be worth the labor, and time involved.
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timberrattler |
8. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 6 2009, 11:53 AM EDT
"noice....LP, Kerosene, Jet fuel, crude? or just normal gas?Natural gas. The company I work for provides me with relief valves. Making one homade would kind of get me fired. They are set for a certain pressure and when that pressure is surpased they pop off. I'm a good operator so I've never let things get that out of hand. Its great if you can accomplish this but I don't see the point? Why would you waste a natural recource like lumber to take a drive around the block? Not disrespecting you just trying to understand where your going with this. Everyone has a different vision of how things are going to be. I'd like to understand your vision. Do you find this valuable? |
sindevil00 |
9. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 31 2009, 9:06 PM EDT
It was recently shown on the discovery channel show "The Colony"...check it out if you haven't, post-apoch reality series. Also, the gasifer was used by European nations during WWII to run their vehicles.
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z_warrior |
10. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Aug 31 2009, 9:24 PM EDT
"Its great if you can accomplish this but I don't see the point? Why would you waste a natural recource like lumber to take a drive around the block? Not disrespecting you just trying to understand where your going with this. Everyone has a different vision of how things are going to be. I'd like to understand your vision."In the show they used the gasifyer to run an makeshift generator so the could recharge the bateries on their power tools. And it doesn't require a 2x4 or anything, just small pieces of wood. you could even use saw dust or wood shavings if you wanted. you would get more wood in the container that way anyways. Do you find this valuable? |
Eritsukukun |
11. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 16 2009, 8:47 AM EDT
"In the show they used the gasifyer to run an makeshift generator so the could recharge the bateries on their power tools. And it doesn't require a 2x4 or anything, just small pieces of wood. you could even use saw dust or wood shavings if you wanted. you would get more wood in the container that way anyways."Recharging batteries seems like a waste of effort since a Windmill or waterwheel make work just as well. t one could also make the point that a zombie apocalypse have a survival rate of less than 1% and as long as you know how to take gas from the many abandoned cars left on the streets. ough It does have some advantages in that it can run heavy engines. What kind of density would these "fumes" have? and how much gas does a moped for example need per hour? Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
12. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 16 2009, 9:54 AM EDT
"Recharging batteries seems like a waste of effort since a Windmill or waterwheel make work just as well. t one could also make the point that a zombie apocalypse have a survival rate of less than 1% and as long as you know how to take gas from the many abandoned cars left on the streets. ough It does have some advantages in that it can run heavy engines. What kind of density would these "fumes" have? and how much gas does a moped for example need per hour?"As stated before gasoline will break down. Whilst the rate will vary depending on the stabilisers added to it at time of purchase, after 18 months with no new supplies being made, there will be no more gasoline that will power an engine. Diesel is the same, avgas, kerosene, etc. Do you find this valuable? |
IrishHitman |
13. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 16 2009, 9:58 AM EDT
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"As stated before gasoline will break down. Whilst the rate will vary depending on the stabilisers added to it at time of purchase, after 18 months with no new supplies being made, there will be no more gasoline that will power an engine. Diesel is the same, avgas, kerosene, etc."I consulted a Chem PhD on the matter (a relative of mine), if they're stored right, it'll last longer than that. I asked if "Indefinitely" was a good way to describe it, but then he went on about how nothing is certain about this sort of thing. He said something about a couple of years. Supplies in petrol (gas) stations' underground tanks etc are not what I mean by properly stored. The only place you'll find petrol that is properly stored so it will last is at a refinery, or a storage facility near one... Do you find this valuable? |
nate121 |
14. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 17 2009, 4:10 PM EDT
"Recharging batteries seems like a waste of effort since a Windmill or waterwheel make work just as well. t one could also make the point that a zombie apocalypse have a survival rate of less than 1% and as long as you know how to take gas from the many abandoned cars left on the streets. ough It does have some advantages in that it can run heavy engines. What kind of density would these "fumes" have? and how much gas does a moped for example need per hour?"yes but can you build a water wheel? and denpening where you a windmills might not be practical a genorator is for on demand power nothing more and as for a moped you would need to build one on the moped(the fumes can't be stored Do you find this valuable? |
zombiesurvivorman |
15. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 17 2009, 8:18 PM EDT
When I saw the guys wasting their time with this on "The Colony" I wanted to cry... a LOT... they were wasting building material and cooking fuel.The part that really pissed me off was the fact that they were taking apart huge industrial fans to properly utilize their wood gas... Giant fans that could have easily been used and modified into wind powered turbines. there wont be much gas, but even my great uncle use to have one back before they were commercially available. You may be able to get enough electricity stored for use in emergency situations. Do you find this valuable? |
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nate121 |
16. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 17 2009, 8:44 PM EDT
"When I saw the guys wasting their time with this on "The Colony" I wanted to cry... a LOT... they were wasting building material and cooking fuel.(sigh) 1. they where burning pallats(not sure if spelled right)since when is that good bulding material? 2. there in a "city" not enough wind for a turbine 3. they get solar panels later on ya know 4. they needed on demand power not "whenever the wind decides to blow power 5. how would they mount the heavy industrial fan high enough? (the roof is not tall enough) Do you find this valuable? |
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Eritsukukun |
17. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 19 2009, 5:13 PM EDT
@post 14 by nate121I am pretty sure that the success rate of a waterwheel versus a gasifier is in the waterwheels favor since one is a wheel with pedals and the other involves high heat and pressure. thats irrelevant tough in this thread. quick questions that is not relevant to the success of a gasifier but why cant you store the fumes? and what happens to the fumes when it degrades? Do you find this valuable? |
NorCal_Survivors |
18. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 19 2009, 6:35 PM EDT
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Regarding gasoline storage:If you start with high-octane gas, use something like Stabil, store properly in metal cans, etc. ... filter the gas before using, you can EASILY have useable gas for 5 years or longer. This is not theory, I've seen it done. It would be a good idea when posting "information" to do so on the basis of actual firsthand knowledge. Do you find this valuable? |
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nate121 |
19. RE: You CAN get GAS: how to build a gasifer
Sep 19 2009, 7:25 PM EDT
"@post 14 by nate121they are very diffacult to pressurize (in a tank) and just puting them in a can would store very little not enough to warrent storege and water wheel only works in running water in the colony the nearest running water is blocks away Do you find this valuable? |
