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Migel |
is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 4:54 AM EDT
Well I'm getting another gun soon and I want to know what gun would be good.My definition of good in this situation is: 1. Will there be an abundance of ammo. 2. Will a shot kill its target be that a zed or a raider? 3. cheap yet effective? 4. light? 5. is it fast and accurate enough for mid range combat but is it small enough for cqb? 6. legal in california. (I know that the ruger is.) 7. reliable if there is another gun that fits this criteria then post it. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?
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Littlejon126 |
1. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 5:19 AM EDT
Number two is the only one that is questionable. Will a shot kill a zack or a raider? Depends on shot placement.Frankly, more people survive .22LR shots than don't. It's a diminutive cartridge. Sure, it's killed its fair share of people and is fully capable of delivering a death blow, but don't bet on a single shot doing the job using any firearm. If I had to shoot and kill a raider with one, I would unload on them with a .22LR. With Uncle Zack, I'm going to place each shot slowly in the head. The Ruger 10/22 is a great rifle but I personally just don't believe that the .22LR is a wonder bullet that some people on this site tote it to be. If I lived in California, I'd consider a Keltec SUB-16CA carbine (and stash a bunch of 30 round AR mags) but it's not exactly "cheap." At $600 (plus or minus $100) you're going to be paying for it. This is totally my opinion here, but if it were me, I'd move out of Cali just based on their gun control mess. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
Freelancer47 |
2. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 5:46 AM EDT
"Well I'm getting another gun soon and I want to know what gun would be good.1) Yes, there will always be an abundance of ammo for the .22 2) Yes & no. It depends on the Ammo type and the Protective Posture of your target. 3) Of course It's cheap, it's a flippin' .22 after all. 4) Yup. 5) Yes & No again. It's a light Caliber round that doesn't have much recoile. CQB on the other hand, that's a different story. Me personally, I want a round that will drop my contact in only a few rounds. 6) No Idea 7) Yes, it is. You can go through about 1,000 rounds and the damn thing will keep shooting with a bit of fouling. If there is another gun that fits this criteria then post it: Many. Period. Shotguns, Semi-Autos, and the such will fill this criteria. I'm not sure about CA laws on gun ownership (many people do not) but I would suggest a larger caliber weapon of choice. There's plenty of Information on this site and others. Do a Google search, check out the Pros-&-Cons of people's opinion, and make up your mind. I also recommend spending about 3 days at a range that will let you rent & test fire several Rifles. I hope this helps. -Freelancer47 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
timberrattler |
3. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 8:09 AM EDT
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A Marlin 1894C lever action will cost you about $500.1) .38s yes .357mag. I don't know anymore. Ammo availability is unpredictable these days. 2) Yes. 3) .38s will cost you less than .357s but this type of handgun ammo is going to be more expensive than .22s but for the knockdown power you'd receive it'd be worth it. 4) Handgun ammo is heavier than rifle ammo most of the time. 5) Coming in at 7lbs. and with an 18" barrel it fits that criteria. Accurate to 100yrds. You can increase that with Horandy Leverlution ammo. 6) Yes. 7) Yes. Like the Ruger it can share ammo with a handgun. Shooting .38+P is like shooting big .22s with this rifle the recoil is so light. However I don't know if you can buy JHPs in California which would take away an awesome round that leaves a big exit wound. Levers aren't for everyone. Try one out before buying. i 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Littlejon126 |
4. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 8:14 AM EDT
I always forget about the lever guns! A Marlin 336 30-30 can be had for even less; I see them selling for $300. I believe they hold 6 rounds in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. With practice, lever guns can be extremely fast.
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timberrattler |
5. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 8:23 AM EDT
"I always forget about the lever guns! A Marlin 336 30-30 can be had for even less; I see them selling for $300. I believe they hold 6 rounds in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. With practice, lever guns can be extremely fast."Your right on target LJ 6+1. I totally forgot about mentioning 30-30s as well. Although Winchester stopped making thier model 94 :( you can still find them in pawn shops and gun shops everywhere Marlin still makes the 336. Not as fast as a semi-auto but not by much and reliable too. You can reach out to 250yrds with a 30-30 and knock the living dog shit out of your target. 30-30 ammo is always available and is one of the most popular deer hunting calibers in the country. Good call. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
ironhand |
6. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 8:39 AM EDT
Everyone should own a good .22LR and the Ruger 10/22 is one of the best.As far as all your critia, a .22LR fits everything, but TESTED combat with zack as it is speculative whether or not the .22LR will do the job on a zombie. (I think Littlejon said enough about that.) Either way, a .22LR is one of the most practical and useful calibers out there for training and small game hunting. Second, to go WITH your Ruger, buy a 12g Pump Shotgun OR .357mag Lever Gun. Like 'Rattler said, you can shoot .38sp's in the .357mag Lever Gun making it very inexpensive to shoot and I doubt anyone with serious gun knowledge here to disagree that the .38sp has the ability to take down a zed. Also, a Lever rifle is NOT the clunky, slow weapon many make them out to be as I know with practice you can be very fast with them and they all come in solid calibers. As, the shotgun is more inexpensive than many other calibers to shoot with light game loads. This will let you practice with it alot and buy the Buckshot loads for defense. In CQC, the 12g is a proven performer - nuff said. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Littlejon126 |
7. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 8:48 AM EDT
"Everyone should own a good .22LR and the Ruger 10/22 is one of the best.Absolutely, well said. In fact, a .357 Mag levergun might be better than the 30-30 variants because of increase magazine capacity - I believe that most of those carry 10+1 rounds. Optics are also very easy to add to those guns, and precision tang mounted peep sights are also available, both of which making them very economical medium range precision rifles. The .22LR isn't a bad choice but in my opinion (and likely the opinions of most members here) you should have something a little bit bigger just to back it up. I'm really glad that this .22 conversation is staying on the light and happy side:) 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ak_fred |
8. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 11:23 AM EDT
"Well I'm getting another gun soon and I want to know what gun would be good.I dont think there's an _abundance_ of ammo. FYI I've tried to buy a brick of .22 ammo at several stores in the area and I had to drive 40 miles out of town for one brick. I know this is a bit off topic, but ammo in general is roughly double of what it was a few years ago. and it looks like .22 has been a popular alternative. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Flashlight50 |
9. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 11:50 AM EDT
I don't really know about if it is a good combat weapon, but I know it's one great small game rifle. To kill a person it will probably take more rounds than a larger caliber but, you can purchase mags. up to 50 rounds for a 10/22, and .22lr is the cheapest round out there. I also think that it is a good partner weapon for a larger caliber rifle or shot gun. I personally prefer a shot gun but I have used shot guns since I was 8 years old. Do you find this valuable? |
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BaTuuta |
10. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 12:42 PM EDT
if you can penetrate through the skull, 22lr rounds will actually ricochet around in the skull, causing huge amounts of trauma. however, don't think you'll be able to pull off many eye shots on a mobile target. very little stopping power from 22lr, even with multiple hits on a single zed. a modified 10/22 like mine, with the AR-15 stock mod, laser, flashlight, scope, muzzle break, and 25 round clips, might be just the thing for a zombie pet cemetery situation, however...also, they're great rifles to learn shooting skills on, and drill with, as they can be fired so affordably. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BaTuuta |
11. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 12:43 PM EDT
+1 on a lever action as an alternative. i have a marlin 1895GS in .45-70. take a bigger caliber than 30-30 for bigger zeds... and mutants, and any that might be drugged up. even a shotgun with slugs would be great (though not at longer ranges).
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BaTuuta |
12. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 12:50 PM EDT
an entry level pump action shotgun (mossberg 500 or remington 870) would probably not cost too much more than a 10/22. even considering the drop off in ballistics at ranges of 100+ yards, slugs will be waaaay more effective on a zed than .22lr rounds. a 12 gauge -- even a 20 -- is extremely versatile.... especially for zeds. heavy buckshot, and slugs are a must. if you don't own one, you really need to. or... get the 10/22 and a shotgun. the more guns, the better. :) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Littlejon126 |
13. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 1:31 PM EDT
"if you can penetrate through the skull, 22lr rounds will actually ricochet around in the skull, causing huge amounts of trauma. however, don't think you'll be able to pull off many eye shots on a mobile target. very little stopping power from 22lr, even with multiple hits on a single zed. a modified 10/22 like mine, with the AR-15 stock mod, laser, flashlight, scope, muzzle break, and 25 round clips, might be just the thing for a zombie pet cemetery situation, however...The "bounce around the skull" thing is relatively unproven; it's likely not going to go down like that. That's movie hype and not sound ballistics. Might ricochet once, but odds are that its going to embed on the other side of the skull. Most .22 rounds are all lead and would deform before a ricochet anyway, but it's much more probable with a jacketed bullet. I wouldn't gamble on that myth. I don't necessarily understand your statement regarding the 30-30, and it not being "big enough" because its 200 FPS faster and 250 ft/lbs more powerful than the 7.62x39 Soviet cartridge when using bullets of comparable weight (using statistics from Wikipedia). 30-30 rounds have no difficulty cracking through cinder blocks. Sure, compared to 45-70 it's a joke but I think 45-70 might actually be a bit overkill for zombies... Hell 45-70 is almost double the power of a lightly loaded 30-30 cartridge! Either way, the problem with .45-70 is the expense for the ammunition. Otherwise, I'm all for opting up for more power within a cartridge. Do you find this valuable? |
Thorn_of_kabolis |
14. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 1:59 PM EDT
we use our 30-30 for boar hunting and those suckers go down just fine so i think it will be ok on a zedDo you find this valuable? |
Birdman44 |
15. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 2:20 PM EDT
I think a .22lr and a shotgun would be the perfect way to start with firearms. They're both a blast to shoot, and the 10/22 its extremely reliable, the only thing I had trouble with were a few misfires from some crap box of ammo from remington. All you gotta do though its rack it again and keep shootin'! Shotguns in general are versitile, but the remington 870 is one of the neatest ones i've shot, If you get it chambered for magnum loads you can shoot pretty much anything in its guage and its also extremely reliable from what I've been hearing, and hell, it never jammed up when I was shooting it :]
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BaTuuta |
16. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 3:00 PM EDT
good points, littlejon. in a z-day situation, i don't think i'd screw around with a 10/22 except for collecting wild game for dinner. unless, like i said, we're dealing excusively with something like an infected pet population... even then, probably shotgun would be best.i'm mentioning the interior-skull-ricochet factor as a way of keeping positive... in a SHTF situation, particularly one in which access to firearms may be limited, sometimes hope is all you've got. don't think we can test this out by plinking at eyes. at least, not until z-day. as far as having "over-powered" options, i don't think you can go wrong, as long as you can 1) reload, and 2) shoot the weapon comfortably. my rifles are chambered in 7mm rem mag, and .45-70 govt. zombies might end up being considerably more powerful than humans... creatures with levels of strength more on par with say, bears. sure, you can take out one of the big black bears on my island with a 30-30, if you're a good shot... but i've also heard stories from fish and game of them practically absorbing a full tube magazine of 12 gauge slugs at close range, and still being prepared to raise hell. like i said, i'd rather be over-gunned. 10/22 is probably better for collecting food. Do you find this valuable? |
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BaTuuta |
17. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 3:02 PM EDT
12 gauge magnum slugs are good stuff at ranges inside of 100 yards (although, even after 50 yards, reliability starts to drop)... just train, and get comfortable shooting them... preferably at rapid speeds. be prepared to shoot at moving targets, as well.
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kyallroad |
18. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 3:51 PM EDT
Shotgun slug ammo is highly underrated IMO. My 20 ga remmington 1100 fires a 2 3/4" shell the slug is 3/4 oz of lead going 1600 fps. More than double the energy of the hottest .44 magnum round out there and a lot cheaper to boot. The sights of most shotguns limit your range to 100 yards but thats pretty far for self defense.On the topic of the 10/22, I like it it's a good gun, reliable, fun to shoot, accurate, and cheap. An excellent practice/small game gun and if it's the only gun available it beats o rock every time. Do you find this valuable? |
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BaTuuta |
19. RE: is the ruger 10/22 enough?
Aug 5 2009, 4:34 PM EDT
good points, kyallroad. not only are slugs more far powerful than handgun loads, it's a lot easier to shoot quickly and accurately from the shoulder than it is to fire a high-powered handgun.
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