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timberrattler
timberrattler
The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 7:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 7:07 AM EDT
This is my plan for someone who isn't interested in building a fortress or leaving their community to become a wondering nomad.

I'm baseing my plan on a little survivor who is at the bottom of the food chain. The cottontailed rabbit.

I've hunted and observed this particular species for years and years. They are a survivor for many reasons some of them being their keen sense of hearing, their ability to re-populate quickly and their speed in thick cover. Those are all valuable tools but the thing I've observed most is they never really leave home. A cottontail will run from you but in a circle he always makes his way back to where he started. Along the way he could loose the hounds by simply hopping off the trail or by holeing up in a groundhog hole. The old smart ones would backtrail then jump to the side and the hounds would run right past them still following their scent.

What I would do post Z is follow the lowly rabbits lead and mimic his movements and tactics. If old uncle Z comes knocking on my door just leave. They aren't interested in anything there but you and if you leave they have no reason to stay. Circle around loosing them somewhere along the way and return to find your home intact. Use a rabbits tactics of darting to the side and waiting for you to pass while remaining perfectly still. Unless zeds have some magical sixth sense you could find ways to camoflauge yourself and remain hidden.

You could accomplish all of these things without firing a shot and a bug out bag would be unneccesary if you planned ahead and had stashes of food and water along your escape route. Being bogged down with a fifty lb. pack and three guns would be a hinderence to this plan. A handgun on your hip would be enough if all else failed. I welcome comments and critisims.
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ironhand
ironhand
1. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 8:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 8:32 AM EDT
Sound advise : )

Funny how something so simple as a Rabbit can teach you what you really need to know to survive.

Good post!
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
2. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 9:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 9:17 AM EDT
"This is my plan for someone who isn't interested in building a fortress or leaving their community to become a wondering nomad.

I'm baseing my plan on a little survivor who is at the bottom of the food chain. The cottontailed rabbit.

I've hunted and observed this particular species for years and years. They are a survivor for many reasons some of them being their keen sense of hearing, their ability to re-populate quickly and their speed in thick cover. Those are all valuable tools but the thing I've observed most is they never really leave home. A cottontail will run from you but in a circle he always makes his way back to where he started. Along the way he could loose the hounds by simply hopping off the trail or by holeing up in a groundhog hole. The old smart ones would backtrail then jump to the side and the hounds would run right past them still following their scent.

What I would do post Z is follow the lowly rabbits lead and mimic his movements and tactics. If old uncle Z comes knocking on my door just leave. They aren't interested in anything there but you and if you leave they have no reason to stay. Circle around loosing them somewhere along the way and return to find your home intact. Use a rabbits tactics of darting to the side and waiting for you to pass while remaining perfectly still. Unless zeds have some magical sixth sense you could find ways to camoflauge yourself and remain hidden.

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One of the best ways to bag a cottentail if you do not have dogs to chase them is just to fan out like your Pheasant hunting. So if your route is compramised where will you go then? If have no clear escape route. Concealment might work, however if a Z has a powerful sense of smell or hearing he could still pick you out, just like a Fox or a Coyote. The Rabbit's strength is the ability to breed quickly and replace its numbers, so Mr. Timber your going to need about 8 extra wives..:)
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
3. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 9:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 9:51 AM EDT
A good idea if you are trying to lose one or two. But a general rule is to never run somewhere without knowing where you are going. Even if your intention is to circle back, if you find yourself cut off from home because the numbers are too large, you need a backup BOL.

Don't forget the travel time of a Shambling zombie is estimated to be 16 miles a day. So if you set off at dawn, and need to return by sunset, that's a window of 7h 50m (shortest day, worst case) to get the zombie moving away from the house, and then lose him, double back and get in before you can't see anything.

But in 7h 50m, the zombie will only have travelled 28,200 feet. 5.34 miles. To my mind, that close enough for a moan from a new zombie at your house to Chain and bring them back.

If you are going to stay put, a more efficient use of your time is going to be killing the errant zombies that arrive at your door. If you insist on being a travelling nomad, there is no point in circling back, since you don't have a base to circle back to. Just keep on moving forwards.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
4. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 9:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 9:55 AM EDT
"One of the best ways to bag a cottentail if you do not have dogs to chase them is just to fan out like your Pheasant hunting. So if your route is compramised where will you go then? If have no clear escape route. Concealment might work, however if a Z has a powerful sense of smell or hearing he could still pick you out, just like a Fox or a Coyote. The Rabbit's strength is the ability to breed quickly and replace its numbers, so Mr. Timber your going to need about 8 extra wives..:)"
How about eight extra escape routes instead? I've considered a zombie's senses and don't really believe there is any reason to believe they are any better than ours. A fox or coyote has a sense of smell much greater than ours. You can use the direction of the wind in your favor as well. I've seen bird dogs I knew had a damn good nose run right past a covey of quail because they were on the wrong side of a fencerow. Unless there is something magical about zombies I can't think of a scientific reason why there sense of smell would be better than a K9's.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
5. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 10:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 10:12 AM EDT
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If you are going to stay put, a more efficient use of your time is going to be killing the errant zombies that arrive at your door. If you insist on being a travelling nomad, there is no point in circling back, since you don't have a base to circle back to. Just keep on moving forwards."
Now just why in the world would I want a big pile of dead zombies littering my yard? The point in circling back is returning to my water well and my shelter. This is where I grew up, I haven't lived anywhere else. The hours I've spent since my childhood transversing the county I know and love are invaluable as far as survival. If I went somewhere that I wasn't familiar with I'd consider myself at an extreme disadvantage.

Also I wouldn't waste my time with this if it was just two zombies. A couple swings of a ditch bank blade would take care of that but I would lead them a little ways off before I did the deed. Like I said I'm not interested in decorating my yard with corpses. Wouldn't that kind of draw attention too?
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
6. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 10:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 10:23 AM EDT
"How about eight extra escape routes instead? I've considered a zombie's senses and don't really believe there is any reason to believe they are any better than ours. A fox or coyote has a sense of smell much greater than ours. You can use the direction of the wind in your favor as well. I've seen bird dogs I knew had a damn good nose run right past a covey of quail because they were on the wrong side of a fencerow. Unless there is something magical about zombies I can't think of a scientific reason why there sense of smell would be better than a K9's."
I think the 8 extra routes would be good, but do you have enough supplies to put caches for each route? I think 3 would be a bit easier to handle at first. You can use the wind however you can not control it either. One minute it may work for you, the next it might not. The human sense of smell is not great compared to other creatures but if something is close enough to you it still has a chance of picking you up.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
7. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 10:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 10:37 AM EDT
"I think the 8 extra routes would be good, but do you have enough supplies to put caches for each route? I think 3 would be a bit easier to handle at first. You can use the wind however you can not control it either. One minute it may work for you, the next it might not. The human sense of smell is not great compared to other creatures but if something is close enough to you it still has a chance of picking you up. "
A hidden cache of food and water would consist of a bottle of water and a vaccum packed package of walnuts and prunes packed in a coffee can. You could hide lots of little packs like this here and there. I don't plan on being gone longer than a day or two.

The best plans can fall apart thats why the ability to improvise and adapt are so important.
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MajorDamage
8. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 10:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 10:45 AM EDT
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. Like I said I'm not interested in decorating my yard with corpses. Wouldn't that kind of draw attention too?"
Oh, and now you are a Exterior Decorator Critic too?
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
9. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 10:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 10:58 AM EDT
I think it could work well. The best plans, in my opinion, are the simplest, and most flexible to change.

This plan meets both criteria.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
10. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:11 AM EDT
"Now just why in the world would I want a big pile of dead zombies littering my yard? ..... Like I said I'm not interested in decorating my yard with corpses. Wouldn't that kind of draw attention too?"
Policing the corpses is going to be a neccesary risk, but I would rather kill zombies from a safe, fortified location, then load the corpses into a wheelbarrow for removal to a different site. If you walk them out, that will take time, and in a survivalist scenario, you need to spend most of it on growing and preparing food.

If you need to get them a mile away, then that's 88 minutes of luring them far enough away before you kill them. Or, a shot to the head, load them up, and you can wheel them out to dump them.

Depending on the infection, you might even want to bury them in your soil. If the infection dies with the host, then you just had yourself an 180lbs bag of fertiliser, delivered fresh, right to your door.
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
11. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:21 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:21 AM EDT
"A hidden cache of food and water would consist of a bottle of water and a vaccum packed package of walnuts and prunes packed in a coffee can. You could hide lots of little packs like this here and there. I don't plan on being gone longer than a day or two.

The best plans can fall apart thats why the ability to improvise and adapt are so important."
Sounds good Mr. Timber although I might go for something else besides prunes just because I am a nancy. I fancy granola bars. How big of an area would your escape route consist of if I may ask?
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
12. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:31 AM EDT
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Depending on the infection, you might even want to bury them in your soil. If the infection dies with the host, then you just had yourself an 180lbs bag of fertiliser, delivered fresh, right to your door. "
I wouldn't recommend that, it could leech into your water supply.
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ironhand
ironhand
13. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:40 AM EDT
"I wouldn't recommend that, it could leech into your water supply. "
yeah, I'd worry about that too.

I'm thinking fire for disposal is best way. Of course, that can be an issue too.

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ironhand
ironhand
14. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:42 AM EDT
"How about eight extra escape routes instead? I've considered a zombie's senses and don't really believe there is any reason to believe they are any better than ours. A fox or coyote has a sense of smell much greater than ours. You can use the direction of the wind in your favor as well. I've seen bird dogs I knew had a damn good nose run right past a covey of quail because they were on the wrong side of a fencerow. Unless there is something magical about zombies I can't think of a scientific reason why there sense of smell would be better than a K9's."
oh, I think this could and should be an ever expanding plan.

I'm wondering if you are in an area that you could tie into drainage tunnels and such, that might give you a real maze underground for escape.

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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:45 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:45 AM EDT
"I wouldn't recommend that, it could leech into your water supply. "
That's why I said depending on the infection.

Some viruses only last an hour inside a dead host, which means by the time decomposition is underway, they have already been stripped down to components. Perfectly harmless.

Parasites, again tend to die with the host (at least in humans) although this can take longer. But still, decomposition will take care of that, no issue.

Bacteria are more hardy, but also tend to die with the body. They last a lot longer, and some can live in the soil, so ti would depend on the specific type.

For each of these types, burning the body can increase the destruction rate, at the expense of some nutrients.

Prions, on the other hand, seem to be almost indestructible. Bury the corpse, and 50 years later, dig it up. The prions will still be there.

If the infection dies with the host, then you can use the body as fertiliser. If not, then killing them from your base, and moving the body is sitll quicker than luring them away before killing them.

Time will be the most precious resource you have when it comes to surviving. You will need to put it all into food production.
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
16. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 11:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:47 AM EDT
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If the infection dies with the host, then you can use the body as fertiliser. If not, then killing them from your base, and moving the body is sitll quicker than luring them away before killing them."
Umm......


If the infection died with the host, there wouldn't be any zombies.....
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
17. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 12:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 12:00 PM EDT
"Umm......


If the infection died with the host, there wouldn't be any zombies....."
Pedant :)

See any of my ""Dead" for a given value of dead" rants.

In this case, I mean that the infection dies when the zombie's brain is damaged/destroyed so as to cease all ambulatory and cognitive processes.

So when a zombie stops moving because you shot it in the head, then it is truly dead. Before that, a zombie is undead/differently alive/reanimated etc.

Clear?
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timberrattler
timberrattler
18. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 12:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 12:04 PM EDT
"Sounds good Mr. Timber although I might go for something else besides prunes just because I am a nancy. I fancy granola bars. How big of an area would your escape route consist of if I may ask?"
It would depend entirely on how many and if there were more than a single group in the area.

This plan is flexable in more ways than one. I have horses as well as a UTV. If I chose to "go rabbit" mounted I could carry supplies as well as long guns. That would eliminate to a certain extent my abilities at stealth but totally allow for counter attacks. Think Mongolian tactics. Either way my path takes me I'll always be looking to return home and if not my home a home in my community.

Before everyone jumps on me and points out that my horses are dead if I leave them. On my way out I'd let them out of thier stalls. No matter how far they run from zeds they'll be just like me when things cool down they'll return too.

I use a combination of prunes and walnuts because there are walnut trees on our farm as well as plums. Dry plums and you get prunes. The combination of the two gives you fiber, protein, fat and both are nutrient rich. Its what I always carry on camping trips.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
19. RE: The Eastern Cottontail Rabbit Defense Plan.
Aug 22 2009, 12:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 12:14 PM EDT
"oh, I think this could and should be an ever expanding plan.

I'm wondering if you are in an area that you could tie into drainage tunnels and such, that might give you a real maze underground for escape.

"
Lots of drudge ditches and lots of culverts and bridges. Farm ground with pockets of woods and sandy ground that diggs easy. A creek that I could swing across when I was a teenager. I don't know if I could do that now. If I was mounted I know I could cross as long as my horse wasn't blown out. Are shamblers good swimmers?
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