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unmek93
unmek93
cross bow
Aug 22 2009, 11:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:14 AM EDT
I Would use a cross bow quiet but very lethal and you wont alert the hundreds of other zombie's Do you find this valuable?    
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kyallroad
kyallroad
1. RE: cross bow
Aug 22 2009, 11:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:19 AM EDT
Quiet is not to be confused with silent. Crossbows do make noise.

Reloading is an issue, it takes time to ready a crossbow for your next shot.

Ammo, or bolts to be precise. Expensive now, unlikely to be recovered intact from a skull, and very difficult to fabricate yourself. They are not just pointy sticks.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
2. RE: cross bow
Aug 22 2009, 11:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2009, 11:27 AM EDT
Welcome to ZSDW unmek93. Look around and check out some of the threads involving archery as an option. It has its pros and cons. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Birdman44
Birdman44
3. RE: cross bow
Aug 23 2009, 12:31 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2009, 12:31 AM EDT
"Quiet is not to be confused with silent. Crossbows do make noise.

Reloading is an issue, it takes time to ready a crossbow for your next shot.

Ammo, or bolts to be precise. Expensive now, unlikely to be recovered intact from a skull, and very difficult to fabricate yourself. They are not just pointy sticks."
kyallroad has some very important points. And as much as I am being against archery for zombie protection, I am starting to find that crossbows are now wildly popular here in Jersey since we just had a law pass where anyone can hunt with a crossbow. These things are flying off the shelves so I wouldn't be surprised if you could find many bolts laying around houses to use after the initial outbreak.
P.s. Stick with a gun.
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womule2005
womule2005
4. RE: cross bow
Aug 23 2009, 12:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2009, 12:35 AM EDT
crossbow isnt your all around zombie killer. the only place it is really useful is when you are stalking around a building, house, ect. and you want to make a quiet get-away. also its only good if you only plan on one shot. like it has been said above, reloading is a bitch compared to firearms Do you find this valuable?    
Akerris
Akerris
5. RE: cross bow
Aug 23 2009, 8:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2009, 8:40 AM EDT
"crossbow isnt your all around zombie killer. the only place it is really useful is when you are stalking around a building, house, ect. and you want to make a quiet get-away. also its only good if you only plan on one shot. like it has been said above, reloading is a bitch compared to firearms"
Crossbows are a great weapon, but not in a firefight. Most will take you 10-20 seconds to reload a single shot. Crossbows, like any slow firing weapon, need backup or fortification if they're going to be an effective weapon.
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womule2005
womule2005
6. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 7:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 7:15 PM EDT
"Crossbows are a great weapon, but not in a firefight. Most will take you 10-20 seconds to reload a single shot. Crossbows, like any slow firing weapon, need backup or fortification if they're going to be an effective weapon."
like i said, the only place it is useful is when you are stalking around a building and only have one zed in your way. Because you want to stay quiet and remain unnoticed. Crossbows failed as a fighting weapons around the 16th century when rifles started to become popular
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Thorn_of_kabolis
Thorn_of_kabolis
7. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 7:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 7:21 PM EDT
ive been playing with my brothers rossbow and ive learned that the strings havea tendancy to break if you dont put some kind of grease on them, and when i was drawing the string it realy felt like it was just going to snap in my hands.

so im opposed to crossbows just because i dont like the way they feel, like 150 pounds of pressure on that little string just isnt comforting to but my face near.

but quiet, ok its good there but more than one and your better off stabbing it with the bolt more than trying to reload it
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Akerris
Akerris
8. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 7:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 7:40 PM EDT
"like i said, the only place it is useful is when you are stalking around a building and only have one zed in your way. Because you want to stay quiet and remain unnoticed. Crossbows failed as a fighting weapons around the 16th century when rifles started to become popular"
Crossbows didn't 'fail'. They were in use up to the 17th century. Muskets were in use in the 16th century, rifles were mostly a late 18th/19th century phenomena. Powder weapons were less accurate but more powerful, and with armor technology at its peak in the early 17th century, muskets were necessary to breach the thick breastplates of the day.

Saying the crossbow 'failed' is like saying the M1 Garand failed.
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womule2005
womule2005
9. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 7:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 7:46 PM EDT
"Crossbows didn't 'fail'. They were in use up to the 17th century. Muskets were in use in the 16th century, rifles were mostly a late 18th/19th century phenomena. Powder weapons were less accurate but more powerful, and with armor technology at its peak in the early 17th century, muskets were necessary to breach the thick breastplates of the day.

Saying the crossbow 'failed' is like saying the M1 Garand failed."
it failed because they invented better weapons. the M1 garand is still a very useful weapon, and many servicemen who used them will say that they are a better weapon than the current M16. the military switched to the M16, not because its a better weapon but because of force multiplication, and the whole NATO thing.

the M1 garand never fell into the FAIL box.
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Akerris
Akerris
10. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 9:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 9:22 PM EDT
"it failed because they invented better weapons. the M1 garand is still a very useful weapon, and many servicemen who used them will say that they are a better weapon than the current M16. the military switched to the M16, not because its a better weapon but because of force multiplication, and the whole NATO thing.

the M1 garand never fell into the FAIL box."
I'm still not convinced that crossbows are a failure. For a weapon that was in military use for 2000 years, calling it a failure is a gross misjudgment of the crossbow's effect on history.

Empires were built on the crossbow! Just because the weapon was phased out after 2000 years of piercing the most advance armor, being one of the most effective defensive siege weapons ever, and being one of the most user-friendly weapons in history doesn't give you the authority to deem it a failure.

Your lack of respect for one of the most dynamic weapons ever shows you don't have the necessary knowledge or mindset to critique any weapon made prior to 1800.
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kyallroad
kyallroad
11. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 11:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 11:25 PM EDT
Definitely not a failure. Obsolete. World of difference. If the crossbow was my only choice I would take it in a heartbeat but to willingly choose an obsolete weapon system is akin hitching up a horse and buggy every day to get to work, sure it works but a car is superior in every measurable way (hear that Amish people?) Oh wait, no Amish on the 'net :) Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
12. RE: cross bow
Aug 24 2009, 11:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 24 2009, 11:34 PM EDT
I've never used a Crossbow OR a Bow-&-Arrow set aside from the Nerf stuff I had as a kid.

Whatever... go ahead & laugh.

Here's my question (Since this thread won't die):

Would you prefer a Crossbow, or one of those rippin' composite Bow-&-Arrow sets? To me, it would seem to be easier to use the composite bow-&-arrow set Vs. a Crossbow.
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Birdman44
Birdman44
13. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 12:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 12:46 AM EDT
Crossbow no doubt, bows are much harder to use. They are essentially personalized bows now ones draw length may not be long enough or may be too long to fit your arms. It's not really a pick up and shoot weapon. Crossbows operate on a simpler level than a bow when shooting, and are easier to be able to fire accurately better than a bow. Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
14. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 5:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 5:04 AM EDT
"Crossbow no doubt, bows are much harder to use. They are essentially personalized bows now ones draw length may not be long enough or may be too long to fit your arms. It's not really a pick up and shoot weapon. Crossbows operate on a simpler level than a bow when shooting, and are easier to be able to fire accurately better than a bow."
So for newcomers to the idea of Crossbow's Vs. Bow & Arrow: do you think it's best for a newcomer to the idea that Crossbows are better?
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Akerris
Akerris
15. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 5:36 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 5:36 AM EDT
"So for newcomers to the idea of Crossbow's Vs. Bow & Arrow: do you think it's best for a newcomer to the idea that Crossbows are better?"
Crossbows are definitely better for novices. Bows take a lot of upper body strength and practice whereas a crossbow can be used by anyone able to knock the string.

Interesting thought, crossbows can be used to fire other projectiles.
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Akerris
Akerris
16. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 5:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 5:37 AM EDT
"Definitely not a failure. Obsolete. World of difference. If the crossbow was my only choice I would take it in a heartbeat but to willingly choose an obsolete weapon system is akin hitching up a horse and buggy every day to get to work, sure it works but a car is superior in every measurable way (hear that Amish people?) Oh wait, no Amish on the 'net :)"
Ah, but when there's no gas about that horse and buggy is going to look pretty sweet.
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ironhand
ironhand
17. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 6:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 6:37 AM EDT
"I've never used a Crossbow OR a Bow-&-Arrow set aside from the Nerf stuff I had as a kid.

Whatever... go ahead & laugh.

Here's my question (Since this thread won't die):

Would you prefer a Crossbow, or one of those rippin' composite Bow-&-Arrow sets? To me, it would seem to be easier to use the composite bow-&-arrow set Vs. a Crossbow."
The crossbow is easier to learn use with less practice, but a bow is MUCH faster.

I have both and have shot them for years. I prefer the recurve models of both of them for simplicity.

Bows require many years of practice to be "tactically" effective. Effective in that if given a fixed position, I could get off several arrows before closing in CQC - not that it would ever replace a firearm. Bows also require less maintenance to the weapon itself vs a crossbow.

Crossbows are better at short range for power, but at longer ranges - the bow wins hands down.

The mechanics of firing and reloading favor a bow too. It is a much smoother and flowing operation. Which is why we had those famous North America Indian and Mongol horseman archers.
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Akerris
Akerris
18. RE: cross bow
Aug 25 2009, 12:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 25 2009, 12:10 PM EDT
"The crossbow is easier to learn use with less practice, but a bow is MUCH faster.

I have both and have shot them for years. I prefer the recurve models of both of them for simplicity.

Bows require many years of practice to be "tactically" effective. Effective in that if given a fixed position, I could get off several arrows before closing in CQC - not that it would ever replace a firearm. Bows also require less maintenance to the weapon itself vs a crossbow.

Crossbows are better at short range for power, but at longer ranges - the bow wins hands down.

The mechanics of firing and reloading favor a bow too. It is a much smoother and flowing operation. Which is why we had those famous North America Indian and Mongol horseman archers.
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Ironhand, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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