"sure its good to gather up supplies for z-day, but what are you going to do if when it comes you are nowhere near your gear. its one of the things that easily gets over looked. everyone should learn to make their own weapons even if its something as crude as a sharpened stick (wich most people can't do surprisingly)"

"There's a huge difference. You are more likely to find an improvised weapon than be able to fabricate one. This is one big reason melee combat should never be overlooked."

"low preassure pistol rounds are exelent for easy fabrication, even automatics can be made without any more machining than a couple dremel cuts a drill and some decent galvanized nuts n' bolts. "

"Several lengths of overhead transmission wire about three feet long duck taped together makes a dandy flail and since its not completely rigid you gain a lot of kinetic energy. Add a little weight to the end and you got some serious thumping power.

I fail to understand how you could make auto rounds out of nuts n' bolts. If he can explain himself I'm going to learn something today."

"I'm looking forward to that too.

I've seen shotgun "shells" made by using round brass stock, but can't say I've seen nut and bolts to ammo before, especially auto rounds.

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"again sorry for the confusion, the bolts are used in the actual gun not the ammo
and "Gravel Guns" are way to dangerous, water pipe wot take the preassure of any effective shotgun type unless you can find some old barrel for a 12 guage but then makeshift ammo is kinda usless."

"Actually I've made a gravel gun."

"I like lawn tools, there are lawn care trucks almost everywhere and tool handles are hardwood, likely better than say a broomstick made of poplar or pine (softwoods). Most houses have some kind of tool shed that can be quickly raided for an axe, pick handle, etc. If lucky you might even find a brush axe, a ready made weapon if ever there was one.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=99687-302-2316500.
I may go get one now that I'm thinking about it. Wicked."

"Nowadays "Best" and "American Made" don't really go together."