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possumblaster |
Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:27 PM EDT
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I did a search and found no other threads on this. Would it be possible to survive a bite if you apply a tourniquet?Let's say you get bit on your hand and escape. Could you apply a tourniquet, let's say above the elbow, (just to ensure that NONE of the virus is in the blood stream up there) and then amputate? If you applied the tourniquet properly would it stop the virus from traveling further? The new tourniquets can be applied in seconds so time wouldn't really be an issue. Do you find this valuable?
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Thorn_of_kabolis |
1. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:33 PM EDT
im not a tournicate expert but if the virus entered your arm throuh a bite wouldnt the next heart beat just spread it right there before the tournicate was on*i know i spelled it wrong i was to lazy to see how you spelled it Do you find this valuable? |
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StrykerPez |
2. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:39 PM EDT
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You better get the tourniquet on mighty quick, but I have often pondered the usefulness of amputating the offending limb to prevent infection. I could be wrong, maybe someone with more time on their hands can look it up (or if we have a doctor in the house) but I think that even if you got a major chunk taken out by an infected mouth, that the virus would not immediately be in your bloodstream. I think it would hang out in the bite for a while before it begins to get in... Do you find this valuable? |
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possumblaster |
3. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:39 PM EDT
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"im not a tournicate expert but if the virus entered your arm throuh a bite wouldnt the next heart beat just spread it right there before the tournicate was onHey don't feel bad, I just realized I mispelled "Possible"........... and tourniquet (in the OP, thanks for squaring me away Stryker).... I guess this just isn't my night ;) Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
4. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:51 PM EDT
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It depends how badly you were bitten, and how soon you apply the tourniquet. If the pathogen is not transmitted directly into the veins/arteries, then you theoretically have enough time to remove the limb before infection travels through the capilleries, provided you act quickly.But if you consider that during an attack, your heart rate will be dramatically increased. Faster heart means faster blood movement. Watch the medical videos where they inject a contrast material into the bloodstream: it moves faster than you might think, and typically a patient will be nervous, but lying down. You will be scared or angry, with adrenaline making your heart even faster. It is worth trying, because worst case scenario you will spend the rest of your short time as a one armed man, then become a one-armed zombie. But I wouldn't lop off a limb then declare anyone cured and leave them unattended with the rest of a group. Standard quarantine rules would have to apply. Do you find this valuable? |
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possumblaster |
5. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:54 PM EDT
"It depends how badly you were bitten, and how soon you apply the tourniquet. If the pathogen is not transmitted directly into the veins/arteries, then you theoretically have enough time to remove the limb before infection travels through the capilleries, provided you act quickly.I see. I was thinking if you were in combat, you could throw on the tourniquet if bitten, and then amputate later when you get to a safe area. What do you think of that scenario? Do you find this valuable? |
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Thorn_of_kabolis |
6. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 2:56 PM EDT
id just be worried that first they get bit, which sucks. then i cut off my best friends arm to save his life, that another shi-ty thing for him then hes in pain and armless for like lets say 30 minutes. after that he turn and then i kill him.that just sucks alot. thats like knocking someone out then kicking them in the nuts so it jurts when they wake up. its just not good Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
7. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 3:08 PM EDT
"I see. I was thinking if you were in combat, you could throw on the tourniquet if bitten, and then amputate later when you get to a safe area. What do you think of that scenario?"Like I said, it depends on how bad the bite is. But even if it is just a case of broken skin, I wouldn't rate your chances. Blood flow in capilleries is reckond to be at around 1-2 mm/minute. Veins and arteries is 435 cm/sec. You can see why getting a good average time for applying the tourniquet is difficult. If you apply the tourniquet correctly, zero blood will flow. So from there, you don't have to rush the amputation. You just need to apply it properly, and quick enough to stop the pathogen getting past the barrier. Defining the timescale for that will vary too greatly to say. But the quicker the better, although I can guarantee nothing. Do you find this valuable? |
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Thorn_of_kabolis |
8. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 3:13 PM EDT
thanks for that info. i dont know about you but im not choppin my arm off all wait till right before i turn then eat a bullet.man i knew blood moved fast but wow Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
9. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 3:15 PM EDT
"id just be worried that first they get bit, which sucks. then i cut off my best friends arm to save his life, that another shi-ty thing for him then hes in pain and armless for like lets say 30 minutes. after that he turn and then i kill him.Amputation is going to be better than death. The complications come from: a) cutting off the blood flow in time b) cutting off the limb cleanly, with one blow (**** that up, and the tourniquet wil be released, but the blood will flow through the non-severed portion.) c) staunching the blood flow from the now dismembered appendage. We have already discussed (a). For (b) you need to cut ABOVE the tourniquet, preferably at a joint. So if it is tied above the elbow, you are going to be cutting at the shoulder. Use a sharpened axe, and try and get it in one blow. If you have to use a saw, make sure you have spare blades, since it will likely snap when you reach bone. Finally, (c) cauterizing the wound. This is the part that will really cause the "doctor" concern. During the 1700's it was done with hot tar. For those who can improvise, a heated clothes iron, pressed firmly against the wound, will work. Afterwards disinfect the area with alcohol thoroughly, bandage and keep clean. Traumatic for all involved, with a high risk of both death to the patient, and infection to all those assisting. Not recommended for beginners. Do you find this valuable? |
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Thorn_of_kabolis |
10. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 3:17 PM EDT
wow.thats pretty much what i thought. thats pretty harsh. so ill keep my limbs. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
11. RE: Is this a possibile way to survive a Z bite?
Sep 10 2009, 3:19 PM EDT
"wow.Well you say that now... but should you ever get bitten and be around someone who is confident enough to try and save you, I think you might change your mind. Do you find this valuable? |