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timberrattler |
Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 11 2009, 6:00 PM EDT
OK my plan for making a bear trap is based on the Vietcong punji bear trap. This should be easy for anyone with novice skills with tools to make.What you'll need 1 eight foot 2x4, 1 eight foot 2x6, four door hinges or four pieces of sheet metal 1/8" thick, a hammer and nails or a screwdriver and screws. Now heres the hard one 24 serrated knife sections for a sickle bar mower or combine. Sharpened pieces of scrap metal cut into 3"x3" triangles could be used as a substitute. Some form of saw. A spade or shovel. First off cut the 2x6 down to 2 three foot lengths. Cut a 3' length of board from the 2x4. Lay the boards on the ground with the 2x4 in the middle and connect them with the hinges (or sheet metal). Attach the knife sections on the 3' outside edges of the trifold trap. Dig a shallow hole 1 1/2" deep the same size as the entire trap then dig a hole 4" wide and 12" deep in the middle of the origional hole. Drive some ring shank nails or screws through the 2x4 and lay your trap over the hole with the 2x4 section directly over the hole. Cover with dirt, leaves and twigs to camoflage. When a zed steps on the 2x4 he'll push it down into the hole with the 2x6s folding in and clamping down on his leg above his ankle digging into the dirt and making it almost imposible to pull out and if its wearing shoes the ring shank nails or screws will add to the holding power of the trap. The more he struggles the deeper into the hole he'll go. The serrerated blades will dig in tight and you can dispose of him with whatever weapon is handy. You'll probably have to cut his leg off to get him out. So what do you think? 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?
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StrykerPez |
1. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 11 2009, 6:02 PM EDT
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I think I read that too fast; it makes some sense but is still foggy. Any chance you could provide some illustration?EDIT: Nevermind, I re-read it and it makes sense now. Only pointer: I would use something wider than a 2x4 for the middle piece, to allow a larger surface to "spring" the trap. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
2. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 11 2009, 6:28 PM EDT
Hmm. Whilst the design seems solid, and I have no doubts as to the efficacy on wildlife and humans, I have a couple of concerns.A zombie will do everything to keep on going after you, including removing the leg. Whilst this trap will slow a zombie down to allow you to escape and/or dispatch him, you would need to act quickly in either circumstance. The other issue is that traps like this which activate regardless of the target can cause innocent people damage. Were you to leave one of these set, then leave the area for any reason, some other survivor might wander into it, and you have just decreased their chance of living. If you were able to have this manually activated, or to have it with some kind of time-delayed failsafe, I think it would be a lot better to have around your base. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
3. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 11 2009, 7:01 PM EDT
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StrykerPez,Noted and will try to find time to build an example and take a pic. When I make it I'll have to see if a 2x6 wouldn't be a better option. I considered it when I was planning this out but thought it might be easier to slip out of if the spring plate was too wide. PedroAsani, You are right this is a dangerous thing to have around and like a landmine it would not be discriminate on who or what it hurt. Against a human it would be fatal. With the serrerated blades digging in they'd bleed out quick and if they struggled it would make things worse. If zombies wouldn't be able to reason things out camoflage wouldn't be neccesary. Signs or spray painted circles around the trap would help but make the traps worthless against raiders. I admit a lot more thinking would have to go into making the traps viable around a camp. I do believe that this is cheaper than a factory manufactured trap and easy to improvise with common materials. I doubt theres a real bear trap within 200 miles of where I live. I'm not even sure they are legal anymore. Thanks for your input. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
4. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 7:52 AM EDT
Here is how I would use these.I would canabalize a house or outbuilding close to my base for lumber and supplies. I'd scrounge the serrerated knife sections from nearby farm equiptment junk piles (every farm has one). Combines need theirs changed every so often and we have them on our farm by the five gallon bucket-fulls. Then I'd get everyone together and we'd start building and digging holes. I'd place one every 6' in a circle around my base and place a steel T post between them and string some barbed wire. It will not in any way stop zombies completely but it would slow them down and allow for easier targets. Even if raiders know they are there it would make it harder for them to rush your defenses. For human targets a quick "fouling" of the knife sections and nails would make them deadly because of the bacteria that would enter the cut causing infection. The fact that they're rusty wouldn't hurt either. Stepping on one would be a death sentence for people. Do you find this valuable? |
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thebayouboy |
5. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 8:01 AM EDT
One word: awesome... saved in my memory bank.
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PedroAsani |
6. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 8:37 AM EDT
It's not just the intentional camoflauge that would obscure them from the unwary: snow, fallen leaves, rain and mud would all do their best to hide them.Think of WWZ, when they are reclaiming the US, and they complain about all the traps they stumble into. Really anything like a beartrap or a landmine, you would need to have it marked so it is obvious. That would mean Raiders are less likely to stumble into them, but you could still use them for area-denial. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
7. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 9:04 AM EDT
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"It's not just the intentional camoflauge that would obscure them from the unwary: snow, fallen leaves, rain and mud would all do their best to hide them.Exactally. I agree. Thats why I added the T posts and barbed wire. Placing "danger traps" signs on the posts would alert allies and give human attackers pause. Hostiles could disarm them but they'd have to do it under fire unless they managed to do it without the defenders noticing. Say under the cover of darkness. Either way I agree with you on the need to mark traps. Input from others is the best way to improve a plan. Do you find this valuable? |
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kyallroad |
8. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 9:32 AM EDT
Nicely vicious timber, I like it.I see traps as good for use in approaches to your sanctuary/fortress/strongpoint that get less use. By which I mean you wouldn't surround your property, a stout fence and gate would probably work well in the front, main approach. I would place traps back in the woods where raiders might be sneaking or a zed might be wandering. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
9. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 10:06 AM EDT
"Nicely vicious timber, I like it.Exactly what area-denial is best used for. Since I can almost guarantee that manpower guarding the perimeter will be insufficent at every base, things like this will be necessary. However, if you are going to use AOD tools, you need to make sure that they are only going to damage hostiles, not friendly or unwary forces. So far that has proven...difficult. The most reliable way is to have them only triggered manually. Don't forget that signs saying "Danger" are no good if they can't read Englsih, or in fact can't read (quite a possibility in a post-apocalyptic scenario.) You need to be extremely clear about the nature of the traps you put down. Do you find this valuable? |
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IrishHitman |
10. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 12 2009, 11:42 AM EDT
"So what do you think?"Ouch. Do you find this valuable? |
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ironhand |
11. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 9:44 AM EDT
"OK my plan for making a bear trap is based on the Vietcong punji bear trap. This should be easy for anyone with novice skills with tools to make.very interesting.... kinda like a "quicksand" type of trap. good work : ) Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
12. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 11:24 AM EDT
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"Exactly what area-denial is best used for. Since I can almost guarantee that manpower guarding the perimeter will be insufficent at every base, things like this will be necessary.If I set them for specifically to take out raiders I'd draw a circle with an X between the traps and put up a sign that says that traps were set under that marking. When raiders started running between the markings "SNAP" and then the cussing and cursing. Another trick to deter raiders would be a warning sign without the traps. With any luck they'd move on to easier targets. A sign that warned of a minefield might be as effective as a real minefield. Just not against zeds or the illiterate. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
13. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 5:19 PM EDT
"illeterate."Quoted for irony. :) Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
14. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 5:32 PM EDT
"If I set them for specifically to take out raiders I'd draw a circle with an X between the traps and put up a sign that says that traps were set under that marking. When raiders started running between the markings "SNAP" and then the cussing and cursing."This would lead to the kind of issues I raised earlier. You have moved from this location, leaving the traps set (driven out by zombies, or maybe crop failure) and some innocent survivor is looking for a place to stay for the night. They take the sign at face value, assuming the traps were for zombies and you didn't want to injure any humans. SNAP and they are suddenly at risk of bleeding to death. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
15. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 5:34 PM EDT
"Another trick to deter raiders would be a warning sign without the traps. With any luck they'd move on to easier targets. A sign that warned of a minefield might be as effective as a real minefield. Just not against zeds or the illiterate."Now this I approve of completely. At worst, survivors will believe the sign, and take a longer route or spend time clearing the area. Wasted time but not lives is acceptable. I would suggest using a warning sign and a few obvious traps, a few obviously concealed traps, and then plenty of patches of dug earth. You could deny a large area with only a few real traps and some spadework. Do you find this valuable? |
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inu-dude25 |
16. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 10:53 PM EDT
Timber, I like your idea. It's very gruesome, but certain to be effective against zombies if you're hunkered down.I have to say though, the title of this thread just screams of a redneck "hey watch this!" moment. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Freelancer47 |
17. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 11:32 PM EDT
"LOL! Now if we can use this to trap Bill O'Reilly & Keith Olbermann I think we have a tool to use against the zeds! Do you find this valuable? |
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inu-dude25 |
18. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 13 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
Yes, I think they should try it out on all of Fox News. They've single handedly made being Republican equivalent to being a psychotic cult-member.
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Freelancer47 |
19. RE: Improvised cheap ass bear trap.
Sep 14 2009, 2:48 AM EDT
"Yes, I think they should try it out on all of Fox News. They've single handedly made being Republican equivalent to being a psychotic cult-member."Yup... That channel does little for the Rep. Party IMHO. CNN & MSNBC need some revamping as well. I like Obama... but please PUHLEASE (!!) stop treating him like he's a savior of some sort. Do you find this valuable? |