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D.Munro |
Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 6:12 AM EDT
I've done some looking around on the internet but I can't find what would be the best weapon for an aggressive bear. Considering quite a few people from the cities plan to head off into the wilderness, myself included, what would the best weapon for a bear be? I'd say a .308 or .30-06 rifle(7.62x54r for the Russian surplus people like myself.) at least, but I know a guy who goes out with a 12 gauge pistol grip pump for his backpack shotgun. Any opinions or advice? Do you find this valuable? |
Freelancer47 |
1. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 6:15 AM EDT
Well, first off: don't run into bears!Second, the 7.62X54r ammo you are mentioning is pretty rare, I'd go for something to the effect of a 7mm Magnum. the 7mm Mag is more plentiful today then the 7.62X54r you were mentioning. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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D.Munro |
2. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 6:21 AM EDT
I'm kinda stocking up on the 7.62x54r to reload since it's 30 bucks for a box of 20 here. It's ridiculous how much it costs.Of course I don't plan to run into a bear but if you have to camp out for the night they might be attracted by the smell of your food if they've gotten used to eating garbage and such. Do you find this valuable? |
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Freelancer47 |
3. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 6:32 AM EDT
"I'm kinda stocking up on the 7.62x54r to reload since it's 30 bucks for a box of 20 here. It's ridiculous how much it costs.Wait... you CAN reload 7.62X54R???? I was told by many re-loaders that it's a dangerous round to reload.... have you done your research? Do you find this valuable? |
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D.Munro |
4. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 6:42 AM EDT
I don't see why it would be dangerous as long as you're not using a load that has too much pressure for the rifle and the brass is in good shape. I'm not too sure about reloading surplus ammo with corrosive primers but the stuff I'm buying is factory soft point ammo. It should be all good, just need to find the bullets for reloading.
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ViolentKisses |
5. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 9:24 AM EDT
x39 shoots a 125 grain bullet @~ 2400 fpsx54R shoots a 150 grain bullet @~2800 fps. With the x39 you going through drywall insolation and cinder block That being said I don't reccomend it use as home defense weapon you putting your family and neighbors at risk And I REALLY don't like the idea of activly going out looking for a bear to kill But if you do happen to all of the sudden relize your very close to a bear you don't even need a rifle a 38 snub or anything with a loud pop will send a bear running. But if worse really came to worse a 7.62x54 round is known as a bear killer in russia My weapon of choice in this catagory is the FNAR 7.62x51 More as a target shooter but also as a dominate sniper if Z Day was ever to happen xD Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
6. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 9:44 AM EDT
ViolentKisses is right, one shot into the air would send a bear packing. They aren't violent by nature and most of their diet consists of vegitation and fruit.If for some reason you believe bears would be a serious issue (which I seriously doubt) pack a cannister of bear mace so you can pick a more multi-purpose weapon. If your dead set on killin' ya some barrs get a Marlin 1895G or my personal favorite 1895GS in .45/.70 Gov. It will hit that bear so hard his mother's mother will feel it. With its open sights and a 18" barrel its a perfect brush gun. Don't let that meat go to waste either. A big no-no in my book. If you don't want to eat it don't shoot it. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MajorDamage |
7. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 9:55 AM EDT
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VK: wishing or expecting a bear to depart based on a loud noise is not a strategy for survival. Bears that will attack humans are interested in feeding or protecting turf and therefore will attack regardless (I think I may have posted a link recently about some stupid woman who fed bears repeatedly until they fed on her). There are numerous stories of hunters, campers and hikers attacked (unprovoked) and some had guns and made the loud noise (by missing) which didn't phase said "scaredy" bear into a detour. ALWAYS expect wildlife to treat you as PREY (which they do) and you won't be unpleasantly surprised. RE-assert top of the food chain status at every opportunity!!ANY gun is better than NOTHING. A .357 mag handgun can kill a bear (minimum in certain states w/proper loading) and so can a .44 Mag. BOTH generate a lot less power than a .308, 30-30, 30-06, 7mm, etc. Think about this: before modern understanding of ballistics, somehow our early American ancestors were dropping large animals w/muskets and muzzleloaders. It's all about bullet PLACEMENT. I don't reload ammo so I am not sure about 7.62x54 as a 'dangerous' round to reload. I do know that any round with a BERDAN primer is NOT meant to be reloaded. BOXER primed rounds (as in the US/Western world) are meant to be reloaded. Berdan primed rounds are the cheap commie way of making ammo. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ViolentKisses |
8. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 10:05 AM EDT
Oh have fun shelling out $1400 for the FNAR + the optics which is a bundle xDMabey a Remington would be cheaper but lol I like what I like what can I say? xD Do you find this valuable? |
Truno |
9. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 10:42 AM EDT
I've ran into bears a few times and for the most part they are shy and scurry off without me having to shoot at all. I think it's more or less presenting yourself in a dominating way, they'll sense that and run but having a gun to back you up helps. One time I was camping in the woods and I woke up to what sounded like kids playing outside of my tent so I peek outside and see a black bear across the stream. I grab my shotgun load a few bear killing slugs and some bird shot to try and scare it off but it ran as soon as I pump the gun and chamber a round. It didn't go to far I could still see it and I hear a strange whimpering noise close buy, so I look up a tree not more than 10 feet away and there are two black bear cubs up there. I try and tell them to come down and leave with their momma but they're so scared there shaking. So I put on my boots while keeping an eye on the mom in case she decides to charge and I leave to give the cubs some space. I stay alert listening as best I can because bears can move fast and quiet and they can be in front of you one moment swing around and be behind you the next. I don't go to far and when I come back to my camp the momma and cubs are gone and none of my stuff was gone through. I knew there were bears around before then because I saw their markings and I was camping right where a game tail and stream crossed. Some would say that's not smart but I'm not going to let the animals have all the good spots plus there's wildlife and big game all over Alaska no matter where you go.The bear was kind of scary but the time I was held down in my tent by a bull moose in rutting season was scarier. Do you find this valuable? |
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ViolentKisses |
10. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 5:49 PM EDT
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Exactly the bear is more likely to run than charge but mess with a moose thats hot to trot and your dead Thats such a cool story btw I wanna have a experiance that cool. My teacher had a hiking story of him and his daughter in yellowstone and they almost ran into a bear that just silently appeared right infront of them. They waited a bit and the bear simply looked at them before leaving the trail and heading back into the woods. They were quickly rushed by some swedish couple asking OMG was that a bear!!? He said"yeah" he sees them all the time out there, and the swedish man took off into the woods after the bear with his camera xD They were near the parking lot at end of the trail were their car was parked and went to get a bite to eat. Were driving back over and hour and a half later and the swedish women was still waiting for her husband in that parking lot. They checked the news papers for a few days seeing if that guy did get eatten by a bear or got lost but nothing was said about it :) Anyone else got a bear story? Do you find this valuable? |
nate121 |
11. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 7:29 PM EDT
Bear spray it's like peper spray but worse it's only one time use howeverhttp://www.udap.com/ and for a handgun round i've heard good things about a .44 mag with hollow point rounds (but they KICK) Do you find this valuable? |
LWJ2009 |
12. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 7:39 PM EDT
"x39 shoots a 125 grain bullet @~ 2400 fpsUnless of course it is a sow with cubs, then she might come running after you. Not all bears are going to be the more timid Black bear. Do you find this valuable? |
kinelta |
13. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 19 2009, 7:48 PM EDT
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"I've done some looking around on the internet but I can't find what would be the best weapon for an aggressive bear. Considering quite a few people from the cities plan to head off into the wilderness, myself included, what would the best weapon for a bear be?I don't know anything about weapons to use to fend off bears, but my advice would be to try to avoid the animals at all costs, unless you are trying to hunt them (good source of protein and fat which are musts for surviving in the wild). Here's a link on bear safety, which might or might not help. http://usparks.about.com/cs/natlparkbasics/a/beartips.htm# Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
14. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 2:28 AM EDT
"I remember reading an article in the newspaper about a tourist at Yellowstone who placed jelly on his arm in the hopes of getting a picture of a bear licking his arm. After chasing off several bears who wanted no part in his jelly licking experiment he finally met his match and was mauled to death. Gotta love natural selection. Do you find this valuable? |
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LWJ2009 |
15. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 9:47 AM EDT
"I remember reading an article in the newspaper about a tourist at Yellowstone who placed jelly on his arm in the hopes of getting a picture of a bear licking his arm. After chasing off several bears who wanted no part in his jelly licking experiment he finally met his match and was mauled to death. Gotta love natural selection."Try watching the retarded Japanese tourist, walk up to a buffalo and try to pet it. I was hoping she would have been gored and trampled on. I have no great bear stories from Yellowstone and the only time I was in real danger was due of course, to a damn buffalo. Do you find this valuable? |
Akerris |
16. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 9:52 AM EDT
I'm not sure I could recommend a good firearm to fend off bears, but as far as melee weapons are concerned a spear would be your best bet, especially if it has a cross guard.
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MajorDamage |
17. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 10:04 AM EDT
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Good morning bear huggers. As if God himself heard my plea for a story, in the mail came my Oct 2009 issue of America's 1st Freedom (NRA magazine) and on page 12 under "Armed Citizen" we have:"It's been a while since Everett Skinner has been hunting, but he's always kept a shotgun handy to protect his family. In this case, I'm glad I did, he said, recalling a recent incident in which a bear tore through a screen and climbed inside his Oregon home. His daughter, Nicole, was the first to hear the bear and she rushed to her parents' room for help. Her father grabbed his shotgun. Skinner says he and the bear saw one another simultaneously. The bear stood up and headed toward Skinner, so he fired. It didn't even faze him, Skinner recalls. He fired three more rounds, dispatching the bear. We were very blessed that this didn't go badly, Nicole said. (Associated Press, 07/29/09) Oh, and as for bear sprays, they tend to be 'people seasoning' from time to time. :-) If a bear attacks you in the woods, and nobody knows about it, does that count? Just like shark attack victims that don't survive (or crocodile or anything that eats people), if no body is found and no one witnesses the event, isn't the person just listed as 'missing?' 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
kyallroad |
18. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 11:23 AM EDT
Q: how to outrun a bear?A: impossible, I only have to outrun you! Black bears are pretty unlikely to be an issue, they tend to move the other way and avoid conflict. Grizzlies on the other hand can and will nosh on the occasional human hors d'vors. The best defense weapon would be whatever you have, bear encounters are rare unless you are in the Alaskan wilderness, so spend your preparation time/money/effort on something you are more likely to encounter during post apocalyptic days (feral dogs perhaps?) Do you find this valuable? |
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MajorDamage |
19. RE: Which is best for bear during rural escape?
Sep 20 2009, 11:31 AM EDT
Name, age, gender Date Species Location, comments Donna Munson, 74, female August 6, 2009 Black Ouray, Colorado. Munson had been feeding bears for ten years, though repeatedly warned by wildlife officials. A small bear was wounded in a fight with a larger bear. Munson had been feeding the smaller bear. A larger, older bear came up to her house, where she had enclosed the back porch with a wire fence. She was attempting to scare away the older bear, when it clubbed her through the screened porch, dragged her off, and killed her. Wildlife officials ended up killing two bears as a result of this incident.[1][2] Robert Wagner, 48, male September 2008 Brown Sundre area, Alberta. Wagner, 48, of Didsbury, didn't return from a hunting trip to the Sundre area. The medical examiner's office says (Mr Wagner) found near Sundre was mauled to death by a bear.[3] Cecile Lavoie, 70, female May 30, 2008 Black Near La Sarre, Quebec. Lavoie went on a solo fishing trip. After she didn't return to her cabin, her husband went looking for her. He found a bear dragging her body into the woods.[4] Stephen Miller, 39, male April 22, 2008 Brown Big Bear Lake, California. A famous bear trained to perform in movies unexpectedly turned on a handler, fatally biting him in the neck. Prior to the attack, the bear had been recently featured in the movie Semi-Pro. Pepper Spray was used to subdue the bear, and no further injuries were reported. The bear was a 7.5-foot (2.3 m) 700-pound (320 kg) 5 year old male named Rocky. He was being held in the "Predators in Action" animal training facility at the time of the incident. The bear's fate has yet to be determined.[5] 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
