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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
80. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 16 2009, 8:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 8:43 AM EDT
"Dirigibles are actually more stable in inclement weather. Their increased mass gives them more inertia than most planes. They can move large payloads effectivly and require relatively little upkeep.

However,
They are notoriously difficult to pilot.
The maintenance that they do need is highly specialized.
they require huge numbers of men to launch.
They require even larger numbers of people to build.

Think of it in a construction standpoint. The Hindenburg's envelopes had a circumference of 408 feet, and a length of 804 feet. Thats an outer area of 328032 sq feet. AND used 4 602ci Engines. Not to mention a slew of exotic metals.

Its just too difficult of an undertaking in a post apocalyptic scenario."
you know. when someone tell you they want to build a boat do you automatically assume they are going to build a aircraft carrier?
- The maintenance is not highly specialized because you built the dam thing. If you can build it you can repair it.
- could you specify what the people that handle the landing do? or do you just remember a black and white picture with a lot of people holding strings? that is also for landing. It is in its very nature of "lighter than air" that it will launch by itself if release it.
-have you read any of the stuff that I have been talking about because this was covered at least 2 pages ago?
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
81. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 16 2009, 12:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 12:02 PM EDT
"- could you specify what the people that handle the landing do? or do you just remember a black and white picture with a lot of people holding strings? that is also for landing. It is in its very nature of "lighter than air" that it will launch by itself if release it"
Those two statements alone show that you have spent no time whatsoever researching this subject. Historically, the most dangerous time for a dirigible is its launch. The process has to be highly coordinated by everyone present.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
82. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 16 2009, 1:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 1:13 PM EDT
"Those two statements alone show that you have spent no time whatsoever researching this subject. Historically, the most dangerous time for a dirigible is its launch. The process has to be highly coordinated by everyone present."
You know what? I asked a direct question and you keep giving me general statements that are worthless in problem solving.
I have made enough posts concerning this. contribute with something productive or **** off nay sayer.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
83. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 16 2009, 5:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 5:28 PM EDT
Don't get snooty with me just because you can't understand the concept of practicality. The Reason dirigibles aren't used anymore is because they are impractical. They have to built from very light, very strong materials. When zday hits are you going to procure all that Al and a few GMAW or GTAW machines with enough filler to weld the entire frame? Can you even weld AL? or the thousands of cubic feet of gas needed? Are you Going to construct the massive hanger needed to house it? Can you fly a zepplin? I sure as hell can't, i think maybe 15 people in the states know how to.
I'm sorry, cool idea trust me, i want to try to build one within my life time. But in a post apocalyptic scenario there is just too much involved in it.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
84. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 16 2009, 5:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 5:55 PM EDT
How about the two of you actually work together on this?

There is enough information on this thread to warrant beginning a page to deal with the logistics, practicalities and concerns of making an airship/dirigible/zeppelin, and whilst it might be a large undertaking, it is not impossible.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
85. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 5:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 5:37 AM EDT
"Don't get snooty with me just because you can't understand the concept of practicality. The Reason dirigibles aren't used anymore is because they are impractical. They have to built from very light, very strong materials. When zday hits are you going to procure all that Al and a few GMAW or GTAW machines with enough filler to weld the entire frame? Can you even weld AL? or the thousands of cubic feet of gas needed? Are you Going to construct the massive hanger needed to house it? Can you fly a zepplin? I sure as hell can't, i think maybe 15 people in the states know how to.
I'm sorry, cool idea trust me, i want to try to build one within my life time. But in a post apocalyptic scenario there is just too much involved in it."
look. This thread is about building a zeppelin and how you might do so. It is not a thread about how to not build a zeppelin. if you don't want to contribute with you deep well of knowledge you don't have to. but don't come here and make useless post. AND READ THE WHOLE THREAD! this is done. it has been discussed at length and I don't want to do it again with you!
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
86. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 5:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 5:41 AM EDT
"How about the two of you actually work together on this?

There is enough information on this thread to warrant beginning a page to deal with the logistics, practicalities and concerns of making an airship/dirigible/zeppelin, and whilst it might be a large undertaking, it is not impossible."
yeah I am going to start making some compilation in my Profile page soon. I don't want to start a Official thread quite yet as it is highly experimental.
I am contemplating just putting a "Fiction only"-disclaimer at the to get certain people to shut up about it.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
87. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 8:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 8:16 AM EDT
"yeah I am going to start making some compilation in my Profile page soon. I don't want to start a Official thread quite yet as it is highly experimental.
I am contemplating just putting a "Fiction only"-disclaimer at the to get certain people to shut up about it. "
Only you can edit your profile page. One of the reasons I made my plan pages separate from my profile is so that others could collaborate.

Don't tag anything as fiction unless it really is. You are writing about the practicalities from a real world perspective.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
88. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 12:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 12:30 PM EDT
"Only you can edit your profile page. One of the reasons I made my plan pages separate from my profile is so that others could collaborate.

Don't tag anything as fiction unless it really is. You are writing about the practicalities from a real world perspective."
Ok. you've been here a lot longer than I and if you agree it would be a good/fun page lets make one.
I will write a long disclaimer in the beginning tough. assume it is untested unless it is clearly stated to be so. because I don't really have the means to test any of these things.

Umm... where do I put it?
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
89. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 2:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 2:11 PM EDT
"Umm... where do I put it?"
If you have a plan page, add it to there. I'm doing the same with my Scavenging the Hospital page.

Until the site has been cleaned up, best to keep them as extensions of your own plan.

If you don't have a plan page, make one. What's taken you so long, dammit?
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Iamz0rs
Iamz0rs
90. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 2:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 2:36 PM EDT
Didin't some guy in the US fly like 5000 feet up in the air with a lawn chair and some ballons? >_>

My idea was that you would have some sort of combination between blimp and hot air ballon. You have a large number of helium/hydrogen gas ballons/containers, just a little less than it takes for the hotblimp (creative I know) to fly.


Then, you add a hotair ballon part, wich you use the traditional way, heat air and put in the ballon :P. This will make your ballon fly. I assume some sort of propeller or fan could give you the "small" thrust you need.


Now you can slowly soar around, free from all zombie trubbles, when you need to land, you can just empty the ballon (I guess with some sort of rope controlled hatch on the top) and it will slowly land.


I don't think it's a very efficent idea however, a small sharp edge, or raiders on the ground and you can end up stranded somewhere. Not to mention that any winds can turn a risky landing into a disaster.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
91. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 3:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 3:41 PM EDT
"Didin't some guy in the US fly like 5000 feet up in the air with a lawn chair and some ballons? >_>

My idea was that you would have some sort of combination between blimp and hot air ballon. You have a large number of helium/hydrogen gas ballons/containers, just a little less than it takes for the hotblimp (creative I know) to fly.


Then, you add a hotair ballon part, wich you use the traditional way, heat air and put in the ballon :P. This will make your ballon fly. I assume some sort of propeller or fan could give you the "small" thrust you need.


Now you can slowly soar around, free from all zombie trubbles, when you need to land, you can just empty the ballon (I guess with some sort of rope controlled hatch on the top) and it will slowly land.


I don't think it's a very efficent idea however, a small sharp edge, or raiders on the ground and you can end up stranded somewhere. Not to mention that any winds can turn a risky landing into a disaster."
yes. there was a a couple of guys who did this. the first one ended up in a commercial air path and was almost hit by a Boeing 707. the second one disappeared in the cloud and was found 3 weeks later as a floater somewhere. The thing I find most dangerous in the building is messing up the ballast part and shoot up in the stratosphere. some of the early inventors of hydrogen balloons did that and died from the cold and lack of oxygen before they managed to vent some of the gas.

Hot air balloons require open flame. open flame and hydrogen is a bad combination combination. Hot air balloons also have the problem that they deflate when landed and it would take lots of people to get it going again.

Sharp edge thing is not a problem unless you crash into something and then you are in deep **** anyway.

Raider is a obvious problem just like they are with any convoy and some clever solutions are needed.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
92. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Oct 17 2009, 3:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 4:56 PM EDT
"If you don't have a plan page, make one. What's taken you so long, dammit?"
I wrote mine in my profile since it wasn't useful to anyone but me due to being very specific.
I guess I can make it "public"

Edit:
ok I have created a sub page on my survival page concerning this. I named it Operation Goahead and the discussion will be continued in the attached thread:
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Operation%3A+Goahead
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MalcolmPerfidious
93. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 2:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 2:08 PM EDT
Since it is sad that so many people have no vision of things that could be, and do nothing but insert obstacles, "How would you fly it? How could you possibly...?"

Here is a gentleman who did exactly what you describe (minus the zombies).
http://www.swaviator.com/html/issueJF04/blimp.html
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Whybother08
Whybother08
94. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 2:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 2:23 PM EDT
"Since it is sad that so many people have no vision of things that could be, and do nothing but insert obstacles, "How would you fly it? How could you possibly...?"

Here is a gentleman who did exactly what you describe (minus the zombies).
http://www.swaviator.com/html/issueJF04/blimp.html"
Yehp. We are nothing but a bunch of pessimistic old farts who have no imagination.

/sarcasm

"Minus the zombies" is a key phrase. Unless you build it before somthing goes wrong, you aren't going to be free to have the parts and time needed to build it. Even past that, you would need a constant supply of helium.

/"insertobstacle"

EDIT: This thread is a year old, I meant to mention that before anything. This might be Killed.

/thread
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SterlingCooper
SterlingCooper
95. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 2:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 2:37 PM EDT
I don't mean to be a Negative Nancy, but if I saw a zeppelin a year or two after Z-Day, I would shoot it out of the sky out of pure jealousy. "If I can't have one, you can't have one" sort of thing. I assume a lot of people would have the same mentality. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
96. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 2:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 2:50 PM EDT
"I don't mean to be a Negative Nancy, but if I saw a zeppelin a year or two after Z-Day, I would shoot it out of the sky out of pure jealousy. "If I can't have one, you can't have one" sort of thing. I assume a lot of people would have the same mentality."
People like you are why people wish for a zombie apocalypse. Why be such a dick? Is it genetic?
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SterlingCooper
SterlingCooper
97. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 2:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 2:53 PM EDT
"People like you are why people wish for a zombie apocalypse. Why be such a dick? Is it genetic?"
Just playing Devil's advocate. I assume after struggling to survive for years after Z-Day, I will be on the verge of losing my mind and would probably be distraught by the idea that others are doing much better than I. Does that make me a dick today?
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agentaaa
agentaaa
98. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 3:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 3:40 PM EDT
"I don't mean to be a Negative Nancy, but if I saw a zeppelin a year or two after Z-Day, I would shoot it out of the sky out of pure jealousy. "If I can't have one, you can't have one" sort of thing. I assume a lot of people would have the same mentality."
As i remember, in world war 1, zeppelins took fire from infantrymen without being destroyed, due to the construction and highly pressurized gases. If I remember correctly, It took about 75% of the airframe to be destroyed before it would crash. of course, this was before incendiary rounds, and more powerful things, such as explosive rounds or fixed machine guns, brought it down very quickly. in any case, the point im making is a zeppelin is not a hot air ballooon, which breaks after a single shot. In any case, if you are gonna waste bullets to be a dick to other survivors, I'm guessing you are gonna be alone.
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SterlingCooper
SterlingCooper
99. RE: Building a zeppelin/blimp from scratch.
Aug 23 2010, 3:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 23 2010, 3:46 PM EDT
Firstly, you won't be able to make a zeppelin of the same quality as ones made by governments in World War 1. Secondly, even if I have a change of heart and let you sail over my head while I'm starving to death, others WILL NOT be so kind. Man is a jealous creature by nature. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
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