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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Sep 30 2009, 5:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 30 2009, 5:11 PM EDT
Now I would personally ignore all these regulations and assume that they are traps.
And I can see several of these that I simply wouldn't use. + for example. I probably wont need to draw that anywhere except my backpack. same goes for all the scavenge related marks.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
1. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Sep 30 2009, 5:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 30 2009, 5:15 PM EDT
I also realize that most of the threads below are about the same thing but they all seemed dead or derailed so I simply made a fresh one that is slightly more specific to see the general support. If you think its wrong feel free to ignore this. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

kratosan
2. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 12:33 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 12:33 AM EST
dude i really think this whould be useful if you were hunkering down in a city and wanted survivors to your location. granted it might be a trap but i think any one whould use caution in a Z-day situation Do you find this valuable?    
Troy_Redgrave
Troy_Redgrave
3. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 1:30 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 1:30 AM EST
If I had the supplies and time necessary to do this without undue risk upon myself, I'd certainly do this. What's the point in surviving if you lose your humanity in the process? Do you find this valuable?    
DevilNuts
DevilNuts
4. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 4:29 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 4:29 AM EST
" What's the point in surviving if you lose your humanity in the process?"
Humanity did not get to where it is today without teamwork, trust, empathy, compassion, benevolence and faith in the other man's benevolence.

If we weren't capable of getting along, we would still be hunting small animals with sharp sticks. The progress of humanity rests upon our ability to use the unparalleled social interoperability granted to us by millions of years of selective evolutionary traits. If you don't have those traits, you are going to go extinct, just like humankind's early evolutionary competitors.
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
5. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 5:05 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 5:05 AM EST
"Humanity did not get to where it is today without teamwork, trust, empathy, compassion, benevolence and faith in the other man's benevolence.

If we weren't capable of getting along, we would still be hunting small animals with sharp sticks. The progress of humanity rests upon our ability to use the unparalleled social interoperability granted to us by millions of years of selective evolutionary traits. If you don't have those traits, you are going to go extinct, just like humankind's early evolutionary competitors. "
Very true. I did not say anything about the importance of teamwork. I would surely seek contact with groups whenever I can and trade resources with them.
I would say that I am very trusting in many respects but this kind of system doesn't work now. If a person who owns a small shop were to leave a note at the register saying: "leave money here." and leave the store for a week he would find that the balance does not add up.
If this kind of honor system don't work when there is no danger of starving to death why would it work with zombies?
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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
6. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 5:32 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 5:32 AM EST
I'd use "a" system, though I don't like this one. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
7. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 10:45 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 10:45 AM EST
"I'd use "a" system, though I don't like this one."
Ditto. This one is nowhere near current widespread usage.

Morse Code, Semaphore, these are communication systems that EVERYONE will understand, whether they are a member of the site, or not.
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DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
8. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 11:16 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 11:16 AM EST
Even just writing what you are trying to say would work better, simply because everyone will understand it for the most part... Unless you've memorized this new system it won't help. Not everyone who survives will be a ZSDW member. Do you find this valuable?    

Bipp
9. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 1:32 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 1:32 PM EST
As dlow has posted just write it out with a paint and a brush, spray paint, paint pen, or marker. Most survivors won't know these codes.

Also why not mark items with codes that only you and your group understand. That way the information will be known to your people and no one else would grab up your supplies, vehicles, fuel, and know were you have taken the time to set up.

If you use a code known to your group you could avoid raiders from setting up ambushes and killing your people, and taking more of your resources.
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inu-dude25
inu-dude25
10. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 2:39 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 2:39 PM EST
All of the mentioned symbols would probably just be ignored nor misinterpreted. Spray painting an X on a building could be taken as the government having evacuated the building.

Same thing with a car. Going on that logic, I'd mark them all so when they're parked they appear to be non-functioning. And saying that if a person has a can of gas they should get your vehicle is strange. What if they take it and right after you find a supply of fuel?

Personally, if you're taking the time to mark anything at all, I'd use the aformentioned writing. I really wouldn't take them too seriously though, just for the fact that you don't know who wrote them. A "safe area" marker would be a great trap for weary survivors looking for a safe place to spend the night.
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Carnack
Carnack
11. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 2:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 2:57 PM EST
"Humanity did not get to where it is today without teamwork, trust, empathy, compassion, benevolence and faith in the other man's benevolence.

If we weren't capable of getting along, we would still be hunting small animals with sharp sticks. The progress of humanity rests upon our ability to use the unparalleled social interoperability granted to us by millions of years of selective evolutionary traits. If you don't have those traits, you are going to go extinct, just like humankind's early evolutionary competitors. "
I disagree there. Humanity realized that they got better hunting results when they worked together.

The same thing is true for today.
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Iamz0rs
Iamz0rs
12. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 3:41 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 3:41 PM EST
I feel kinda stupid. But why not just use the regular alphabet? Doesn't seam "that" much harder to write "broken" or just "brkn" or something on a car instead of some X symbol that people might not notice, or missunderstand.

Everyone (well almost) in most nations are able to understand english writing, and they are probably pretty acostumed to reading aswell, and are more likley to pick up letters than markings.

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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
13. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 4:24 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 4:24 PM EST
The problem I have is why would you leave supplies anywhere to chance? If I find any supplies I will collect it and keep it safe. tomorrow the area could be zombieville or the building a pile of rubble.
The affiliation signs are just useless because those suggests inherently good and evil people. bad people don't have a red circle around their feet and attack you on sight.
I don't see how this would be useful for me other than a indication that there is a survivor in the area that read this article.
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br5ooksrwally
br5ooksrwally
14. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 7:04 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 7:06 PM EST
"I'd use "a" system, though I don't like this one."
then lets make a better one then. it dose say on the page if you have sugestions please feel free to ask me,i did help make this
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 2 2009, 8:02 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2009, 8:02 PM EST
"then lets make a better one"
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Z-Day+Survivor+Signals+System

The flags are from the existing maritime signals, so anyone with a typical survivor codebook should have them.

The hazard symbols are also on there.

I will be adding semaphore and morse code when I can.
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livingdeadman
livingdeadman
16. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 3 2009, 3:09 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2009, 3:09 AM EST
"All of the mentioned symbols would probably just be ignored nor misinterpreted. Spray painting an X on a building could be taken as the government having evacuated the building.

Same thing with a car. Going on that logic, I'd mark them all so when they're parked they appear to be non-functioning. And saying that if a person has a can of gas they should get your vehicle is strange. What if they take it and right after you find a supply of fuel?

Personally, if you're taking the time to mark anything at all, I'd use the aformentioned writing. I really wouldn't take them too seriously though, just for the fact that you don't know who wrote them. A "safe area" marker would be a great trap for weary survivors looking for a safe place to spend the night."
I have to agree with this. If I saw a red x on a building I might take it to mean there were zombies trapped inside or food stored there or just about anything else. Forget about codes and flags. If you are going to mark something then mark it in plain English or forget it.

Your average Joe off the street isn't going to have a survival manual with him. He isn't going to know morse code and he isn't going to have the slightest idea what your flags mean.
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br5ooksrwally
br5ooksrwally
17. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 5 2009, 1:52 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 5 2009, 1:52 PM EST
"I have to agree with this. If I saw a red x on a building I might take it to mean there were zombies trapped inside or food stored there or just about anything else. Forget about codes and flags. If you are going to mark something then mark it in plain English or forget it.

Your average Joe off the street isn't going to have a survival manual with him. He isn't going to know morse code and he isn't going to have the slightest idea what your flags mean."
you guys are right im going to change the page to just say mark it in english
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Oakspar77777
18. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 6 2009, 12:37 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 6 2009, 12:37 PM EST
I think that when you are thinking of signs, gang symbols would be more applicable than anything else. After all, having you and your crew clearly mark your territory, letting scavangers know they will be shot on site, and telling wanderers where to go for trade will be far more important that working cars.

I know that if I wanted to be left alone, I would direct visitors to someplace far away from my compound - preferably someplace that I could occasionally scout from another safe place (again, far from my compound).

Giving people a place to go and be generally safe and fortified while I scout them out and choose to communicate with them or not would be ideal.

I'm thinking of a cell phone tower with a strong fence around it (typical chain link with barbed wire, but with a privacy fence around that, and a layer of aborivitae around that (put in cosmetically, it is a reasonable deterrent).

Put a note with a flag system (white for need assistance, green for trade, yellow for passing through, red for medical help, etc). I could see the flag when scouting (once a week or so). If there is a flag, I can send a non-con in with a walkie talkie while we watch to snipe from the treeline (if necessary).
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a-cat-ate-my-zombie
a-cat-ate-my-zombie
19. RE: How many would use this system?(be honest now)
Dec 6 2009, 4:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 6 2009, 4:57 PM EST
I agree with the idea of marking directions to the safehouse a la L4D, it's what I would do.
I don't think just writing things in English is neccessarily the way to go, though- especially in the city where I live, quite a lot of the Polish people for example don't speak English, so it would make more sense to have symbols. The trick is to have symbols with a single obvious meaning- red + sign for medical facilities, water drop for clean water supply, lightning bolt for power supply, bullseye for weapons, etc.
Some symbols I'd suggest: a smiley face for a safe house (cheesy I know, but it gets the message across), a stick figure with a red face for a high-zombie area, a white flag for survivors in need, etc.
If a building had a black X on it, I'd assume it to mean "stay out".
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