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PedroAsani |
You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:20 PM EDT
Here it is:A decommissioned WW2 aircraft carrier? What state is it currently in? And it being dismantled? What is the security like? Towing it: it will take 6 or 7 tugs to shift that ******. And tugs normally don't carry enough fuel to make it to Hawaii. Whilst I am an advocate of big plans, I can't back this one because of the logistics. You need to get 7 or 8 tugs, and a fuel carrier for them. If the carrier itself doesn't have engines, you will need even more. Tugs are short range workhorses. They may not survive the haul to Hawaii. Getting that much fuel during a disaster situation will be nigh on impossible. Unless you can knock over a refinery (oil tankers carry crude, not good for use as fuel) you will not be able to move it. Since your plan hinges on getting that thing 2,500 miles, you need to be damn sure how you do it. I suggest quite a bit more research. Do you find this valuable?
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nate121 |
1. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:30 PM EDT
pedro the carrier might have been preserved as a musam but still, there might be lead in the paint...
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Whybother08 |
2. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:34 PM EDT
If it was a museum, what "key supplies" would be there? The engine/powerplant is probably out, there would be no ammunition or guns on board, and the food would be limited to a tourist cafeteria.I don't know why somebody needs a useless floating super-structure to survive, anyway. Do you find this valuable? |
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nate121 |
3. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:36 PM EDT
not alot of supplies, and the cafe might not be on the boat
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deathseekrakodo |
4. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:39 PM EDT
if I were going to snag a large ship like that I'd go for a cruise liner lol luxury and survival huah
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PedroAsani |
5. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:52 PM EDT
"pedro the carrier might have been preserved as a musam but still, there might be lead in the paint..."If zombies are rising, I don't really care about lead paint. I'm not going to be licking the walls. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
6. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:55 PM EDT
"If it was a museum, what "key supplies" would be there? The engine/powerplant is probably out, there would be no ammunition or guns on board, and the food would be limited to a tourist cafeteria.Well Plague of the Dead does demonstrate that surviving on a ship is quite a viable, provided you keep quarantine tight as a ducks arse. There are plenty of other holes to poke in this, but I thought it would be good to get him to analyse it from the ground up one piece at a time. Do you find this valuable? |
Sofa.King.Cold |
7. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:55 PM EDT
"pedro the carrier might have been preserved as a musam but still, there might be lead in the paint..."You mean wall candy? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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nate121 |
8. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 3:57 PM EDT
yeah but if it's not fully restored the paint peels and the lead gets in the air... wich is badalso thats why i laugh at recalls "the toys paint had unsafe amount's of lead" i'm not going to lick said toy, now am i? Do you find this valuable? |
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Whybother08 |
9. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 4:00 PM EDT
"Well Plague of the Dead does demonstrate that surviving on a ship is quite a viable, provided you keep quarantine tight as a ducks arse.This is like the "build a zeppelin from scratch" thread. While it IS possible, the real question is WHY. Why do you really need a 90% deactivated aircraft carrier [to be pushed to fu.cking Hawaii to build a base there*] when you can survive in a house with some boarded-up windows? *By the way, volcanic eruptions would destroy his bases over and over again. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
10. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 4:00 PM EDT
"yeah but if it's not fully restored the paint peels and the lead gets in the air... wich is badAgain, worse than zombies? Whilst it might be unsafe on a regular day-to-day basis, when you compare it to zombies, bring on the paint! Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
12. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 2 2009, 4:09 PM EDT
"This is like the "build a zeppelin from scratch" thread. While it IS possible, the real question is WHY.I'll entertain both of them on the basis that if the logistics are well thought out, then big plans don't need to be impossible. They just require tons of effort. However, this one is on the limit of plausability. If the decommission is just the weapons, and the engines work fine, all you would really need is fuel and a crew. Take that thing out to the ocean, you could use multiple islands for growing food. On the other hand, if the engines are gone, then all you have is a huge hunk of metal. You would be better off just leaving it where it is, pulling up the gangplanks and just using it as a fortress. Do you find this valuable? |
Anton2121 |
13. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 14 2009, 12:35 AM EDT
Ok, an answer to all of your questions:1. I've changed from towing it using tugs to using a large cargo ship located 20ft across the dock it's anchored at. 2. It's located on the naval air station in Alameda CA. They keep large supplies of fuel there for the ships anchored to use when in need of refuel. 3. The AC is fully restored and there is nothing about it that is feeling the effects of age. Unless you count the smell of old ship. 4. I do agree on the idea that I might ust have to use it as a base, but 3 of the people I am taking will possibly be able to fix it (probably not, but possibly). 5. All the supplies we are bringing with us will be what stocks the mess area inside. As well as missions we run on land for collecting supplies. (We plan to hang out a half mile from the coast for awhile and running these missions before heading to Lanai to make sure we have planty of supplies for such a long journey) 6. The volcano on Lanai has not erupted for something more like 1000 years now. 7. There is a MED facility(needs restocking), bathrooms, living spaces for 500+, a communications and navigations tower (working), and 2 seperate mess halls (eating areas) onboard (which already have some food in them). 8. All supplies we'll need in the immediate will be brought with us, although there are quite a few objects aboard the AC worthy of looking over for our purposes. 9. Oh, the power generator is functional and currently powers the Hornet. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
14. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 14 2009, 5:56 AM EDT
"Ok, an answer to all of your questions:1. Does the cargo ship have the power and range to move it as far as you want, even with a full tank? 2. Even with large supplies of fuel there right now, can you be certain that they are still going to be there post-outbreak? 3. The ship has fully working engines, but is it kept fueled? If not, do you know how to do that? 4. Without proper mechanical training, you can't expect to be able to fix something as complex and specialized as an aircraft carrier. Are any of the 3 naval mechanics? 5. How many people are going to be aboard, and how long will they be aboard until you reach Lanai? Because if you are bringing 5 months supplies of food, do you know (a) how much it weighs, and (b) the volume of space it takes up? 6. So is it dormant, or overdue? 7. So it has all the facilities, but none of the supplies? Are you going to be bringing those as well? If so, again, weight and volume, If not, how much use will you get out of the facilities? 8 and 9 covered already Do you find this valuable? |
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Anton2121 |
15. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 14 2009, 9:38 PM EDT
1. It definitely has the power, not sure about the range though. But Cargo ships are built for open ocean travel. And with no containers loading it down, it'll have plenty of power for towing.2. I'm very doubtful anyone will be using naval air station fuel supplies. And as with any other members on this wiki, I believe we will all be able to recognize an outbreak for what it is long before it comes to the point of looting, rioting, and all around mayhem. Unless the situation occurs firstly in your home state. 3. It is not kept fueled. I admit I have no idea how to fuel it but I am sure that we would be able to find said area during the initial search of the ship. 4. I should have clarified, all three ARE mechanics. I realize a boat is not a car, but some of the major components and systems are the same. 5. Around 50 people will be with me. All given tasks to help keep the ship running. From fishing off the deck, to communications & navigation according to their skills. 6. Dormant. And I might add that volcanic soil is among the most fertile on earth. 7. Well I'm sure everyone here was never expecting their supplies to already be at their destinations. Unless it's some kind of store. The MED supplies will be hard to obtain, yes, but necessary and everyone who is coming is bringing at least a weeks worth of food. Costco also has these http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11219554 which will make food storage and weight a non-hassle, as they are the size of a PVC bucket, and don't weigh enough to be a hassle. The 2 mess areas are also large enough to hold plenty of food and water. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
16. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 15 2009, 4:47 AM EDT
1. Be sure about the range before you set out. Run out of fuel and you will be at the mercy of the currents, since the ship has no sails. Do you want to spend your time in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch?2. How about the navy? You don't think that they will be used to fight large outbreaks? If no new fuel is delivered because workers have abandoned the refineries, and the navy is burning fuel (unsuccessfully) combating outbreaks until they are overrun, how much will be left for you? 3. Get sure. Do all your research beforehand. You don't want to spend precious time fumbling about on the ship when zombie hordes are roaming outside. 4. Good, but again, do your research. Most specs for older craft can be found online. 5. Are these definite people, or just rough guesses at survivors? Worst case, what if no-one turns up apart from the definite 3 plus you? 6. Good. This one is covered. 7. http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Panic don't expect to be able to get supplies from Costco post-outbreak. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anton2121 |
17. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 16 2009, 1:22 AM EDT
1. Indeed. I plan on learning more next time I'm down there. Including range.2. The naval base is no longer functioning as such. It is just a remnant of itself. It is still used as a dock for large ships, and thus stores fuel for only cargo ships and whichever other craft are there. 3. Exactly, I plan on going back and finding out all I can on it. I've already been aboard 4 times, so I have a decent knowledge of the layout. 4. Indeed. 5. There are three types of people I'm taking with me. Me and my family, close friends & their immediate families and finally, survivors possibly picked up along the way. According to how many friends I'm bringing, including my family and theirs, the estimate come out to about 50, not including survivors we may take with us for various reasons(Doctor, boat captain, child, etc.). If no one but three turn up, in which case it will be my 2 parents and either my cousin or gf, It wwould be easier I would think to survive. If this scenario occurs I would seriously reconsider taking the Hornet, for that small amount of people we could find a smaller trans-pacific travel ship and get to Lanai ourselves. 6. Yep, excellent for crop yield. 7. No, you misunderstand, I would never try to get supplies during the initial panic. I meant I have been collecting supplies already, and am planing on getting a few of these before it even begins. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
18. RE: You asked me for criticism
Oct 16 2009, 7:21 AM EDT
1, 3, 4: When are you going? Let us know how it goes, and update with your findings.2: If the navy used to use it, then be assured that they will use it again in a large scale emergency. Get an idea of how much fuel they typically have on hand, and how much you need. If you need 1-10% of the stock, you should be fine even with the navy using the stock. 11-25%, it is a bit iffy. Any more than that, your plan will be at risk. 5: Looking at the numbers of people you are going to be trying to get there, you may want to look around at the smaller craft. They will need a lot less fuel, and have the potential to reach your destination. The overall goal is to get people and supplies to Lanai. If achieving that means abandoning the aircraft carrier idea, so be it. 7: Then it is back to the weight/volume question. These supplies are at your home. You need to get all the people and all the supplies to the dock. How? Do you find this valuable? |
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benners324 |
19. RE: You asked me for criticism
Nov 22 2009, 6:01 AM EST
Seriously?Sail An Aircraft Carrier? Even if you got the thing to budge there's no way in hell that it would make it. Boats that size have an extensive maintenance crew, and im sure you and a few friends wouldn't be able to keep that afloat. Trust me, i had a similar idea, in correlation with the boat part. And there's no way that a few people could maintain a boat that size. Yeah it's a good idea, but there's a lot of holes in the plan. Do you find this valuable? |
