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The-Splinter-cell
The-Splinter-cell
What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 11:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 11:13 AM EDT
So, I was wondering, Would you prefer, bolt action or Semi auto-matic.

P.S. Zombies cant get in, but its only a matter of time before they do, what sniper would you prefer to hold them of from high ground?
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BrizzlyBear
BrizzlyBear
1. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 11:34 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 11:34 AM EDT
Semi-auto rifles. I don't see why anyone would pick bolt action. Do you find this valuable?    
NorCal_Survivors
NorCal_Survivors
2. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a buildi
Oct 13 2009, 2:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 3:00 PM EDT
If I know for sure that I am going to be defending a reasonably secure building as you have described ...

I would opt for several cheap semi-auto 22LR rifles ... as the rifles are cheap and the ammo is cheap. You can buy decent rifles for under $150, and $150 will get you a giant case of 5k, high-velocity rounds if you know how to shop.

Add to this AR-15 type rifles chambered in .223/5.56 (and ammo) if you have available budget.

Start planning, buying and stocking up NOW
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
3. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 4:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 4:42 PM EDT
"So, I was wondering, Would you prefer, bolt action or Semi auto-matic.

P.S. Zombies cant get in, but its only a matter of time before they do, what sniper would you prefer to hold them of from high ground?"
You may want to look at the thread
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/3205961/Bolt+action+vs.+Lever+action.
It gets into detail about bolt and lever. Overall, though, I'd stick with a semi-auto. Either an AR-15 or a Ruger 10/22 is good.
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spamanninen
spamanninen
4. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 7:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 7:27 PM EDT
Romanian PSL... ammo is dirt cheap and plentiful Do you find this valuable?    
kyallroad
kyallroad
5. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 7:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 7:35 PM EDT
"You may want to look at the thread
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/3205961/Bolt+action+vs.+Lever+action.
It gets into detail about bolt and lever. Overall, though, I'd stick with a semi-auto. Either an AR-15 or a Ruger 10/22 is good."
I have both of these, they are both fine for their intended uses. You would have to really aim to make your shots count with any .22 rimfire but as has been pointed out innumerable times the ammo is cheap.
I would like a few thousand rounds for the AR if anyone has a source cheap. (any supply specialists out there??)
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Bipp
6. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 7:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 7:49 PM EDT
If your held up in a secured building I would use a bolt action rifle for accuracy, range, and no rush with the action or reloading. Save your semi auto's for when you leave the safe position, or if you need to bug out.

As for .22's I would use them to practice and to train people with little or no weapons experience.

Use AR's, AK's, HK's, and other "assault" types of weapons for when you are in dangerous situations.
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ironhand
ironhand
7. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 8:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 8:07 PM EDT
I'd take the bolt action........243 Remington BDL Bolt action

Mild recoil, light weight, ammo is common, ammo easy to reload.

plenty of power for long range shooting and accurate. bi-pod makes it a breeze to make accurate shots and comfortable to sit down and shoot from a bench.

Now if we're talking about close range (zombies storming the wire) stuff...it's a Romanian SAR-1 (AK)!


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John_234
John_234
8. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 8:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 8:23 PM EDT
The rifle you shoot the best, of course. What else?

Though, I'd have a pistol or shotgun on hand for clearing out anything that does get in.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
9. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 9:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 9:08 PM EDT
"I have both of these, they are both fine for their intended uses. You would have to really aim to make your shots count with any .22 rimfire but as has been pointed out innumerable times the ammo is cheap.
I would like a few thousand rounds for the AR if anyone has a source cheap. (any supply specialists out there??)"
The good thing about being in a base. You have time to pick your shots carefully. What do you mean by "cheap" 'cause I may be able to help.
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kyallroad
kyallroad
10. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 10:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 10:22 PM EDT
Wolf seems to be .38 cents each or thereabouts, everything else is more. I remember back in the day (early 90's) getting it for .14 cents each. Can I get near that anymore? Do you find this valuable?    
SkipNChurch
SkipNChurch
11. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 13 2009, 10:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 13 2009, 10:48 PM EDT
Any I had ammo for that worked.

SnC
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paulred2
paulred2
12. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 14 2009, 12:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 12:41 AM EDT
Personally, i would choose the only gun i have any experience with, a Remington 700p bolt action.

I would suggest you choose whatever gun it is you have most experience with too. be that semi-auto, bolt action or any other action for that matter.
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
13. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 14 2009, 12:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 12:50 AM EDT
Gause Rifle. Mechwarrior is the Shizzy Yo!!!

Anyway... I'd stick with what I got. I'll have my gear photos posted later today/tonight.. I'm at work & can't quite do that here...
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Carnack
Carnack
14. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 14 2009, 1:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 1:03 AM EDT
"Any I had ammo for that worked.

SnC"
Seconded.
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thanamestolga
15. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 14 2009, 4:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 4:51 AM EDT
G3A4, the rifle i trusted for the last 15 months...

Long range, plenty of 7.62's and G3's where i live. Gun is reliable as long as its kept clean...

For a shorter type of deal, HK416. Small, we have plenty of them, plenty of rounds for them..

The perk for me is that where i live its easy to find either of these 2...
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
16. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 14 2009, 7:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 14 2009, 7:00 AM EDT
"Wolf seems to be .38 cents each or thereabouts, everything else is more. I remember back in the day (early 90's) getting it for .14 cents each. Can I get near that anymore?"
No, sorry, don't think so. Also, I don't recommend using Wolf. It has jammed a lot in guns I've used it in, and I've read of that happening to others.
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HighSpeed
HighSpeed
17. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 23 2009, 2:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 23 2009, 2:42 PM EDT
SkipNChurch and paulred2 had it right: You need lots of ammo and something you're good with.

I love my Mosin-Nagant 91-30. It's a loud and heavy bolt action, but the 7.62 x 54 ammo is cheap and POWERFUL. I put a picatinny rail system with a scope and bipod on my Mosin, so it is 1 MOA at 200m (Enemy at the Gates, anyone?). I'd upgrade to the Draganov SVD if I could afford it - but I'm a lefty, and the scopes on the Dragonov are for right-handed firers.

Ironhand and Spamamian are on the money. I won't be sweeping room to room with the Big Guy, but that's where my Norinko comes in. The AK clone also uses cheep and plentiful ammo, the 7.62x39. It is semi-auto and a compact carbine so good for reflexive shooting in tight places if the fight comes inside and very reliable.

For SasquatchJim and Kyallroad, the Wolf is crap. I use it on my Russian/Chinese guns because they are whores and will fire anything you put in them. For the prima dona 5.56/.223s, they will jam up quick on this dirty ammo. Watch for the corrosive ammo. Some gun shops have this stuff from old eastern bloc countries for pennies a shot. You MUST clean your gun as soon as you are done shooting if you use this crap, but any respectable gun owner would never rack their weapon dirty.
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SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
18. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 24 2009, 10:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 10:33 AM EDT
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For SasquatchJim and Kyallroad, the Wolf is crap. I use it on my Russian/Chinese guns because they are whores and will fire anything you put in them. For the prima dona 5.56/.223s, they will jam up quick on this dirty ammo. Watch for the corrosive ammo. Some gun shops have this stuff from old eastern bloc countries for pennies a shot. You MUST clean your gun as soon as you are done shooting if you use this crap, but any respectable gun owner would never rack their weapon dirty. "
True. I've heard a lot of people say that. Also, they're unreloadable, which I don't like at all. Post-Zday, you'll probably have to reload ammo, since more and more will be used without new ones being mass produced.

The reason I support semi-autos is that they could not only be used for sniping, but also for when zombies actually do breach your base. While it is true that semi-autos aren't normally as accurate, I'd prefer to have a gun that can not only snipe, but have 30 shots at the ready when they break in, not 5.
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Oakspar77777
19. RE: What Kind of rifles would be useful while holding up in a a building?
Oct 24 2009, 4:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 4:39 PM EDT
Reloading ammo - I don't know many people who will be grinding their own powder. I understand reloading is a wonderful way to drop ammo costs, and makes sense for some specialized guns, but stockpiling will work wonders as well for most without the training or reloading risks (increased jamming, or even if you are a great reloader - the time and energy spent carefully reloading, not watching for Zeds).

In that kind of fort situation, you should start with whatever you can use and toss. Got a stray .357 with only one clip? Burn it, drop it, and move on. There is a high likelyhood that you will have a band with a variety of weapons and minimium ammo. Run through the odd-ball stuff and keep the standard weapons you will likely find continued ammor for later (.22, 12 gague, .308, whatever your local police force uses, etc).

That way if you have to bug out you are not carrying tons of weapons with limited use. If you have a group, however, consider keeping a variety of ammo types so that all scrounged ammo will find somewhere to go.

If you are planning for this scenario, .22 is the way to go. Stockpile in semi-auto, put a good gun in everyone's hand, teach them to shoot, and let them get to it. As they snipe, they will

1) learn the gun you give them,
2) improve in aim,
3) get past hesitancy in making kill shots,
4) gain confidance against the threat.

Also, putting in redundancies in the lines of defence (making the enemy work for every floor up) is a good idea. Blocking alternating stair wells on alternating floors so that you have to zig zag across the building every floor will slow any threat.

Clearing out large rooms by building baracades before the next assension means that even armed raiders have to cover open ground against your cover at every floor.
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