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Eryq111
Eryq111
Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 6:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:29 PM EDT
Locations: Drug Stores(recommended), Hospitals( not recommended)

Which ones:
Aspirin(anti-Inflammatory analgesic),
Azithromycin(for infection),
Metronidazole(for infections that resist Amox. Derivative antibiotics or when they are contraindicated), Valium(to relax and steady shaky hands),
90% isopropyl alcohol(wound antiseptic),
Triple Antibiotic Cream(infection abatement),
dulcolax(stool softener), and
tobramycin eyedrops(eye infections).

As a med student, These are in my opinion some of the most necessary medicine to mankind, pictures and descriptions to aid in identification to follow.
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inu-dude25
inu-dude25
1. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 7:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 7:52 PM EDT
How about oxycodone? They gave me that stuff after getting all four molars surgically removed. Five minutes later and I didn't know I'd ever been in pain to begin with. And my body's resistant to medication as a rule. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Birdman44
Birdman44
2. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 8:41 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 8:41 PM EDT
"Locations: Drug Stores(recommended), Hospitals( not recommended)

Which ones:
Aspirin(anti-Inflammatory analgesic),
Azithromycin(for infection),
Metronizadole(for infections that resist Amox. Derivative antibiotics or when they are contraindicated), Valium(to relax and steady shaky hands),
90% isopropyl alcohol(wound antiseptic),
Triple Antibiotic Cream(infection abatement),
dulcolax(stool softener), and
topromycin eyedrops(eye infections).

As a med student, These are in my opinion some of the most necessary medicine to mankind, pictures and descriptions to aid in identification to follow."
Another good place to look may be veterinarian offices. I mean really, who is going to bring there dog to the vet when they're being attacked by zombies? I've been working at a vet for the past few months and I can say they have many things that can help humans, such as Surgery material and bandages, but just watch out when your looking for medicines, only take that which you know can be used in humans for many can not and may hurt or kill you if taken.
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Eryq111
Eryq111
3. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 9:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:01 PM EDT
"How about oxycodone? They gave me that stuff after getting all four molars surgically removed. Five minutes later and I didn't know I'd ever been in pain to begin with. And my body's resistant to medication as a rule."
as a general rule Hydrocodone (oxycodone Vikadin) is a last resort analgesic in emergency situations, simply due to the fact that it slows many people down and can cause intense constipation and discomfort.

But in a situation where there is no immediate danger, it could be used, but it must be recommended that one should stay very well hydrated
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Eryq111
Eryq111
4. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 9:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:07 PM EDT
"Another good place to look may be veterinarian offices. I mean really, who is going to bring there dog to the vet when they're being attacked by zombies? I've been working at a vet for the past few months and I can say they have many things that can help humans, such as Surgery material and bandages, but just watch out when your looking for medicines, only take that which you know can be used in humans for many can not and may hurt or kill you if taken."
A very good idea in fact there is a little trick that is used to determine if a medications effects on you will be tolerable.

Step one take 10% of the recommended dose and drink 1 liter of water, wait 4 hrs to determine if any allergies or negative effects occur. If none, wait 24 hrs and then proceed to step two

Step two take 30% of the recommended dose and drink 1 liter of water, wait 4 hrs to determine if any allergies or negative effects ocur. If none, wait 24 hrs and then proceed to step three

Step three Same as the above steps except the dose is 70%

Step four Same as above except the dose is 100%

If no negative effects occur, then the medicine is safe
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inu-dude25
inu-dude25
5. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 9:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 9:37 PM EDT
"as a general rule Hydrocodone (oxycodone Vikadin) is a last resort analgesic in emergency situations, simply due to the fact that it slows many people down and can cause intense constipation and discomfort.

But in a situation where there is no immediate danger, it could be used, but it must be recommended that one should stay very well hydrated"
Oh yes, but if you're in a combat situation and you or one of your people gets injured it could work to get them moving out of the immediate danger zone.

They didn't tell me about the dehydration aspect of that stuff, I guess it's good I drink a lot anyway...
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Eryq111
Eryq111
6. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 10:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 10:16 PM EDT
"Oh yes, but if you're in a combat situation and you or one of your people gets injured it could work to get them moving out of the immediate danger zone.

They didn't tell me about the dehydration aspect of that stuff, I guess it's good I drink a lot anyway..."
Excellent point, however in an combat situation, orally taken medication will not have an effect until its too late. If at all possible, an intravenous or intramuscular injection of morphine would be best. If that is not possible, the person should chew the medication and swallow. If you are unable to get ahold of IV or IM morphine, Hydrocodone should be ground into a powder in case a person is in a lot of pain and unable to chew.
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kyallroad
kyallroad
7. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 10:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 10:35 PM EDT
"Oh yes, but if you're in a combat situation and you or one of your people gets injured it could work to get them moving out of the immediate danger zone.

They didn't tell me about the dehydration aspect of that stuff, I guess it's good I drink a lot anyway..."
It's not exactly that you get dehydrated from the medication, it's that when people take significant doses of narcotics their intestinal motility slows (they get constipated) lots of fluids helps to keep things "moving".

And really, if you had say broken ribs or a skull fracture would you really want to be grunting out a five day load? Regularity is appreciated by the infirm, just ask a nursing home resident about their latest BM, it's like the most interesting thing of their day.
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ironhand
ironhand
8. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 15 2009, 11:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 15 2009, 11:16 PM EDT
sounds good Eryg

I'm going to setup a page to work on. Maybe we can work out how to organize it too.
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Quickrace89
Quickrace89
9. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 2:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 2:03 AM EDT
So what's the downside of morphine? I thought it'd be number 1 on the list for painkillers. When the dosage is handled right I think it's one of the most crucial.

Also, Valium's calming properties should be listed, seeing that stress and panic can get you killed post Z-Day - especially seeing that we're mostly dealing with civilians with normal lives, not trained military personnel.

One more thing, is Hydrogen Peroxide useful as an everything-killer on a wound? Or is there something better?
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Troy_Redgrave
Troy_Redgrave
10. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 5:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 5:34 AM EDT
"So what's the downside of morphine? I thought it'd be number 1 on the list for painkillers. When the dosage is handled right I think it's one of the most crucial.

Also, Valium's calming properties should be listed, seeing that stress and panic can get you killed post Z-Day - especially seeing that we're mostly dealing with civilians with normal lives, not trained military personnel.

One more thing, is Hydrogen Peroxide useful as an everything-killer on a wound? Or is there something better?"
Morphine is insanely addictive, and withdrawals are the last thing you need during Z-Day. While I'm not sure if there is anything better than hydrogen-peroxide, it is certainly good. It's also very widely available. And I like your point about Valium.
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ironhand
ironhand
11. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 6:47 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 6:47 AM EDT
Just in general...

if anyone has pictures of these products in a foreign language, please send the pics to me.

thanks...
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Eryq111
Eryq111
12. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 10:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 10:15 AM EDT
"So what's the downside of morphine? I thought it'd be number 1 on the list for painkillers. When the dosage is handled right I think it's one of the most crucial.

Also, Valium's calming properties should be listed, seeing that stress and panic can get you killed post Z-Day - especially seeing that we're mostly dealing with civilians with normal lives, not trained military personnel.

One more thing, is Hydrogen Peroxide useful as an everything-killer on a wound? Or is there something better?"
Morphine definately belongs on the list, this was just a beginning. The reasons it didnt make this list are that it will be more difficult to get ahold of (rarely found outside of hospitals), and its withdrawl.

My apologies on not clarifying the calming properties of vallium(diazepam). This can be used to calm a severely freaked out person. But due to the addictive properties, a better bet for day to day anxiety would be klonopin (clonazepam).

Isopropyl alcohol will sanatize a wound, Hydrogen Peroxide reacts with blood to produce water and oxygen. This is great for cleaning a wound, but what is generally needed is to destroy the infectious agents.
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Eryq111
Eryq111
13. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 10:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 10:16 AM EDT
"It's not exactly that you get dehydrated from the medication, it's that when people take significant doses of narcotics their intestinal motility slows (they get constipated) lots of fluids helps to keep things "moving".

And really, if you had say broken ribs or a skull fracture would you really want to be grunting out a five day load? Regularity is appreciated by the infirm, just ask a nursing home resident about their latest BM, it's like the most interesting thing of their day."
well put, in fact thats why you will notice i put dulcolax on the list of meds to scav
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kyallroad
kyallroad
14. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 16 2009, 11:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 16 2009, 11:33 PM EDT
Anyone interested in pharmacology should pick up a nursing drug book, without getting too heavy into the science of each drug it can help you figure out what works and what it may interact with. It would be 20 bucks well spent.

On the other hand, there are SOOOO many drugs on the market today, without knowing exactly what you have and what you need you would be best off sticking with the basics.

It would really suck to need a prostate anti-inflammation pill and get a mood stabilizer instead.
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kinelta
kinelta
15. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 17 2009, 12:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 12:04 AM EDT
"Locations: Drug Stores(recommended), Hospitals( not recommended)

Which ones:
Aspirin(anti-Inflammatory analgesic),
Azithromycin(for infection),
Metronidazole(for infections that resist Amox. Derivative antibiotics or when they are contraindicated), Valium(to relax and steady shaky hands),
90% isopropyl alcohol(wound antiseptic),
Triple Antibiotic Cream(infection abatement),
dulcolax(stool softener), and
tobramycin eyedrops(eye infections).

As a med student, These are in my opinion some of the most necessary medicine to mankind, pictures and descriptions to aid in identification to follow."
Insulin for diabetics.

I am curious, though, as to what will happen once these drugs near and pass their expiration dates. Does anyone have any plans on what to do when this occurs? Granted this might be a couple for years for some drugs, but I'm not so sure that there will be an ability to manufacture drugs within a few short years of z-day.

But this will be useful for the months following an outbreak nevertheless.
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Eryq111
Eryq111
16. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 17 2009, 12:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 12:42 PM EDT
"Insulin for diabetics.

I am curious, though, as to what will happen once these drugs near and pass their expiration dates. Does anyone have any plans on what to do when this occurs? Granted this might be a couple for years for some drugs, but I'm not so sure that there will be an ability to manufacture drugs within a few short years of z-day.

But this will be useful for the months following an outbreak nevertheless."
WARNING!!!!
Many Pharmaceuticals produce toxic chemicals as they degrade, any drugs that are past their expiration date should be DISCARDED
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ironhand
ironhand
17. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 17 2009, 4:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 4:26 PM EDT
"WARNING!!!!
Many Pharmaceuticals produce toxic chemicals as they degrade, any drugs that are past their expiration date should be DISCARDED "
see that's why I need Eryg's help LOL!

Anyone ever see Firefly where Malcolm has the drugs he want to steal WRITTEN on his arm in marker?

THAT'LL BE ME!

Throw a bunch of miscellaneous handgun and rifle mags out on a table and I can ID and pick out what I need, but a shelf full of drugs is a "lost in confusion" scenario for me : P
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Eryq111
Eryq111
18. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 17 2009, 4:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 4:36 PM EDT
"see that's why I need Eryg's help LOL!

Anyone ever see Firefly where Malcolm has the drugs he want to steal WRITTEN on his arm in marker?

THAT'LL BE ME!

Throw a bunch of miscellaneous handgun and rifle mags out on a table and I can ID and pick out what I need, but a shelf full of drugs is a "lost in confusion" scenario for me : P"
my pleasure, just trying to keep people safe. lol
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kinelta
kinelta
19. RE: Pharmaceuticals
Oct 17 2009, 6:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 17 2009, 6:33 PM EDT
"WARNING!!!!
Many Pharmaceuticals produce toxic chemicals as they degrade, any drugs that are past their expiration date should be DISCARDED "
Well, I would hope that using old drugs would be more or less common sense... if not, then...
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