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ViolentKisses |
Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 23 2009, 8:55 PM EDT
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Here is my stance on a full scale level 4 Z-Day outbreak and the military.Firstly I do not believe the military will be overwhelmed and destroyed While there may be mishaps in the beginning if bases start rushing people in and accidentally get a infected or soon to be zombie. ((which I doubt btw)) But generally I believe that rescue efforts will be planned out well and very successful. Still such planning leads to much sacrifice and days, weeks, or even months till rescue is possible in the worst areas. That is if fire bombing, nerve gas, or other extreme measures arent used. Which is possibile in heavily infected urban centers is utilized which is fairly possible. Best recommendation is pretty basic and echoed through this website That is to be far away from urban areas, Get your supplies but learn and practice skills necessary for survival with or without supplies. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?
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ViolentKisses |
1. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 23 2009, 9:04 PM EDT
What does everyone else think about military responce and the possibility of liquidation of the military.
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spamanninen |
2. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 23 2009, 9:06 PM EDT
I think you may overestimate the military.....
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3. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 23 2009, 9:41 PM EDT
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I think you overestimate the civilian government that controls the military. I firmly believe that when it goes down, it will go the way the writers have presented it, with politically biased delays, detours and denials preventing soldiers from doing what they're capable of doing. Take a company of marines, send them into a neighborhood where there's an outbreak with orders to take head shots on any wasted looking individual who moans, walks funny and won't stop when you challenge him, (and DON'T LET 'EM BITE you) and I bet they'd do one hell of a job. But leave it up to politicians who are worried about PC appearances and votes, about property damage and loss of profits, and they'll waffle until we're all hungry for spleens and livers.
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IrishHitman |
4. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 9:16 AM EDT
If the military isn't overwhelmed, then all we have to do is bug-in for a few days or weeks...
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Whybother08 |
5. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 9:23 AM EDT
"I think you overestimate the civilian government that controls the military. I firmly believe that when it goes down, it will go the way the writers have presented it, with politically biased delays, detours and denials preventing soldiers from doing what they're capable of doing. Take a company of marines, send them into a neighborhood where there's an outbreak with orders to take head shots on any wasted looking individual who moans, walks funny and won't stop when you challenge him, (and DON'T LET 'EM BITE you) and I bet they'd do one hell of a job. But leave it up to politicians who are worried about PC appearances and votes, about property damage and loss of profits, and they'll waffle until we're all hungry for spleens and livers."Typical conspiracy theorist response. "The government would cover everything up, not tell anyone, not even the military, sh!t because they are greedy, and let everyone die." Did it ever occur to you that letting millions of workers and taxpayers die is really *not* in the government's best interest? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
PedroAsani |
6. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 9:56 AM EDT
See, here I agree with #4buck, whybother08 AND Max Brooks.Governments won't deliberately engineer the deaths of millions of people (Gencoidal maniacs notwithstanding) so I don't see a conspiracy there. But I do think that they will be more disbelieving of zombies than the general population. Imagine being the guy who announces to the world that zombies exist. Even if you are right, you will be ridiculed and scorned until the outbreak is a Class 3, possibly Class 4. Your political career will be over long before then. Now imagine that you are wrong. That is the end of your career, end of your credibility. You will never be able to work again. Given those two options, who will want to brave that fallout? If they have any good intentions, they will want to act without alerting anyone, least of all the panicky public. So they will work in secret. This will only work for a short time, because large movements of troops will be noticed and word spread by people. They will question what is going on, and even if zombies isn't mentioned, infection and quarantine probably will. At that point the government will be spending more time and effort on publicity control, leaving the infection as a secondary matter. (Cynical, but realistic.) Since the decision was to compromise security for concealment from the public, the quarantine zones, infection control and screening will not be as good as they could have been. Combine second rate controls with a panicked and angry public, and a deadly infection, you have the recipe for disaster. Do you find this valuable? |
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#4buck |
7. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 12:47 PM EDT
Thank you.Consider the continuing legacy of the most recent presidential administration. ***Conspiracy? I really doubt it. Stumble-fudging ineptitude and deceit, guided by personal fears and prejudices? Absolutely. ***The cost of the war in Iraq is pushing $695-BILLION. Show me the WMDs. ***So far there are 4,269 Americans dead, 30,182 wounded; estimates of DOCUMENTED Iraqi dead as high as 100,000. Show me the WMDs. Was the "government" Katrina response a conspiracy? Of course not. And I don't favor any political party. I love Jimmy Carter, but we're still paying for the WTF were you thinking way his administration handled Iran. And many of the financial industry excesses that landed us in our current economic goat lick stemmed from the relaxation of rules by the Clinton administration. It's not the government - it's the fact that the government is run by politicians. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 2:37 PM EDT
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Well its highly likely that the military will do anything until it's too late.
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Kavoc |
9. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 3:32 PM EDT
"Well its highly likely that the military will do anything until it's too late."Care to elaborate? Do you find this valuable? |
MajorDamage |
10. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 3:38 PM EDT
"Well its highly likely that the military will do anything until it's too late."are you missing a word or two that 'may' put your thought into some form of context? such as: Well, it's highly UNlikely that the military will do anything until it's too late Well, it's highley likely that the military will NOT do anything until it's too late Well, it's highly likely that the military will kick my ass since I'm too late. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
DevilNuts |
11. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 4:42 PM EDT
The military itself is just a tool; the government calls the shots. If the government:A) Utilizes the military correctly (Strategic), and B) Gives local commanders the discretion to run operations without bogging them down with unnecessary RoEs, Then the military will have many successes. And I agree wholeheartedly with #4 - The military is controlled by government, the government is run by politicians, and politicians think of themselves first - always. Who is going to be the one to stand up and say something silly? Right. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 5:28 PM EDT
I think you should look at Katrina for your scenario.1) Those with ways and means will bug out of the cities at the first warnings with their most prized possessions. They will not exspect things to last long or be bad, and won't go much farther than a days travel. 2) Some will sit tight, no matter what, and will either die where they stay, leave when things really do get bad, or have to be rescued (at great risk to military). 3) The military will take care of those who come to the areas they are prepared in, but will be slow to go into areas where people naturally congregate (the dome). 4) Looting and violence. 5) The dome. 6) The military eventually goes in to deal with the problem, but only after it has been well contained (reguardless of consequences on those within the hot zone). Now, if such a catastrophe was national, rather than regional, the army would soon be "overwhelmed." Not that the army would go down, but would be bunkered in (that is what the army does, by the way, bunker and hold - the marines, rangers, seals, and coast guard attack and rescue). So, there would be many safe areas, depending on the risk of the infection, held by military. These are the areas that those who are not capable of taking care of themselves should go. They will be disarmed, and left helpless and following orders, but their odds of survival are good. Those capable of surviving, however, can improve their odds and their level of freedom with a good survival regiment (more than just a plan - practice and implimentation). 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DevilNuts |
13. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 7:22 PM EDT
" (that is what the army does, by the way, bunker and hold - the marines, rangers, seals, and coast guard attack and rescue).Oh, cool. Thanks for the lesson. 8 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ViolentKisses |
14. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 7:36 PM EDT
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"But I do think that they will be more disbelieving of zombies than the general population. Imagine being the guy who announces to the world that zombies exist. Even if you are right, you will be ridiculed and scorned until the outbreak is a Class 3, possibly Class 4. Your political career will be over long before then.It won't likely be the president announcing the dead walk the earth it won't even be the media at frist it will be zillions of twitter idiots xD --Twitter Chat Log-- ~ I'm brushing my teeth right now and i think i'll get some of that tooth whitening paste next time. ~Damn I think my moms mad at me about something shes growling and staring at me ~BRB ~**** **** **** ****!!!1 ~ OH **** MY MOM JUST TOOK A BITE OUT OF MY ARM!!!1` ~WHAT IN THE HELLS HAPPENING!!??? </End Chat Log> And that will one frist twitter idiots to respond xD 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
15. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 7:51 PM EDT
"It won't likely be the president announcing the dead walk the earth it won't even be the media at frist it will be zillions of twitter idiots xDProblem with "Citizen Journalists" is that they have less exacting standards than "Citizen Dentists". If right now we started seeing people saying "OMG ZOMBIES!", how many of us would think (a) zombie-walk in progress (b) bored troll (c) mistaken idiot (d) all of the above? Doesn't matter how much people proclaim New Media Is Here, for the big stories (and verification of smaller ones) we still rely on Newspapers, TV and Radio journalism. Now if only more of those journalists were Spider Jerusalem, I'd pay attention to them more regularly. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 8:17 PM EDT
Our military makes up a small part of our population. That small percentage is then spread across the world. I haven't a clue how many service men and women are actually stationed in the U.S.If we were overrun by a virus outbreak I don't think our military hardware would be that effective. It would be a ground game going from street to street house to house. Where are all the soldiers going to come from? Take into account that of the small percentage of service men and women we have in this country a percentage of them could have already contracted the virus. Bodies and lots of them would be needed and what really gets me is something everyone else has pointed out. The same government that flubbed Katrina would be at the helm calling the shots. Just the opinion of an average Joe. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ViolentKisses |
17. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 24 2009, 8:28 PM EDT
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"Our military makes up a small part of our population. That small percentage is then spread across the world. I haven't a clue how many service men and women are actually stationed in the U.S.I have been curious for awhile conserning troops overseas should some super serious domestic situation require people on the ground at home. Would troops be brought home in such situation? I'f zombies occured within a single country or two or three would the international community step in and provide military services and aid to stop the spread? I mean it seems like a no brainer ((lol unintentional zombie joke)) that when there is great threat of spread they would at least step up barriers to stop it from reaching another country and another country and so on... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 25 2009, 5:54 AM EDT
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"Our military makes up a small part of our population. That small percentage is then spread across the world. I haven't a clue how many service men and women are actually stationed in the U.S."Numbers? I have those :) Active US military personnel Worldwide : 1,445,000 Active US "civilian military" Worldwide: 580,049 (civ mil are usually paper pushers, probably not worth counting for shooters) Reserve US military Worldwide: 850,000 Total Active US military in the USA: 883,430 in the contiguous 48 states, 36,827 in Hawaii and 19,828 in Alaska. 90,218 are at sea. 1,030,303 Total. Total Active US military Overseas: 84,488 are located in Europe, 154 in the former Soviet Union, 70,719 in East Asia and the Pacific, 7,850 in North Africa, the Near East, and South Asia, 2,727 are in sub-Saharan Africa with 2,043 in the Western Hemisphere excepting the United States itself. Total 167,981. These are the Currently Stationed numbers.1,198,284. The other 246,716 are deployed between Iraq (142,000), Afghanistan (31,100) and other conflicts. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
19. RE: Overwhelmed Military?
Oct 25 2009, 6:13 AM EDT
From these you can see why I have little faith that the military would be able to contain a large outbreak in the 48. A population in excess of 210,000,000 being corraled by 2,875,049 military and 800,000 law enforcement personnel?56 frightened, panicky people for every officer? Not good. Do you find this valuable? |
