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ReaperVirus	Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 7:00 PM EDT There are several different theorys that fall into two basic catagories and several subcatagories. The two main catagories are supernatural zombies and infection zombies. Supernatural zombies- i dont really like these theorys considering as they are far more unrealistic in my opinion. There are the black magic zombies or the satan filled zombies just an innumerable amount of these and all of them more unrealistic than the last. I won't go into much detail on these. odss of happening-less than 1/10 The second kind the infection zombies are the ones i consider the most realistic. The infection subcatagories: the Genetically modified virus the mutated virus the alien virus the bacteria the parasite the prion The Genetically modified virus- This can range anywhere from the miracle cure turned bad to the weoponized viruses to the failed supersoldier program. Ex. The I am Legend Virus, Rage Virus from 28 days later. This is not an unlikely scenario viruses are highly mutatable and biowarfare is on the rise. Potential cons to this theory if a government created a supervirus such as these odds are they also created a failsafe vaccine, also the major problem with viruses used in biowarfare in the zombie scenario is they are just too fatal. The rage virus from 28 days later is said to had been manafactured from the ebola virus which is strange considering a that the rage virus wasnt deadly at all and ebola is one of the deadliest viruses known to man. If the government was to create some supervirus and say there failsafes dont work then we have this supervirus out there that only the government knows about that would most likely turn into the typical zombie scenario described in the max brooks books and the 28 days later movies. Odds of happening 7/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: Virus Zombie
beowulf2700	1. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 7:03 PM EDT uno questiono WT eff is a prion...excuse my naivte Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	2. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 7:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 30 2009, 7:52 PM EDT The mutated virus- This would be a virus found naturally in nature such as rabies evolving into a z-virus, with little to no human intervention in its evolution.EX. the zombie survival guides solanum. This is one of my favorite theory's seeing as it is one of the most likely in my opinion. Evolution is a natural force that has proven time and time again to be unstoppable and extremely powerful. Viruses with the potential to evolve into a z-virus include rabies, hantaviruses, and retroviruses. this theory is still plagued by the fact that these viruses are fatal instead of zombiefying. Rabies, a virus with immense zombie potential, is one of the deadliest viruses known to man if left untreated. Only six people have ever survived the rabies virus after symptoms began to appear. The pros to this theory though is if a virus naturally evolves a vaccine would have to be created which would the virus a lot more time to reproduce. odds of happening- 7.5/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	3. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 7:32 PM EDT "uno questiono WT eff is a prion...excuse my naivte" mad cow disease is actually a prion not a disease contrary to populare belief. a prion is a protien that form plaque on the brain that eventually form holes which can cause massive personality changes and the loss of higher thinking capabilities Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	4. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 7:50 PM EDT The alien virus- this theory is a little more farfetched than the previous two in my opinion but still holds more merit than the supernatural theorys. This theory is that a virus is brought to earth by an otherworldly source such as a meteor.EX. Andromeda strain. This theory has too many unknown variables but judging from the fact that just entering our atmesphere meteors heat up to anywhere from 4000 to 14000 degrees which no known lifeform can withstand. probability of happening- 2/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	5. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:01 PM EDT The bacteria- there are innumerable types of bacteria most of which are harmless to humans. The samll percentage that are dangerous to humans are becoming more and more dangerous everyday. The staph bacteris is one of the most dangerous bacteria because it is becoming increasingly resistant to anti-biotics the only known treatment for most bacteria. Several bacteria affect brain function and a rare few have even been known to alter the way people act. The major problem with the bacteria infection is that they can be contained much easier if there is an organized defense to it. A major boost to the bacteria theory is the fact that bacteria can live outside of humans for long to indefinite periods of time. probability of happening-4/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	6. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:08 PM EDT The parasite- This theory is one of the creepiest. There are several parasites that have been shown to alter behavior in rats and snails. How far of a leap would it be to jump from mice to humans. The answer in my opinion is that is one far leap. Mice might be more advanced than a snail but there brain function is absolutely miniscule compared to a human. It would be like comparing an abacus to a calculator to a state of the art computer. If a parasite ever did evolve to controlling the brain function of a human we would be hard pressed to combat this anyway other than killing the infected seeing as the parasite would have to be in the brain. so con it has a long way to go to evolve into a potential z-scenario, pro that if it did then humanity would be hard pressed to stop the advance of such a parasite. probability of happening-3/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	7. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:17 PM EDT The prion- not much is kjnown about prions other than they cause severe brain damage in most mammals. an example of a prion is the mad cow disease. As I said before not much is known about how they act or effect humans so i can not make definitave argument for the prion scenario, but judging from how Mad cow disease affects humans and cows alike, causing them to become overly aggresive and resorting to the baser insticts of the hunt, you could possibly say that it wouldnt be that far of a jump fromt eh mad cow disease to a z-scenario.probability of happening -? if i had to geuss 6/10 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	8. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:19 PM EDT Would love everyones comments or criticsim as i am trying to write a fictional zombie novel and would love to hear everyones feedback on the realism of the zombie scenario Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	9. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:19 PM EDT begins slow clap noice thread meng...id vote to turn it to a page kudos coming @ ya Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ReaperVirus	10. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:25 PM EDT thx im new to the site though a long time zombie buff how do you go about turning it into a page Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	11. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:39 PM EDT youd have to talk to the admin/mods about becoming a writer...you have the stuffs reaper...welcome to the site btw! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	12. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:45 PM EDT "mad cow disease is actually a prion not a disease contrary to populare belief. a prion is a protien that form plaque on the brain that eventually form holes which can cause massive personality changes and the loss of higher thinking capabilities" Prions are the cause of the disease. A disease is "a pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms." Which means anything that deviates from normality, and is harmful to the organism. And a prion is a little more than a protein. It is a mis-folded protein, and the distinction is important, because the folding changes its entire nature. A protein is a chain of amino acids. Think of it as a piece of paper, shaded in certain areas, representing different amino acids. You take the paper, and fold it into a bird. The shading is done so that the wings, head and tail are different colours, and the body is white. That is a normal protein. It is a three dimensional shape, and the way it is put together means it will react in the body in a certain way. Now take the same paper, the same shading, only fold it into a frog. This time the colours are not where they are supposed to be, and the frog looks strange, with multicoloured legs and torso. That is a prion. The amino acids are not where they should be, and as a result will behave differently in the body. Normally, prions are harmless, and the body recognises and destroys them for the mistakes they are. But recently it has been noticed that some prions go undetected, and the reactions they cause have adverse effects. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ReaperVirus	13. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:48 PM EDT thx ill talk to the admins Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	14. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:50 PM EDT The reason prions are getting all the attention is because there isn't really a way to kill them. Viruses have vaccines, bacteria can be killed with antibiotics, parasites are big enough to deal with via surgery or medicines. Prions can't be easily killed. Even if you have something that will kill a prion, it will also kill the protein that prion should have been, so you can't really do that. Heat, cold, and time don't do the job either. Bury someone with a prion disease, dig up the corpse fifty years later, and the prion will still be intact. It doesn't really decay, and doesn't need anything to live. Jonathan Maberry has done a lot of research on this for his zombie novels. Read "Zombie CSU" and "Patient Zero" for more info. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	15. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:53 PM EDT "uno questiono WT eff is a prion...excuse my naivte" A site I happened on about a week ago asking the same thing. It's one of my favorite new sites: http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=5047 Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	16. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 8:54 PM EDT damn....ill place 50 on parisite though. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	17. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 9:02 PM EDT "damn....ill place 50 on parisite though." Maberry came up with a really cool mix of virus and prion. The virus secretes the prions, which speeds up the infection time from years to hours. Genetically altering stuff seems to be the most likely way to get zombies. And plausible as both intentional and accidental. Intentional is obvious. Zombify the enemy, let them devour each other. Accidental? Well how about a virus that secretes the proteins that kick the pancreas into making insulin. One virus goes bad, making prions instead. Those prions cause zombism. Actually, that would be an excellent start point for multiple outbreaks in disparate regions in the western world. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	18. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 9:04 PM EDT "Maberry came up with a really cool mix of virus and prion. The virus secretes the prions, which speeds up the infection time from years to hours. Genetically altering stuff seems to be the most likely way to get zombies. And plausible as both intentional and accidental. Intentional is obvious. Zombify the enemy, let them devour each other. Accidental? Well how about a virus that secretes the proteins that kick the pancreas into making insulin. One virus goes bad, making prions instead. Those prions cause zombism. Actually, that would be an excellent start point for multiple outbreaks in disparate regions in the western world." Holy Anne Hathaway! That's a scary thought.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
beowulf2700	19. RE: Considering the theory's Oct 30 2009, 9:05 PM EDT "Maberry came up with a really cool mix of virus and prion. The virus secretes the prions, which speeds up the infection time from years to hours. Genetically altering stuff seems to be the most likely way to get zombies. And plausible as both intentional and accidental. Intentional is obvious. Zombify the enemy, let them devour each other. Accidental? Well how about a virus that secretes the proteins that kick the pancreas into making insulin. One virus goes bad, making prions instead. Those prions cause zombism. Actually, that would be an excellent start point for multiple outbreaks in disparate regions in the western world." cough China Cough Rabies vaccine cough Recalled COFF Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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