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survivortype
survivortype
Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:34 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:34 AM EST
You have just been bitten on one of your extremities.

You have a machete, axe, or other sharp instrument.

You now have a very important decision to make.

The clock is ticking. What do you do? Do you find this valuable?    
Keyword tags: healing zombie
Iamz0rs
Iamz0rs
1. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 5:10 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 5:10 AM EST
Now I don't study medicine, but if the infection is carried by blood and injected into your bloodstream, is it even possible to amputate your arm/leg fast enough?


Personaly I don't know, depends on where the bite is. I mean, there is no point in chopping of half your legg, suffering terrible pain for no reason and then bleed to death. I'd rather find a high cliff.


Otherwise, I'm an Aethist, so I belive that survival is the nr 1 priority. I'd probably try to chop my extremite off. Truth be told I've never really experienced such pain, and frankly doubt I could make it before fainting from pain and/or bloodloss. Do you find this valuable?    
Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
2. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 5:13 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 5:13 AM EST
"You have just been bitten on one of your extremities.

You have a machete, axe, or other sharp instrument.

You now have a very important decision to make.

The clock is ticking. What do you do?"
I would chop it off without a seconds thought.
The alternative is becoming a zombie.
If you chop it of and live another day.
If it doesn't work there will be a one armed zombie somewhere.
alternative number 3 is that the amputation kills you and you don't reanimate at all because the virus needs a living host.

The "perhaps it will be ok"-argument didn't work on the other 99.99 people who got bitten and nothing shows it will work on me. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
3. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 5:56 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 5:57 AM EST
I wrote up quite a gruesome step-by-step of how this would have to be done.

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/3267345/Is+this+a+possibile+way+to+survive+a+Z+bite%3F Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
4. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 5:58 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 5:58 AM EST
The reason for directing you here is so that you understand it's not a case of chop and lop.

You need to stem the blood flow, prevent shock, cauterize the wound. Not really a solo job. Do you find this valuable?    
Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
5. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 6:30 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 6:30 AM EST
"The reason for directing you here is so that you understand it's not a case of chop and lop.

You need to stem the blood flow, prevent shock, cauterize the wound. Not really a solo job."
I figure that if a zombie bite have 0% survival chance and trying to chop of your limb by your self or by someone else gives you a 0.005% survival you should still try because a small chance is always bigger than none.
Your best bet really is not to get bitten. not getting bitten gives you a 100% chance of not turning into a zombie. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
6. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 8:59 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 8:59 AM EST
"The reason for directing you here is so that you understand it's not a case of chop and lop.

You need to stem the blood flow, prevent shock, cauterize the wound. Not really a solo job."
Pedro I just want you to know that if you ever got bitten on the neck I'll be there for ya buddy. Just hand me a rusty corn knife and a hot skillet and everything will be OK. :) Do you find this valuable?    
SasquatchJim
SasquatchJim
7. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 9:11 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 9:13 AM EST
One problem I see with amputation is pretty obvious: assuming it does work (which I have my doubts about,) you now only have one arm. Reloading a gun, driving, and many other survival-necessary activities will be next to impossible. In my opinion, I'd just be a burden on my group, and would hamper their chance of survival.
If I get bitten, I'm planning on eating a bullet. Better to have a corpse on the ground than a one-armed zombie attacking my group.

(Edit: I just noticed how ironic this is. Saying that I'd rather die than than have to try to fight with one arm, but my prof. picture is Ash.) Do you find this valuable?    
agentaaa
agentaaa
8. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 1:03 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 1:03 PM EST
Honestly, I have seen no evidence either way as to whether that would work, so I don't know if its possible. better choice than being a zed. Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
9. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 2:50 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 2:50 PM EST
I'll let someone else do the amputation and the cauterizing. But please drug me before you do so, even if it means getting me drunk. I'm a sissy when it comes to pain. Do you find this valuable?    
Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
10. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 3:28 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 3:28 PM EST
If you are going to spend time with drugs you might as well let them aim for the head. They pretty much need to chop it off immediately because if the smallest trace escapes into the blood stream you are ******. Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
11. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 3:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 3:29 PM EST
Yeah, I figured that after I posted. How about drugs afterward? Do you find this valuable?    
Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
12. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 3:36 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 3:36 PM EST
well if you don't pass out/die from shock I guess you've earned it.
Quick question though: I know muslims don't drink alcohol but do morphine really count? Do aspirin and **** count too? Do you find this valuable?    
kinelta
kinelta
13. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 3:42 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 3:47 PM EST
No and no. And I'd rather not have to get drunk and probably wouldn't, in all honesty, even if there were nothing else.

Off topic:

But there is a law of necessity--meaning that if there is nothing to drink but alcohol (I dunno, like your juice fermented in the desert or something and there's no water) or nothing to eat but pork, etc, then you are allowed to fulfill the need and no more.

One's life is more important than the law--so if my life were threatened, my life takes precendence until the threat has disappeared. Do you find this valuable?    
survivortype
survivortype
14. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 3:54 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 3:54 PM EST
Crap. Didn't realize I'd posted a redundant thread. Sorry guys.

@kinelta - Law of necessity sounds like good common sense. I like it. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
15. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:29 PM EST
"Pedro I just want you to know that if you ever got bitten on the neck I'll be there for ya buddy. Just hand me a rusty corn knife and a hot skillet and everything will be OK. :)"
Such a warm glow....no wait, that's the fear running down my leg. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
16. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:31 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:31 PM EST
"One problem I see with amputation is pretty obvious: assuming it does work (which I have my doubts about,) you now only have one arm. Reloading a gun, driving, and many other survival-necessary activities will be next to impossible. In my opinion, I'd just be a burden on my group, and would hamper their chance of survival."
You have eyes, ears and (going out on a limb here) a brain.

So you are still useful. Just limited and different. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
17. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:32 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:32 PM EST
"I'll let someone else do the amputation and the cauterizing. But please drug me before you do so, even if it means getting me drunk. I'm a sissy when it comes to pain."
Alcohol thins the blood. Not good for amputation.

Better off sober. Even if you are a wuss. Do you find this valuable?    
DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
18. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:36 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:36 PM EST
Mostly i would be worried about mundane infection. Gangrene and sepsis are hard to survive in a modern hospital. Do you find this valuable?    
Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
19. RE: Amputation to avoid infection
Nov 8 2009, 4:41 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 8 2009, 4:41 PM EST
"No and no. And I'd rather not have to get drunk and probably wouldn't, in all honesty, even if there were nothing else.

Off topic:

But there is a law of necessity--meaning that if there is nothing to drink but alcohol (I dunno, like your juice fermented in the desert or something and there's no water) or nothing to eat but pork, etc, then you are allowed to fulfill the need and no more.

One's life is more important than the law--so if my life were threatened, my life takes precendence until the threat has disappeared."
so intoxication from morphine (Morphine ***** you up) does not count as drunk, correct?
Alcohol didn't even cross my mind in regards to pain. Alcohol tends to increase blood flow (Thats the warm feeling you get when you drink it). More blood flow is something you really don't want when a arm is missing.

@Pedro
That reminds me of a joke I heard.
There was a guide giving a explorer advice in case a lion should attack him.
Guide: "If the lion attacks you should trow feces at him. The smell and confusion will drive him away"
Explorer: "what if I don't find any?"
Guide: "Oh it will be there." Do you find this valuable?    
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