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WoodlandGhillie |
Crowbar?
Nov 11 2009, 5:40 PM EST
Go pick up a baseball bat, and find a wooden 2x4, or 4x4. Now, hit the 4x4 with the bat. Repeat 15 times.Elbow hurt? Muscles tired? Bat bent or broken? Now go pick up a crowbar and do the same. Crowbars are heavy, and you have the chance to hit yourself if you miss the swing. I would suggest a .22 revolver or compact/collapsible rifle. M1 Carbine or Browning Grade 1 semi .22 are both great choices. Also, for ammo for the .22, pistol or rifle, get Winchester .22 shotshells. Much less penetration, so you wont hit anything behind it, but it WILL bounce around the skull. Much less noise than a 9mm too. (I understand UK/Europe laws are much stricter than US about firearms. Having a BOB with a firearm might be harder in Europe?) And of course, I always suggest the Kukri :) Random Comments:I like the idea for a dive knife. You will just need a small maglite. Have replacement batteries. Buy some US Mil MRE's off of ebay. about 15-17 dollars (including regular, not interational shipping,) per 6 MRE's. Or, you can get Shure-Pak MRE's, civilian, and cost more, but easier to get internationally. Get an aluminium mess kit. Looks something like: http://outersports.com/aluminum-mess-kit-p-888.html?currency=USD Remember to get dynamic rope. DO NOT GET STATIC ROPE! You will also need a harness, or you can make a swiss seat WITH STATIC ROPE! youll need 15 feet of it. Really good and easy skill, google it. (Might I join you, if you get your massive defense castle up? I can offer quite a few guns, and actually am a good shot. Your plan is amazing.) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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agentaaa |
1. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 11 2009, 5:57 PM EST
First: Unless you are a professional weaponsmith and can make one yourself, I would not know where you could get a kukri.Second: I practice with a baseball bat, and I can hit an object more than 15 times. the bats in perfect condition too(well, not perfect, but no dents, just a little dried mud). Third: I am not sure where I read this, but someone on this wiki said a .22 bullet has a 20%chance to bounce around in the skull. While I doubt that, I have done no testing, so if you can show me proof .22 bullets will always bounce around in the skull, then tell me. Also, if I didn't live so far away, I would join pedro in his fortress of solitude. Do you find this valuable? |
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Whybother08 |
2. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 11 2009, 8:40 PM EST
M1 Carbine and .22 firearms. Aren't those suggestions by the ZSG?
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PedroAsani |
3. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 12 2009, 6:10 AM EST
Ghillie, thanks for taking the time to read the plan.I am English. I will be Bugging In in England (unless circumstances change) and gun laws are far more restrictive over here. As such, I will have to make do with what I have. Fortunately, what I have access to is a huge wood-axe, soon a Titanium crowbar (handy for dive salvaging, since Titanium doesn't spark: important when the boat might have had ruptured tanks on it) and also soon a machete. This will be a nice mix of lightweight melee weapons. Maglites will be one large, one small. Again, the large one doubles as a club. As for MRE's, I prefer to carry something with a bit of taste to it. Sawdust, lint, etc :) Or more likely nutrition bars and such. They only have to last me a short while, and I rotate them regularly. Agent, I said that about the 20% chance, it came from a study done by a coroner of .22 wounds. The x rays showed the ricochet path in the brain, kind of gruesome but cool. Not always, just sometimes do they bounce. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
4. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 12 2009, 11:20 PM EST
I would avoid any rimfire rounds for the sheer fact that they tend to malfunction much more than center fire rounds.Have you ever shot a .22 shot-shell? the pellets barely even penetrate one layer of drywall from five feet away, let alone a skull. Kukris are easy to find, several companies make them, so no, they do not fall solely into the realm of these mythological blacksmiths everybody keeps talking about. crowbars are worth their weight simply because of the dual purpose they can serve as both a weapon and a tool. While here i'd also like to point something else out about M.R.E's. You aren't supposed to eat them for more than two weeks continuously, they preservatives are too hard on your system. They are meant to be supplemental meals, not sole food sources. Do you find this valuable? |
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agentaaa |
5. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 13 2009, 12:06 AM EST
"I would avoid any rimfire rounds for the sheer fact that they tend to malfunction much more than center fire rounds.1. Let's not make this into a "whether .22's break through a skull" thread, as there are already enough of them. 2. Well, if I am mistaken about the kukri, I owe an apology for misinformation, but could you please show me a company that manufactures these. Among other things, they DO look like good combat knives.... Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
6. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 13 2009, 12:14 AM EST
Cold Steel makes several kukris ranging from $30 to about $600.Spyderco makes one called the "rock salt" that is made from a special steel that they claim will never rust. Ka-bar makes one but it has a hollow edge grind and a thinner blade, so i don't personally like it this guy has a few that he's done reviews on http://www.m4040.com/Knifemaking/REVIEWS/BladeEvals.htm Do you find this valuable? |
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chrome456 |
7. RE: Crowbar?
Nov 13 2009, 12:15 AM EST
I would see why you would think these other weapons more formidable for zombies. However, the crowbar and a baseball bat and other objects of melee proficiency all require a different skill. It depends on how you use the weapon, B. The actual weapons specs(I have seen a crowbar thats small and very useful for hitting things on target) C. How used to the weapon you are(Aka your practise and start-off talent) and D. What your aiming at (hitting the ground or wall is a bit easier than say hitting a moving zombie.) Do you find this valuable? |