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koinz04
So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:07 PM EST
Just so everyone knows I've given this a great deal of thought. Everyone says that populated areas are the absolute worst for a zombie attack. I beg to differ. I live in a one bedroom apartment in Arlington, VA with my girlfriend and our dog. We live on the sixth floor and there is one door from the hall and one onto our balcony (which has about 1.5 inches of glass). The way our apartment is set up the hall door opens into the foyer. There is a little bit over 5 feet between the hall door and a solid wall. My refrigerator will fit perfectly horizontally in this space leaving almost no room for the door to swing in. I also have quite the arsenal for living in a city (SIG 556, Glock 21, SIG P220, Mossberg 835, and a S&W .38). With enough stockpile I could literally live here for years.

On our 5th floor terrace there is tons of dirt to plant seeds, and if worse came to worse I could build an emergency zip line out of the window to the park across the street. I think that most of these zombie survival plans underestimate the resourcefulness of the average Libertarian. I'm a former Marine and I know of many people (mostly military) in my building that I think would survive. Due to these factors I think my apartment building would make quite the stronghold.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
1. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:20 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:23 PM EST
Well opinions are like a&$holes.....Everybody has one.

Sounds like a good enough plan to me. Where did you read that every member here believes that you couldn't survive in the city? One of the most respected members here plans to survive in the city where he is most comfortable. It will be harder but not impossible.

Only thing is Devil's plan is much more realistic and practical than yours. Never stop revising and improving your plan. The perfect plan is at the end of a long road. You've just pulled out of the driveway.

Welcome to the site. You'll have fun here.
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koinz04
2. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:27 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:27 PM EST
I hate to post to my own posting, but I have another issue with a lot of these survival theories. I keep seeing people's survival kits that have all this s*it, a rifle, a handgun, and like four magazines. Do people really not understand that magazines are the difference between life and death? Take a full combat load; 6+1 magazines just for the rifle. That's 210 rounds (most likely 198 to prevent jams). If you have 2 mags for a rifle and 2 mags for a pistol that's at best 90ish rounds. Damn it people wake up. Magazines are what separate the living from the dead. It takes me 23 seconds to load a magazine of 8 .45 cal rounds (I just tried it twice; I’m a little drunk though). What are you going to do when a zombie is breaking through your door? Call a timeout? Stockpile mags and water. The rest of the s*it is for kicks. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
a-cat-ate-my-zombie
a-cat-ate-my-zombie
3. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:29 PM EST
I completely 100% agree. In fact my entire Z-Day survival plan relies on staying in the city, mostly because the resources are far superior- radio broadcasting facilities and a biochemistry lab are within easy walking distance of my house, and a dozen cruise ships are docked on the other side of town (a couple hours' walk away).

If I stayed at my old home in the middle of nowhere there'd be less food, supplies, and communication with the outside world; but more zombies, since everyone will leave the city in a panic once the outbreak starts, bringing the virus with them. Also I would genuinely rather die than go back to living in a place with more farm animals than humans.
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koinz04
4. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:35 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:36 PM EST
Timberrattlers are like d!ckhe@ds...no one likes them. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
5. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:36 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:36 PM EST
Well now your bunching us all up into a sterotypical pile. I personally don't own a firearm which takes a magazine so I don't fall into your myoptic group of assualt rifle warriors. Thats not me.

I don't need an assualt rifle to survive. Thats for the folks who believe that the one with the highest body count of zombies wins. I haven't figured out how they came to this conclusion but it seems to be kinda popular here. I just want to survive.
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mudroll
mudroll
6. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:37 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:37 PM EST
While having lots of magazines are handy they will still run out. Most peoples plans are based on avoiding zombies and there fore not staying in a place for a prolonged period of time. They don't carry around a lot of ammo because they don't intend on using a lot.
Your plan though seems sound but just think of this. How do you intend on getting supplies such as water or food after the hydro goes out. Guns aren't all that matters as well. You can have as many guns as you want, but all it takes is one accident or malfunction for you to get $(#&# over.
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mudroll
mudroll
7. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:38 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:38 PM EST
"Well now your bunching us all up into a sterotypical pile. I personally don't own a firearm which takes a magazine so I don't fall into your myoptic group of assualt rifle warriors. Thats not me.

I don't need an assualt rifle to survive. Thats for the folks who believe that the one with the highest body count of zombies wins. I haven't figured out how they came to this conclusion but it seems to be kinda popular here. I just want to survive."
No. Most of the people who plan to carry guns on Z-day are for protection from raiders or Zeds if they can't get out of the situation. Others are idiots though and want to go Rambo.
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
8. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:39 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:39 PM EST
"Timberrattlers are like d!ckhe@ds...no one likes them."
Wow.. choking up on your own ego here high speed?

Timber's just trying to help out here... grow a thicker set of Upper Dermuse, and let's try this again...


I agree, I'm in the City. I'm sticking with what I know. I can survive out in the woods pretty well... but I'm stacking my chips in the area I have intimate knowledge of... which, IMO, is a smart choice...
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agentaaa
agentaaa
9. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:40 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:40 PM EST
"I hate to post to my own posting, but I have another issue with a lot of these survival theories. I keep seeing people's survival kits that have all this s*it, a rifle, a handgun, and like four magazines. Do people really not understand that magazines are the difference between life and death? Take a full combat load; 6+1 magazines just for the rifle. That's 210 rounds (most likely 198 to prevent jams). If you have 2 mags for a rifle and 2 mags for a pistol that's at best 90ish rounds. Damn it people wake up. Magazines are what separate the living from the dead. It takes me 23 seconds to load a magazine of 8 .45 cal rounds (I just tried it twice; I’m a little drunk though). What are you going to do when a zombie is breaking through your door? Call a timeout? Stockpile mags and water. The rest of the s*it is for kicks."
First, I have no problem with swearing, but with the vast amount the post fells angry at everyone who reads it. Your point is right in the essentials though. In my town of 3500, if 40% become zombies, that is 1400 zombies. In a city, population density is more. Methinks one would need more than 40 bullets, hmmm.
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mudroll
mudroll
10. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:41 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:41 PM EST
I would stay in the city as well, but unfortunately I don't have the supplies to outlast or defend a "base" properly against raiders or Zeds. I have no ranged weapons like guns or bows. Do you find this valuable?    

koinz04
11. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:42 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:42 PM EST
"Well now your bunching us all up into a sterotypical pile. I personally don't own a firearm which takes a magazine so I don't fall into your myoptic group of assualt rifle warriors. Thats not me.

I don't need an assualt rifle to survive. Thats for the folks who believe that the one with the highest body count of zombies wins. I haven't figured out how they came to this conclusion but it seems to be kinda popular here. I just want to survive."
Well stereotypes are a real time saver. While you reload your piece of sh*t .357 I'll be pumping .556 through everything in my sight; including your horses. I don't think that "high body counts make winners." I think surviving makes a winner; and just because you can't afford an assault rifle doesn't mean they aren't better than a revolver.
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mudroll
mudroll
12. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:43 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:43 PM EST
"First, I have no problem with swearing, but with the vast amount the post fells angry at everyone who reads it. Your point is right in the essentials though. In my town of 3500, if 40% become zombies, that is 1400 zombies. In a city, population density is more. Methinks one would need more than 40 bullets, hmmm."
Only if they plan on going Rambo. Or if they have an organized firing squad. People don't plan on picking fights. It's stupid with normal people or zombies.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
13. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:44 PM EST
"Timberrattlers are like d!ckhe@ds...no one likes them."
Now was that really neccessary? What brought that on?

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mudroll
mudroll
14. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:44 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:44 PM EST
"Well stereotypes are a real time saver. While you reload your piece of sh*t .357 I'll be pumping .556 through everything in my sight; including your horses. I don't think that "high body counts make winners." I think surviving makes a winner; and just because you can't afford an assault rifle doesn't mean they aren't better than a revolver."
Do that and you'll quickly be killed by a better armed group of people. Seriously you don't go around shooting people unless you want to die.
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koinz04
15. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:45 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:45 PM EST
"Now was that really neccessary? What brought that on?

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Your comments about opinions...

And for the record...I don't think I'm Rambo. I think in a logical manner and if I live in a city there are going to be many more zombies than in some Podunk town.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
16. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:47 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:47 PM EST
"Well stereotypes are a real time saver. While you reload your piece of sh*t .357 I'll be pumping .556 through everything in my sight; including your horses. I don't think that "high body counts make winners." I think surviving makes a winner; and just because you can't afford an assault rifle doesn't mean they aren't better than a revolver."
Golly, thats kinda personal isn't it? We're just getting to know each other.

Now take a deep breath and count to ten and lets try this again.
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koinz04
17. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:48 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:48 PM EST
"Do that and you'll quickly be killed by a better armed group of people. Seriously you don't go around shooting people unless you want to die. "
Hey I'm all for grouping together; there is survival in numbers (check my first post at the top). When I said "through everything in sight" I shoul've said "through everything undead in my sight." Apologies.
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mudroll
mudroll
18. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:48 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:50 PM EST
"Your comments about opinions...

And for the record...I don't think I'm Rambo. I think in a logical manner and if I live in a city there are going to be many more zombies than in some Podunk town. "
K sorry was still typing after u had posted.
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koinz04
19. RE: So here's my issue with the whole zombie survival theory...
Nov 12 2009, 11:48 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 12 2009, 11:48 PM EST
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