Sign in to wikis by wetpaint

Sign in or

Location: Weapons and Gear

Discussion: why no silenced section of weaponary?

Category: Discussion Forum / General Discussion

Report thread
Watch thread
Share this

UrXUndeadXGod	why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 19 2009, 10:30 PM EST When zombies have the same senses as we do and possilby more. We must use every advantage we can (our minds, zombies evny our thoughts) so let us be silent to eliminate them hearing us. let us be camoflauged as to make it harder for such zombies to notice us in our enviornments. We must also think of our scent as most still have noses. Let us use are skills to kill, intellegence is our advantage don't do anything to put yourself at risk. Long range is safe range. not like zombies will shoot us with guns lets hope not. they only bite and grab. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
possumblaster	1. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 19 2009, 10:46 PM EST "When zombies have the same senses as we do and possilby more. We must use every advantage we can (our minds, zombies evny our thoughts) so let us be silent to eliminate them hearing us. let us be camoflauged as to make it harder for such zombies to notice us in our enviornments. We must also think of our scent as most still have noses. Let us use are skills to kill, intellegence is our advantage don't do anything to put yourself at risk. Long range is safe range. not like zombies will shoot us with guns lets hope not. they only bite and grab." Well, if you want to make one be professional with it and post it up. It's all community generated content after all. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	2. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 19 2009, 10:47 PM EST Most folks don't have the proper licence for obtaining silencers. I'm cool with camoflauge, blocking scent and staying quiet. As far as long range goes. If I'm far enough away from a zombie to not be noticed I'm not going to announce my presence. I have two varmint rifles that will both reach out to 500 yrds easily. There main purpose will be to deal with the human threat not zombies. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	3. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 1:00 AM EST F&CK suppressors. It falls firmly into the category of "Cool But Useless." I don't know about you guys, but I can't justify the expense for something that I won't get a whole lot of use of. "Tactical" gear, silencers, high end optics... anything of it, I'm just not going to use it frequently enough. Sure, I might splurge and buy a $100 folding pocket knife because I'm going to use it 10-20 times a day, 7 days a week, but only when I know I am getting a far superior tool. Same goes with guns and accessories; I don't mind paying a few hundred bucks to get a reliable and accurate weapon but I refuse to spend over $500 unless I have a damn good reason to spend more. A few great examples: my Ruger P89 isn't as accurate as a Sig P226 but its less than half the price and accurate and reliable enough to do the job. The $500 difference I could spend on something else. My Mosin-Nagant or SKS isn't going to be able to produce the same volume of fire that an AR-15 or AK will, but if I do everything else right I probably won't need to shoot frequently at multiple targets. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	4. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 2:46 AM EST Good point, how much do silencers typically cost? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
possumblaster	5. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 6:24 AM EST "Good point, how much do silencers typically cost?" An el cheapo suppressor is about $600, + the $200 ATF fee. The good suppressors are about $1100, + the $200 ATF fee. www.advancedarmament.com Post reply Do you find this valuable?
ironhand	6. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 6:44 AM EST "An el cheapo suppressor is about $600, + the $200 ATF fee. The good suppressors are about $1100, + the $200 ATF fee. www.advancedarmament.com" It's also pretty much the same process for getting a silencer as getting something full-auto - i.e. sheriff's approve, etc. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
brandon_a_boyer	7. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 8:09 AM EST "It's also pretty much the same process for getting a silencer as getting something full-auto - i.e. sheriff's approve, etc. " It depends on the state's laws http://www.impactguns.com/store/machineguns_legalities.html A SUPPRESSOR generally runs from $600 up to about $2000. This is because there is a $200 fee involved in in the legal construction of one. So if somebody makes one, they generally make the best one possible, hence the increase in cost. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SGTGerman	8. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 8:11 AM EST "F&CK suppressors. It falls firmly into the category of "Cool But Useless." I don't know about you guys, but I can't justify the expense for something that I won't get a whole lot of use of. "Tactical" gear, silencers, high end optics... anything of it, I'm just not going to use it frequently enough. Sure, I might splurge and buy a $100 folding pocket knife because I'm going to use it 10-20 times a day, 7 days a week, but only when I know I am getting a far superior tool. Same goes with guns and accessories; I don't mind paying a few hundred bucks to get a reliable and accurate weapon but I refuse to spend over $500 unless I have a damn good reason to spend more. A few great examples: my Ruger P89 isn't as accurate as a Sig P226 but its less than half the price and accurate and reliable enough to do the job. The $500 difference I could spend on something else. My Mosin-Nagant or SKS isn't going to be able to produce the same volume of fire that an AR-15 or AK will, but if I do everything else right I probably won't need to shoot frequently at multiple targets." Yeah I suppose but I wouldn't turn one down if I could have one or just found one some how. Especially if you're trapped in the city or zombie populated area. I could think of a few scenerios where it could come in very handy. But I suppose its one of these items that can only be good in a rae circumstances. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
possumblaster	9. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Nov 20 2009, 9:16 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 20 2009, 9:20 AM EST "But I suppose its one of these items that can only be good in a rae circumstances. " Using suppressors actually makes your gun more accurate. Suppressors only truly "silence" subsonic ammo. However, if you use regular ammo through a silencer, it will still be load from the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Since silencers peel the gas blast away from the bullet and control the expansion (takes longer for all of the high pressure gas to exit the barrel), it makes it more accurate. So, you can have a long range rifle, with a silencer and your normal ammunition, and have more accuracy with the same amount of power. Despite what video games say, silencers do not decrease the power of your weapon. The only thing that reduces the power of your weapon is using subsonic ammo, which is required for silenced firing. The crack of the bullet is louder than the sound of the powder charge. If I could I would put a suppressor on every weapon I own, even if I wasn't using subsonic ammo. I think I am going to start a new thread on this topic (how suppressors work). Couldn't find one in search. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
CrackRocks	10. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 1 2010, 2:21 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2010, 2:21 PM EST I feel sorry for you guys in the states with all the hassle of owning a suppressor/silencer. Here in New Zealand I can go down to the local gun store and buy a 22lr hush puppy for like $50NZD ($34.99USD) and then shoot my 22 in the backyard without "annoying or menacing" the neighbours lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Red_Fog	11. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 1 2010, 2:54 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2010, 2:54 PM EST "Using suppressors actually makes your gun more accurate. Suppressors only truly "silence" subsonic ammo. However, if you use regular ammo through a silencer, it will still be load from the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Since silencers peel the gas blast away from the bullet and control the expansion (takes longer for all of the high pressure gas to exit the barrel), it makes it more accurate. So, you can have a long range rifle, with a silencer and your normal ammunition, and have more accuracy with the same amount of power. Despite what video games say, silencers do not decrease the power of your weapon. The only thing that reduces the power of your weapon is using subsonic ammo, which is required for silenced firing. The crack of the bullet is louder than the sound of the powder charge. If I could I would put a suppressor on every weapon I own, even if I wasn't using subsonic ammo. I think I am going to start a new thread on this topic (how suppressors work). Couldn't find one in search." True, I often see a lot of misunderstanding of how suppressors work thanks to their new found popularity in video games. Most kids think you put a suppressor on any gun using any ammunition, it'll make it super quiet, but as you said this isn't true. When using supersonic ammo (i.e. most typical ammo) the main benefits of a suppressor are increased accuracy, reduced muzzle flash, and it distorts the sound of the gunshot making it less recognizable, though most people will still realize it's a gun shot. It does add a lot of barrel length though, which could be a problem in CQB, and in some guns can throw off the center of gravity. As with all equipment, there are positives and negatives to suppressors, but so many kids want to be tacticool mall ninjas and don't realize what suppressors actually do. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mudroll	12. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 1 2010, 6:11 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2010, 6:11 PM EST "I feel sorry for you guys in the states with all the hassle of owning a suppressor/silencer. Here in New Zealand I can go down to the local gun store and buy a 22lr hush puppy for like $50NZD ($34.99USD) and then shoot my 22 in the backyard without "annoying or menacing" the neighbours lol." I wonder how you feel about the countries where most people can't even own guns. And to the main poster owning a silencer includes a crapload of things such as getting a liscence and stuff. Most people won't own a silencer as well, because well there's no practical use for it right now. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
herrteufelhund	13. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 1 2010, 6:22 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2010, 6:22 PM EST Lol I run a Yankee Hill suppresor on one of my 10.5 inch ARs so if I bust somebody up in the night I don't lose hearing from the gun shot it does a good enough job that I don;t wear hearing protection at the range when I use 77 grain TAP.... Like I said I have problems lol. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
possumblaster	14. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 1 2010, 8:17 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 1 2010, 8:17 PM EST "Lol I run a Yankee Hill suppresor on one of my 10.5 inch ARs so if I bust somebody up in the night I don't lose hearing from the gun shot it does a good enough job that I don;t wear hearing protection at the range when I use 77 grain TAP.... Like I said I have problems lol." Do you have any 77 gr TAP subsonic loads? My subsonic stuff is REALLY quiet. I know you know your stuff, but just curious on if you are using or have used subsonic ammo. I have load data for subsonic 62 gr if you want it. They have to be manually cycled though. I'd like to work up a 75 gr A-MAX in subsonic. Hopefully the bullet would be heavy enough to allow enough powder to cycle the bolt. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
byates	15. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 3 2010, 12:00 AM EST Some good info here http://guns.connect.fi/gow/gunwriters.html The really good info seems to be in Finnish, but most is in English also. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
John_234	16. RE: why no silenced section of weaponary? Mar 3 2010, 12:33 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 3 2010, 12:34 AM EST "Using suppressors actually makes your gun more accurate. Suppressors only truly "silence" subsonic ammo. However, if you use regular ammo through a silencer, it will still be load from the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Since silencers peel the gas blast away from the bullet and control the expansion (takes longer for all of the high pressure gas to exit the barrel), it makes it more accurate. So, you can have a long range rifle, with a silencer and your normal ammunition, and have more accuracy with the same amount of power. Despite what video games say, silencers do not decrease the power of your weapon. The only thing that reduces the power of your weapon is using subsonic ammo, which is required for silenced firing. The crack of the bullet is louder than the sound of the powder charge. If I could I would put a suppressor on every weapon I own, even if I wasn't using subsonic ammo. I think I am going to start a new thread on this topic (how suppressors work). Couldn't find one in search." Actually, some suppressors do just that. The MP5-SD, for example, drains gas from ammunition to bring it down to subsonic level, meaning you can run it with full-power 9mm Parabellum. It is quite a large suppressor, but is also said to be very low maintenance. EDIT: Grammar fail. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

JavaScript must be enabled in order for you to contribute to this site.
To start contributing, enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, then try again.

Home