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byates |
Natural pain killer
Dec 13 2009, 5:43 PM EST
Papaver somniferum or the Opium Poppy. Legal to grow, easy to extract the sap. Very low tech operation, sap can be used raw, dried, or in a tincture. For more informationhttp://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy.shtml for seeds http://www.amazon.com/White-Poppy-Peshwar-Papaver-Somniferum/dp/B000SONX0W or just do a google search for Papaver somniferum seeds for sale Caution, in many people the sap is mildly to strongly addictive. Also, the sap is an effective cough suppressant and a good diarrhea treatment. Do you find this valuable?
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LJ126 |
1. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 13 2009, 5:47 PM EST
Is it really legal to grow?
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brandon_a_boyer |
2. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 13 2009, 9:32 PM EST
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Its perfectly legal to grow but when you harvest the sap you are seriously breaking the law. Byates is describing how to harvest opium, which is illegal in most countries and is a source of the following drugs.And there is no mildly addictive, opium is highly addictive and is very easy to overdose on. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/08/090810-afghanistan-opium-video-ap.html Codeine, Morphine, Heroin, oxycodone, Hydrocodone, and a whole slough of other drugs are all extracted from opium. I advise that this thread be deleted. Do you find this valuable? |
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byates |
3. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 13 2009, 10:52 PM EST
Illegal to harvest the sap now, but not post Z-Day. Might be smart to have a few poppies in the flower bed, harvest the seeds for the next generation, never know when they might be useful.I stand by my statement that it is mildly addictive, most people can use it for weeks at a stretch without becoming addicted. Weekend users stay weekend users, much less addictive than tobacco or alcohol. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
4. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 13 2009, 11:20 PM EST
The goal post-zday is to not be a zombie, which is exactly what you'll turn into if you use opium to "manage pain", you watch that video and tell me that its not addictive.
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byates |
5. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 14 2009, 6:24 PM EST
"The goal post-zday is to not be a zombie, which is exactly what you'll turn into if you use opium to "manage pain", you watch that video and tell me that its not addictive."I said it was addictive to begin with. And, I implied that it does take prolonged use for most people to become addicted. Being dangerous is not a reason to ignore the usefulness of an item. Do you find this valuable? |
DLOWTHEMAD |
6. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 14 2009, 7:23 PM EST
The best way I can think of to state the addictiveness of opium is this (please note: If you have problems with addiction don't even try it, opiates are considered very addictive by the FDA): Use it once every two weeks and your ok Use it once a week and your playing with fire More than that and your gonna have Detox issues(physical addiction) Give in to the physical addiction and your gonna be using it till you run out or go to rehab Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
7. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 14 2009, 8:01 PM EST
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Hmm... Interesting. It has various food uses as well, and poppyseed oil is supposedly a wunderfood of sorts, like coconut oil. While its (apparently) illegal to grow in the United States, it remains unenforced because the flowers are pretty and the seeds are readily used for food. Regarding its legality, I'm willing to wager that if any individual grew a bunch of it in one area or purchased a large amount of seeds at once, the DEA would be paying the farmer a visit. That means that growing it in your garden with other flowering plants will likely not yield any attention from the law enforcement types, but having a garden of poppy is likely going to wind you up in the clink. I wonder how aspirin is made? Do you find this valuable? |
livingdeadman |
8. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 14 2009, 11:33 PM EST
Aspirin originally came from the bark of willow trees.
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byates |
9. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 14 2009, 11:54 PM EST
"The best way I can think of to state the addictiveness of opium is this (please note: If you have problems with addiction don't even try it, opiates are considered very addictive by the FDA):I have used opiates for over a month straight for pain, and quit with no problems. Everyone is different, different tolerances, different reactions. Do you find this valuable? |
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DLOWTHEMAD |
10. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 15 2009, 12:54 AM EST
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This is true, I know. My experiences with opiates were no where near as good. I ended up with a huge bill for rehab to quit them. One thing you have to remember with non-medical grade opiates is the impurities can add to the addictiveness. Just because someone could use say Oxycontin, doesn't mean they won't get addicted to raw opium. I'm not dissing your suggestion, honestly I have poppy seeds in my BoB for just the reason you described. The medicines we are so used to using to survive aren't gonna be there anymore. So I think it's prudent to have something available.I want everyone to realize that raw opium is way different from morphine and other pharmaceutical grade opiates. It is a hallucinogen, and when used in dosages strong enough to impede serious pain, puts the patient into a semi-coma. It works, and may be all that's available, but it is dangerous. I get several patients a year that OD on raw opium and Heroin, and there's no going back from my office. Basically don't use it without a doctor or an experienced user to guide you. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
11. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 15 2009, 3:42 AM EST
"I have used opiates for over a month straight for pain, and quit with no problems. Everyone is different, different tolerances, different reactions."Opiates are not the same thing as opium, as DLOWTHEMAD pointed out, it is incredibly easy to overdose on opium. Just because somebody can take a few shots of morphine or vicodin doesn't mean that you can chase the dragon and walk away. There are whole villages in Afghanistan that are addicted to opium because it's the only pain med they have access to. The parents buy opium before they buy food. Babies are born constantly crying from opium addiction untill their parents blow opium smoke in their faces. People grow sick from malnourishment and yet they still smoke more. You watch that video with the 4 year old boy smoking opium and tell me that its "mildly addictive". Do you find this valuable? |
necroslaughter |
12. RE: Natural pain killer
Dec 15 2009, 4:52 PM EST
The kid would likely be alive today if not for the fact he made a major mistake a cardinal sin of using opiates he mixed them with a benzo-alprazolam. He may have OD'd and survived had he not taken a second drug. There is no LD 50 (Lethal Dose that kills 50% of those who take it) for opiates. There is no ceiling. Your body can have a tolerance to 2,000mgs of Morphine if that is what you build it up to. There is a sad lack of understanding about opiates in the medical community. I know this from talking to professors and MDs who teach at our medical school. I have heard it so many times from the profs that teach pharmacology and now a whole new field called addiction meds there is a huge lack of understanding about opiates. Very sad. I think the tea is supposed to be nasty, never tried it, and take a lot to keep down.
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