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AlexHigginbotham |
ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 10:48 AM EST
im going to be maining my ruger mini-14 tactical. Very reliable, low recoil, accurate, moderately quiet compared to many rifle rounds, and with its light weight its not to cumbersome to comfortably run with. I dont see the point of automatic weapons, I have a lot of experience with sub machine guns and light machine guns, and for the most part your only going to get 1-2 accurate rounds. In a world where headshots count, a fast, light, and accurate semi auto rifle is going to really show its worth. It is extremely upgradable to fit almost any person who picks it up, it stands up well to the weather when cleaned properly (yes, when you are in a safe zone one of your highest priorities should be the condition of your firearm and aple time should be taken for proper cleaning and oiling). Clip sizes range from 10-15-30 and up to 150 rounds.Sidearm wise im most likely going with a modified (sawed off, waiting for martial law to be called before i do it) side by side 12GA shotgun. Yes it sounds cliche, but shotgun ammunition is WIDELY avalable, and it is a very reliable "oh ****" weapon. Aside from that I would expect to carry a number of pistols, depending on what ammunition i can raid. Idealy i would like to carry a FN five-seven. The 5.7x28mm round is very rare, which sucks, but is an extremely accurate and deadly round, even in FMJ. I would have to keep a .45, 9mm, and .38 avalable because of how widely used the ammunition is, preferable all Glock. I dont like Glock, but its easy to get extended clips and the more polymer parts means less rust and mechanical failure. Personally, I love revolvers, but automatic pistols are going to be a must for reloading purposed. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
LJ126 |
1. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 11:20 AM EST
Cool, but let me share a few gun tips because you don't sound like a pro. There are no .38 Glock handguns. .38 Special is a rimmed revolver cartridge. Not to nitpick, but the Ruger Mini-14 is fed by a magazine, not a clip. There's a big difference between the two, and using the correct terminology shows proficiency. Common factory magazines for the Mini-14 are 20 round capacity, and they're expensive - there are aftermarket magazines available but only some of them are any good.Bear in mind as well that this is a sizable amount of money invested into your firearms; most Mini-14 new will run for about $600-700, maybe more. Backup magazines will be extra. An FN Five-seveN will run for about $700+. A shotgun can be picked up pretty cheaply, but in my opinion there's no need to chop the stock and barrel. Figure $275-500 new. Worst case scenario, you'll be paying in excess of $2500 for weapons WITHOUT AMMO. I could suggest a few less expensive alternatives if that price isn't acceptable to you... Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
2. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 2:05 PM EST
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I'm already set on the weapons. Picked up the mini-14 used for $400 a couple years ago. The Five-seven is closer to $900-$1000 and i dont intend on buying one, was just saying as "best case scenario" type thing. I have a Mossberg 500 Persuader, but i wouldnt want to use it as a secondary because even with the shortest legal barrel length at 18in and no butt stock, its to long if something is in my face. The whole clip/magazine thing, i got off work at 3am, little tired, my mistake. I currently only have 4 30 round magazines, which i got from cheaper than dirt for roughly $9 each. The 100 round drum is upwards of $300, but ive kept an eye out on gunbroker to find a cheaper one. When i said .38 i was refering to the Glock 25 and 28 chambered in .380 auto, wasnt paying attention while typing, sorry again. All of this would refer to looting anyway because the only pistols I own at the moment are a S&W M&P .40 and a S&W Night Guard .44mag, which is why i mentioned revolvers. Myself and my party are already well stocked on ammunition (aside from the .44mag, very hard to find right now). Our choice rifles have +1000 rounds and between the 5 of us there are 2 shotguns with 600 2-3/4 00 buckshot Wolf shells, that is when we resupply, because every couple weeks we get bored and shoot down small trees. I dont want to sound like im being an ******* with my response but i kind of felt like i needed to defend my credibility after that. Edit: Before you nock buying $9 magazines, they have all had 700+ rounds through them and I've yet to have a problem. Living in a military town also provides plenty of surplus in a pinch. Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
3. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 3:19 PM EST
"I dont want to sound like im being an ******* with my response but i kind of felt like i needed to defend my credibility after that."No need to get defensive, I wasn't talking down to you; I was hoping that you can see where I'm coming from. We get a lot of "wanna be" gun enthusiasts here at the ZSDW. Most of them are typically aged between 13 and 20 and haven't ever touched a rifle before and don't know the difference between rimfire and centerfire, or what I'm referring to when I say those terms. The funny part is that they spout off like they know what they're talking about, but to those of us with lots of experience, it gets OLD. The clip thing erks me badly, and its usually that the hallmark of a video game gun expert, ya know? Nothing personal, but a few mistakes (regardless of reason) tends to tick us gun folk a little "off." Your credibility is safe brother, I didn't mean to offend you. It doesn't help that these are all weapons from that online MMORPG zombie game (I can't think of the name of it right now...) It's just an odd coincidence, I assume. I've had nothing but bad experience with cheap Ruger mags, barring Mecgar - those have been super reliable for me in every platform - 10/22, P series handguns, Mini 14, etc. Those cost me more like $15 a pop and were well worth it. In fact, my little Beretta 950B has a Mecgar mag that works well too. Its the only company that makes "off brand" mags that I trust. Good choice, rolling with the Mossberg 500. I own its Mexican manufactured but US assembled brother, the Maverick 88 security. They're basically the same thing but they've got different safeties and trigger mechanisms. I think I've got mine pictured on my profile...? I installed a Pachmayr "Vindicator" pistol grip on it too, which is hand-friendlier. What kind of sidearm you rolling with? Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
4. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 4:42 PM EST
No worries, i totally see where your coming from and ill keep and eye out on the whole "clip" thing, thats a pretty good read now that i think about it.A zombie MMORPG? Try and remember the name of it and get back to me, I'de deffinetly be interested in checking it out. I actually got introduced to the Five-seveN through a guy I work with. He went out and blew $1,400 on a used PS90, and I started doing a little research on the 5.7x28mm round. The PS90 is trash in my opinion but I really like the round, especially for anti personnel. The biggest problem i see with people having problems with cheap magazines is just poor trigger pull, especially with the Glock. Timid shooters like to short stroke the trigger, which likes to cause double feeds. Obviously since they played Left for Dead, it can't be them, its obviously a problem with the gun or magazine, lol. Not saying that applies to you at all, but they have worked well for me. I dont know if clear magazines are avalable for the mini-14, but ive been searching all over for them, and im willing to pay big bucks. No matter how much training you do, trying to count rounds for a hot reload is only easy when your target is a piece of paper. I'll get some pictures up with the ruger and 500 when i get the chance. Sidearm wise, if the call went out today, ide be stuck with my S&W Model SW40GVE. It's really a great pistol, but I'm looking for something in .357 Sig. One of my party members has a pretty good stockpile of pistols, and he prefers his .357mag ladysmith, but ill be sure to call him and tell him to bring his Sig P229. Just kidding, 2 gold plated DE .50's, Accuracy International Arctic Warfare sniper rifle (counter strike style) with laser sight, quadropod, 700x scope, and detachable katana bayonet, a HK USP .45 tactical with Metal Gear Solid silencer and infared laser, and my green beret uncles NVGs. Do you find this valuable? |
Hell_raiser101 |
5. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:06 PM EST
Was the MMORPG possibly dead frontier? Really, you too? Though I'm going to be sporting Dante from DMC's sword and his guns, along with Agent 47's twin handguns...Yep, I gotta go big time or not go at all. I don't have much to contribute to this thread to be honest... Okay, that description is a bit scary to be honest, saying as I could be confused or taken as one of the wannabe gun experts... I'll be straight up with you, I don't know nearly as much as I wish I did, to be honest I still don't know the difference between center fire and rim-fire... I don't know enough to preach or educate anyone on this site unless they are seriously in need of gun knowlege, which most on this site already have. Thats one of the things I laugh about, I came from a site of which I was and still am the gun expert, to a site where I was and still am the gun noob. So I sit outside of gun convos mostly, to keep out of the supposed keyboard commando lable and because I don't know enough. Anyway, back to the topic. Why are semi autos going to be a must? Couldn't speed loaders work just as well as mags? Granted they can't hold as much ammo, but revolvers tend to have better firepower than the semi autos, along with being more reliable. There is less room for failure, less room for a part to mess up. Plus with revolvers you can eliminate two rounds at once...Get a Taurus "Judge" and you will be able to shoot 410 shotgun shells AND .45 rounds. Get a a.357 and you can do.38 special. I may not be a gun pro, but I don't see whats so bad about the .357. Thats going to be my pistol of choice come z-day (Well hopefully one of them and NO I AM NOT GOING JOHN WOO). Its pretty effective from what I can see, looks pretty accurate and nice to be honest. My parents have one, I hope to shoot it next (Continue) Do you find this valuable? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
6. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:10 PM EST
time we go out for target practice. Then again I am pretty biased, I was raised to the concept that the gun is the best revolver ever..I am starting to wonder the truth to that, or if its just because the .357 is practicly the family round..Almost everyone in my fathers, fathers side has atleast one .357...That we can track at least. Anyone hear anything about its capability to go through an engine block? Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
7. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:16 PM EST
My buddy had a S&W Sigma .40 a few years back. It's actually surprisingly nice, especially given its low price tag. They're reasonably accurate and from what I've seen, reasonably reliable too. He only put about 1000 rounds total through it before trading it off but from what I remember it was pretty good. Nice to carry too because of it's light weight.Oh, I remember the name of it, its called "Dead Frontier." For a while there were a bunch of players from this site but I've not played in a very long time. It's a browser game but I found it to be pretty addictive. They've got some inaccuracies in it regarding ammo types and such but they might have corrected them since I last played, which was a LONG time ago. If you're looking for something in .357 Sig, my first suggestion is a S&W M&P but I'm sure others will suggest other handguns. They're expensive, but well worth the investment. I was duly impressed by it. The ergonomics and feel of the trigger were both very nice. I preferred the 9mm variant when fired side-by-side because I could fire faster follow up shots with it but I'm sure if I had time to get used to .357 Sig it'd grow on me. It didn't help that the .357 sig M&P that I fired was a tiny little compact... Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
8. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:30 PM EST
"The 357 magnum is the handgun round by which all others are judged and most often are found wanting. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
9. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:33 PM EST
Lol, you a .357 fan as well I am assuming? Oh also, I apologise for the error. I know that .357's come in other deals than revolvers, its just that my parents is a revolver so thats what I instantly think of when I think .357..my bad.
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LJ126 |
10. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 5:59 PM EST
"Lol, you a .357 fan as well I am assuming? Oh also, I apologise for the error. I know that .357's come in other deals than revolvers, its just that my parents is a revolver so thats what I instantly think of when I think .357..my bad.".357 Mag is a great round, its a little different than .357 Sig but they're both great. A guy I know hunts deer with a Rossi .357 mag revolver very effectively. The nicest thing to me about .357 magnum is that you can shoot 38 special through it too, but not vice versa, because .357 magnum is like a ramped-up 38 Spl with a bigger case. This increases its potential considerably because both are very common. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something Hell_Raiser101, because you openly admit it. Not everyone has exposure to firearms from a young age, especially in this day and age. However, that can be fixed easily. Fixing a mall ninja is hard because they already know everything! Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
11. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 6:37 PM EST
On the whole revolver thing, don't get me wrong, I love revolvers, when I rarely do carry it's a S&W Night Guard .44 mag. In the long run they are the more reliable weapon, but, I'm ***** with a speedloader. I prefer how much easier it is to store a clip compared to a speedloader. I use a revolver now because I will more than like not have to use more than a couple round in a civil altercation. I would prefer the piece of mind of having 24 more shots between reloads.There are 2 reasons I prefer the 357 sig to 9mm. 1. .357 Sig, on average, leaves the barrel roughly 200-300 fps faster than 9mm 2. I have a lot of training on the Baretta M9, and it put a bad taste in my mouth for 9mm. I hate that pistol so much. Do you find this valuable? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
12. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 6:48 PM EST
".357 Mag is a great round, its a little different than .357 Sig but they're both great. A guy I know hunts deer with a Rossi .357 mag revolver very effectively. I have been exposed to firearms though, just not a wide variety or anything, or really that much knowledge besides the basics..Eh, I think I know a good ammount for being thirteen. Is the ammo shortage still in effect? Last time we searched for ammo at stores, they were all sold out of .357 and .38 special. Multiple visits and we can't find the stuff anywhere...I mean all the way from several Wal-mart's, to Bass pro shop several times, to Academy.. The stuff around on your end? I am still in the process of learning how to aim with open sights, all I know is allign the sights...I can hit the target alot of the time, just can't control if the bullet goes lower or higher or anything of that good stuff. I am still younge though...With age comes experiance, with experiance comes knowledge. Do you find this valuable? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
13. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 6:57 PM EST
"On the whole revolver thing, don't get me wrong, I love revolvers, when I rarely do carry it's a S&W Night Guard .44 mag. In the long run they are the more reliable weapon, but, I'm ***** with a speedloader. I prefer how much easier it is to store a clip compared to a speedloader. I use a revolver now because I will more than like not have to use more than a couple round in a civil altercation. I would prefer the piece of mind of having 24 more shots between reloads. Nice, how is the .44? They look like nice pistols, also look like they can pack a punch. Store? I do agree it is a bit bulky, but if you carry on a shoulder holster, they have shoulder holsters for sale, that I've even seen on cheaper than dirt, that hold a speed-loader pouch. If I were you, and its probably the idiot and youngeness in me, I would carry two if you absolutely wanted a semi auto. I don't know about you, but the thought at the back of your head that one wrong move and the bullet could jam your gun and make your weapon little more than a paper weight, would kill me. Even if it be a glock, I'd atleast carry a .38 snubnose in your boot or something as a back-up. If you are going to need 24 shots between reloads, no reason why a back-up gun is un-needed. Sounds like it would be a pretty dangerous situation to me... Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
14. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 7:07 PM EST
"I have been exposed to firearms though, just not a wide variety or anything, or really that much knowledge besides the basics..Eh, I think I know a good ammount for being thirteen.Ammo is pretty easy to find here. The prices are still ridiculous and for no reason now because stocks are replenished; I think the shops are keeping the price up to keep everyone from rushing in to buy all of their stock again. Do you find this valuable? |
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Hell_raiser101 |
15. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 7:10 PM EST
"Ammo is pretty easy to find here. The prices are still ridiculous and for no reason now because stocks are replenished; I think the shops are keeping the price up to keep everyone from rushing in to buy all of their stock again." Nice, thanks for the info. I'll tell my dad and next time me and my folks are in the big city, we might be able to stop off and get some ammo, or atleast check the status. Can someone tell me if that backup .38 idea made me look as stupid as I felt once I read it? Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
16. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 7:12 PM EST
Oh there will be some tricks up my sleeve, I will more than like carry a couple pistols aside from my go-to secondary.Ammunition is scarce here too, even with hunting loads. I had to go to 3 gun stores and a walmart to find a box of .270 corelokts this year. .44 mag I even harder to find. I don't know if it's people stocking up or the government regulations are getting tighter. My buddy bought 2000 rounds for his dragunov off some surplus website for a good price. We have had a couple miss fires with them, but at the distances he bought it for a misfeed isn't a matter of life and death. Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
17. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 7:16 PM EST
No u didn't sound stupid, and to answer your question, the night guard is a little hard to control, but u only need 1 semi accurate shot with a 44 to get any living person off you. I've been practicing hip firing and lap firing with it, mostly aiming for the stomach/chest. I've been car jacked twice.
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Hell_raiser101 |
18. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 7:43 PM EST
"No u didn't sound stupid, and to answer your question, the night guard is a little hard to control, but u only need 1 semi accurate shot with a 44 to get any living person off you. I've been practicing hip firing and lap firing with it, mostly aiming for the stomach/chest. I've been car jacked twice."Twice, eh? Hopefully not since you have had this with you? I've heard that the .44 has a lot of knock-back but not very much penetration, is that true? Do you find this valuable? |
500mag |
19. RE: ranch rifle
Dec 15 2009, 8:06 PM EST
I would think twice about the Mini 14. It is not an accurate weapon. Even the new "Accurized" target model only boasts 3 MOA, and that is from a bench in a vise! That means at 200yds it will put 2 rds in a 6" circle. I can get that close with a good revolver.
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