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Hell_raiser101
Hell_raiser101
Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:18 PM EST
Okay, this is a scenario and I want you to answer with opinions, thoughts, and hopefully positive feedback regarding my thread making ability, though not holding my breath on the last : p

This is the scenario:

Raiders attacked your compound / your convoy the day or two before, you were low on food as it was and if you had a garden, it was ruined in the fight or it didn't grow well this year. Your group managed to force the raiders to retreat, though they are surely waiting in a nearby area, and gathering some numbers to attack again. Some of your group died, many were injured, and you don't have much medical supplies.

A lot of your ammo was used in defending it, and the morale of your team is at an all-time low, children crying because one parent is dead and the other is bleeding to death, a mere piece of cloth covering the wound which is soaked in blood, maybe some children needing insulin to survive, and other members needing key medical supplies to survive.

You and three other adults/people who are not children were not injured, one being the person who monitors the radio. In some sort of miracle, a mega-colony had a train load of supplies being shipped from the city to a new area they are going to use as a colony, area. Your team overhears the destination and the trains location, getting the location, maps, and checks the gas tanks of the vehicles that aren't too damaged to drive, discovering they don't have enough gas to make it to the location.

The train holds medical supplies, medical equipment, ammo, weapons, gas, food, and building materials, possibly even vehicles and parts, (Keep going until your hearts content.) and even a giant moving base if you know how to use the train.

-Continuing-
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Hell_raiser101
Hell_raiser101
1. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:20 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:23 PM EST
-Continued-


You know the raiding group will be back any day with more numbers, you also know many of the group may not make it past the day, and that the group is no shape to combat the raiders in these conditions.

You have five options now...

A. Stay there until the raiders come and try to hold them off with the very little you have, hoping for the best.


B. Load everybody and everything up on the few surviving vehicles, driving until you run out of gas and the tires quit turning, then continuing on foot..

C. Ask if the raiders will spare your lives, even though they have good reason to still be angry over the loss of their men, and some of their stuff as well.

D. Ask the train to stop and pick you up, even though its fully aware of raiders being in the area and how tricky they are.

E. Raid the train.

Yep, thats right. I said raid the train..

You do not have enough supplies to make it to the settlement, though you could possibly pull off the train raid.

The train has several guards on it, so you will have to end up killing some people or being really good at taking hostages.

Anyway, the main point of this is: Could you do it?


I know that a lot of us bash raiders and say how evil they are, etc..But when its your life and your entire groups life on the line, are you going to worry about manners or are you going to preserve your life?

You wouldn't be raping and pillaging, however you would be killing or taking innocents captive, not only stopping at that but stealing their stuff.

Now I would like to know if you could/would do it or not, and why or why not?
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Heyoh91
2. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:26 PM EST
Getting deep here, but this is a zombie website. The raiders are braving the zombie horde for the time being, but how long can the sit and wait will the zombies approach??? Do you find this valuable?    
jukebox_hero99
jukebox_hero99
3. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:36 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:36 PM EST
I would start with a more diplomatic approach at first (with the train, not the raiders)... "hey, we can do this, we can help with that, we're useful..." or play on their emotions... "we have children and wounded people..." or try some kind of bartering system. Depends also on how valuable currency is at this point. I think raiding the train would be a last resort if the decision were mine. If I was outnumbered in the vote, I suppose I would join in on the raid. If you're desperate and facing certain danger you'll do just about anything to survive. Do you find this valuable?    
Hell_raiser101
Hell_raiser101
4. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:40 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 8:48 AM EST
"I would start with a more diplomatic approach at first (with the train, not the raiders)... "hey, we can do this, we can help with that, we're useful..." or play on their emotions... "we have children and wounded people..." or try some kind of bartering system. Depends also on how valuable currency is at this point. I think raiding the train would be a last resort if the decision were mine. If I was outnumbered in the vote, I suppose I would join in on the raid. If you're desperate and facing certain danger you'll do just about anything to survive."
Yea, I was just thinking about how we gave the concept of raiders a hard time, and I wondered how many of us would do that if it was needed to survive..And a little interest in train robberies led to this >.>

Oh and Heyoh, too many factors play into when they will get surrounded...I was trying to not detail the area or anything too much to let it fit with more people, more types of plans. But either way, if zombies surround them, only a matter of time before they surround you.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
5. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:42 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:42 PM EST
D. Ask the train to stop and pick you up, even though its fully aware of raiders being in the area and how tricky they are.

Drop your guns and your jackets, let them know your not a threat. Get the women out where there they can see them. The children as well. Have faith in your fellow man and hope that they have mercy on you.

If they pass you by continue on any way you can with a concience clear of guilt. You'll find food water and shelter somewhere else. Maybe just not in that kind of abundance.
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Hell_raiser101
Hell_raiser101
6. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 10:45 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 10:45 PM EST
"D. Ask the train to stop and pick you up, even though its fully aware of raiders being in the area and how tricky they are.

Drop your guns and your jackets, let them know your not a threat. Get the women out where there they can see them. The children as well. Have faith in your fellow man and hope that they have mercy on you.

If they pass you by continue on any way you can with a concience clear of guilt. You'll find food water and shelter somewhere else. Maybe just not in that kind of abundance."
-Nods- Wise idea, I need work on this whole thread concept. Is it a bad thread for my first scenario thread?
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SevenExxes
SevenExxes
7. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:00 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:00 PM EST
F.
Pack up all the injured/sick/weak and send them on thier way to the train location.
Then, taking ammo and one other person who is reliable in combat, hunt down the raiders and pick them off, something they may not be expecting.
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AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
8. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:00 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:00 PM EST
Kind of far fetched, good imagination though. I'de grab my essential gear and do what I could to get to this "great" colony. We do what we can to help the injured but if they can't make the trip, then they can't make the trip. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
9. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:09 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:09 PM EST
"-Nods- Wise idea, I need work on this whole thread concept. Is it a bad thread for my first scenario thread?"
Not a bad thread at all other than being a little long winded. You used your imagination and came up with a scenerio that got people interested enough to post on it. More than I can say for my first scenerio thread.

Don't take my "long winded" critique the wrong way either. Some people will open a thread, think its too long to read and move on. You don't want them posting on your thread anyway if they don't have the patience to read a couple of extra paragraphs.

Get some confidence in yourself man, you did fine.
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DLOWTHEMAD
DLOWTHEMAD
10. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:23 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:23 PM EST
I go with a combo of B and D.... Try radioing the colony or train. State a clear case and hope they'll pick us up when they see us. If not then off we go in the vehicles.(Leaving plenty of IEDs and primitive traps for My raider friends.

I like the scenario, and it does raise a good point.

We can say what we want now, but faced with a choice like this, with children crying, friends dead and dying, and the wolves howling at the door, it won't be so cut and dry. The will to survive often clamps a lid on the little angel man(or woman) on our shoulder, even in normally righteous folk. I like to think I could find a way through something like that with my morals intact, but who knows for sure?
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survivortype
survivortype
11. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:29 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:33 PM EST
You left out option F: Derail the train, salvage what you can, and then plant evidence that points to the raiders. Not saying I would do this, but it was one of the things to come to mind. Do you find this valuable?    
survivortype
survivortype
12. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 15 2009, 11:39 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 15 2009, 11:39 PM EST
"You left out option F: Derail the train, salvage what you can, and then plant evidence that points to the raiders. Not saying I would do this, but it was one of the things to come to mind."
Sorry for the double post, but I thought of something less evil. If there's a long uphill slope the train has to climb, grease the tracks. Then the train still stops and no lives/materiel are lost.
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
13. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 12:19 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 12:19 AM EST
Try to join them, or find my own way.

Just because my life is sh!t, doesn't mean I will be willing to turn that bad luck onto someone else for my own benefit.
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AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
14. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 1:29 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 1:29 AM EST
Would it not seem rational that a stronghold with a rail system nearby would most likely trap or destroy the tracks in hope of a train stopping with supplies? I dont know how much I like the whole rail system, maybe it comes from playing to much Resident Evil 3, that train was way more hassle than what it was worth. Do you find this valuable?    
John199312
John199312
15. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 2:23 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 2:23 AM EST
I'm with Timber.

Very good thread, I like it. I hope it continues.
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Hell_raiser101
Hell_raiser101
16. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 11:05 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 11:07 AM EST
"Would it not seem rational that a stronghold with a rail system nearby would most likely trap or destroy the tracks in hope of a train stopping with supplies? I dont know how much I like the whole rail system, maybe it comes from playing to much Resident Evil 3, that train was way more hassle than what it was worth."


Yea, that is possible..Though you would still have to deal with the guards, unless you got them to join your group which is unlikely. They have a huge ammount of supplies which is obvious, and some strangers who look pretty beat up are trying to 'help'.

@ survivortype : I don't like the idea of derailing a train you wish to raid, myself. It could harm a lot of the stuff. I think the derail method is for say...a bunch of raiders coming by train to shoot up your base....or if you are really really desperate for it and there are lots guards on board.

@ AlexHigginbotham : Yea, it is a bit far fetched, I do agree...However if somebody starts a colony, it will probably grow and will have to start new colonies because the first grew too large. Meaning shipping stuff by train would be a very effecient method...Meaning train robberies could gain a new popularity.


@ Timber, John, D-low : Thanks, that means a lot to me, even more so since it is coming from yall. Lol

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IrishHitman
IrishHitman
17. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 6:13 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 6:13 PM EST
D, E if D fails.

The D/E combo has the greatest survivability factor overall compared with the other options.
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NorCal_Survivors
NorCal_Survivors
18. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 6:19 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 6:19 PM EST
Agree with IrishHitman ... D/E combo.

This assumes that the scenario is precisely as detailed (which it won't/can't be) and that there are no other options (which there always are)
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kinelta
kinelta
19. RE: Could you do it?
Dec 16 2009, 6:39 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 16 2009, 6:40 PM EST
I would choose option D and then, failing that, E. Could the group maybe commandeer the train and take the survivors to the new group rather than leave them in the same area where the known raiders are probably regrouping?

Could I do it? I would sure as hell try. I'm not leaving my kids for dead.
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