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LJ126
LJ126
Man's Best Friend
Dec 23 2009, 11:33 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2009, 11:33 AM EST
Guys, I'm going out on a limb here and straying from my roots with the "Zombie Dog" series (linked above in BOLD, for the less experienced WP user.) Y'all know I tend to focus on weapons and gear, and while my content in the gear dept is limited to one article - "Survival EDC: Tools of the Trade" - I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about most "common man" gear. More to come on this topic in the future.

In the past, we've discussed our opinions about dogs and other pets, and how they could possibly play a vital role in our survival in a zombie ruled world. In fact, a well-trained dog might be the perfect companion in a zombie ruled environment. While you'll have to tote a little extra food (or share your provisions)for your four-legged friend, I think having an extra set of super sensitive ears and night-capable eyes would be a welcomed asset. Many dogs (especially terriers) have strong hunting instincts and are capable providers when things look grim. On the flip-side, an untrained and undisciplined dog would become a liability and reduce your effectiveness. In a worst case scenario, a dog that is "barky" could in fact betray your location to zombies, looters or raiders.

The biggest problem I see is that many people "think" that their dog is well trained, when in fact, it isn't. My girlfriend's family is a great example. They have two dogs that are non-compliant and do not respond to commands reliably, but because they are "potty trained" they are good dogs. They are not leash trained, and when off leash they will wander. In fact, one of their dogs was killed in October when it escaped and strayed onto a major St. Louis road (Page) back in October. It's sad, but it wasn't the dogs fault.

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LJ126
LJ126
1. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 23 2009, 11:55 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2009, 11:55 AM EST
CONTINUATION...

That all being said, I'm a capable dog trainer with a considerable amount of experience. I'm not a professional, but having grown up on a farm outside of Quincy, IL and trained several generations of gun dogs with my Grandpa, I feel qualified for this article series. In fact, I plan on becoming a K9 Officer and obtaining my credentials in breeding once I get finished with the academy. I've trained some stubborn and strong willed dogs (and their owners!) for friends and achieved high levels of obedience.

There are some caveats to this. First and foremost, a dog is a huge responsibility. Dogs are expensive, require considerable amounts of time and maintenance. Dog food and training tools aren't cheap. There's nothing easy about training either - it is WORK. It's like having a child; you want them to grow healthy and become responsible, and in order for that to happen you need to provide the optimum environment and guide them to prosperity. Training is further complicated because people seem to think that dogs think like we do - they do not. They don't plan because they are incapable of thinking past the immediate. You cannot "comfort" a dog in a thunderstorm because you are reinforcing anxiety. Thinking like a dog is complicated, and its a lot of work. Most people are not prepared for this, and that's why their dogs behave poorly or have social anxiety disorders.

This article series can be adapted to train older dogs but its my belief that dogs under the age of 1 year are best suited to obedience and behavior modification training. Its a LOT more work to "unf*ck" a dog's bad habits and retrain them than it is to start off fresh.

If there is any interest at all, I'd be willing to get down and dirty and write a full series on how to select, train, and maintain a dog for well-rounded skills and a high level of obedience.
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Knuxz
Knuxz
2. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 23 2009, 8:03 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 23 2009, 8:03 PM EST
I'm interested. But definitely make it from an idea, of a zombie populated world. XD When the SHTF, i wanna know how to train a dog. XD Do you find this valuable?    
LJ126
LJ126
3. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 12:14 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 12:14 AM EST
"I'm interested. But definitely make it from an idea, of a zombie populated world. XD When the SHTF, i wanna know how to train a dog. XD"
Cool. This is really meant for "Pre Z-Day Prep" but a motivated individual (or small team) could effectively train a dog provided that they were holed-up well in a secure location and had the space and time to devote to training.

In fact, I might make a chapter directed towards training Post Z-Day. It'd be hard to pick the breed that you want after the zombies start showing but that might be a good thing. Thanks for the idea Knuxz!
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Conmiro
Conmiro
4. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 12:21 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 12:21 AM EST
My dog is trained not to bark,to sit, stay, lie down,and to pick up items and carry them to me.

On the last one, specifically, if someone puts and item in his mouth, he'll carry it to me.

Looks like Conmiro's got his own ammo monkey/dog!
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LJ126
LJ126
5. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 12:59 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 1:29 AM EST
"My dog is trained not to bark,to sit, stay, lie down,and to pick up items and carry them to me.

On the last one, specifically, if someone puts and item in his mouth, he'll carry it to me.

Looks like Conmiro's got his own ammo monkey/dog!"
Sounds like they'd be a great base dog with which to work, presupposing they're not gun shy or easily distracted by strange & new sites or sounds. Is the dog kennel and leash trained? These will be super important post Z-Day. If they can do all of this under pressure, you're good to go Conmiro! This article series probably won't benefit you much.

If your dog is gunshy, this is where it gets complicated. 90-95% of animals are afraid of thunderous bangs, dogs included. Breaking this is difficult (that's an understatement) and some dogs refuse to break. It's harder with older dogs too. I've done it before, but its time consuming and frustrating to an entire household... I call it "noise therapy." There's not enough room to explain it here, but I can in PM if you find that your dog is gun shy.
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Conmiro
Conmiro
6. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 2:14 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 2:16 AM EST
"Sounds like they'd be a great base dog with which to work, presupposing they're not gun shy or easily distracted by strange & new sites or sounds. Is the dog kennel and leash trained? These will be super important post Z-Day. If they can do all of this under pressure, you're good to go Conmiro! This article series probably won't benefit you much.

If your dog is gunshy, this is where it gets complicated. 90-95% of animals are afraid of thunderous bangs, dogs included. Breaking this is difficult (that's an understatement) and some dogs refuse to break. It's harder with older dogs too. I've done it before, but its time consuming and frustrating to an entire household... I call it "noise therapy." There's not enough room to explain it here, but I can in PM if you find that your dog is gun shy."
My dog isn't that scared, the first shot will shock him, but once he knows it's not dangerous to him, he settles down.

Edit: I too don't believe in hitting a dog to train it.I only did anything resembling hitting him when i had to shove him away when he tackled me, LOL.
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
7. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 8:02 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 8:02 AM EST
I'm all for K-9's being part of the group. Hey, they might help you stay away from these:

http://lolzombie.com/767/zombies/
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timberrattler
timberrattler
8. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 8:42 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 8:42 AM EST
Although a big dog can give you an extra hand hauling gear and a definate bit of "fear factor" when dealing with raiders a small dog can get many of the other jobs a dog is good for done without all the food it would require to keep a big dog in shape.

Jump dogs like any of the small breeds of terriers (Jack Russel, Rat, Bostons) will get down in a ditch, fence row or edge of a woods and jump rabbits out of the brush. Jack Russels will enter a hole and come out with ground hogs bigger than they are. Mountain curs will tree squirrels. A Beagle while loud will jump a rabbit and run him around in a circle and bring him back.

Airadales and Irish Wolfhounds are good at bringing down bigger game and bringing large game out into the open.

My own experience has been with bird dogs. I've competed in everything from shoot to retrieve all the way up to horseback shooting dogs and the all age division. If you have any questions about controlling a dog from a distance be sure to drop me a PM LJ.

Man and dog have had a working relationship since the dawn of time and dogs are the most adaptable animals on the planet.
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
9. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 1:48 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 1:48 PM EST
What's everyone's take on the Border Collie? My friend Francis had one... I swear the thing helped me with Advanced Algebra back when Francis & me were in HS Senior year... Do you find this valuable?    
deathseekrakodo
deathseekrakodo
10. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 24 2009, 2:18 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 24 2009, 2:18 PM EST
"Jump dogs like any of the small breeds of terriers (Jack Russel, Rat, Bostons) will get down in a ditch, fence row or edge of a woods and jump rabbits out of the brush. Jack Russels will enter a hole and come out with ground hogs bigger than they are. Mountain curs will tree squirrels. A Beagle while loud will jump a rabbit and run him around in a circle and bring him back.

Airadales and Irish Wolfhounds are good at bringing down bigger game and bringing large game out into the open.

My own experience has been with bird dogs. I've competed in everything from shoot to retrieve all the way up to horseback shooting dogs and the all age division. If you have any questions about controlling a dog from a distance be sure to drop me a PM LJ.

Man and dog have had a working relationship since the dawn of time and dogs are the most adaptable animals on the planet. "
you mentioned the curr breed...now i have to take some pics of my catahoula lab mix, she thew back hard to the catahoula stock and has their colors with a lab head, very strange brown eyes *no blue*, and has great instincts i barely have to train her its like she knows movement protocol already.

and of course gizmo, which was my original icon. shes jack and a wire haired short stocky type terrier group. talk about jumping lol she can jump to my shoulder height of about 5 feet. shes ugly as sin though lol. shes my fiancee's spoiled lap dog.

dogs are great, and would probably help keep one from going insane. i'm one of those that get very attached to my animals, i'd take the ones i had with me in a zpok, but after they died or left i don't think i'd get any more
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timberrattler
timberrattler
11. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 26 2009, 10:47 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 26 2009, 10:47 PM EST
"What's everyone's take on the Border Collie? My friend Francis had one... I swear the thing helped me with Advanced Algebra back when Francis & me were in HS Senior year..."
Border Collies are smart, very trainable dogs. Herd dogs are some of the smartest dogs on the planet and would be a great asset to a farming community.
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RisingTide
RisingTide
12. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 12:01 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 12:01 AM EST
I prefer Labs, I have a full blooded chocolate lab and love him to death. He isn't trained but hes not a bad dog in any way, he wont do a leash because hes never been on one ( I live in BFE and have no need to walk him on a leash) but he will walk right beside me and never go wandering away. He doesn't bark but he will chase a cat every chance he gets.

I will be bringing my dog along with me for sure. Also love the idea LJ126!
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Knuxz
Knuxz
13. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 12:44 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 12:44 AM EST
"Cool. This is really meant for "Pre Z-Day Prep" but a motivated individual (or small team) could effectively train a dog provided that they were holed-up well in a secure location and had the space and time to devote to training.

In fact, I might make a chapter directed towards training Post Z-Day. It'd be hard to pick the breed that you want after the zombies start showing but that might be a good thing. Thanks for the idea Knuxz!"
Sorry about not responding in a while, but no problem! I've recently been entertained by the idea of have a Z-Day Dog, but unless i can have a german shepherd, or similar, i am not getting one now. Too many un-accepting cats in my life.
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Filadog
Filadog
14. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 8:53 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 8:53 AM EST
I have a Fila Brasileiro, this is a very large mastiff type dog from Brasil and is probably the best guard dog in the world. Supposedly the only dog breed bred to hunt people [used for hunting slaves and indians]. It really is bred into them. All the ones I have had were easy to train once they understood what you wanted because unlike some dogs they want to please you. If you want to be able to take them around people you do have to socialise them early on so that they will tolorate them.
....While close to the perfect guard and protective dog now, and certainly capable of taking out any Zombie they are very large dogs and will eat lots of food. In a survival situation something to worry about. I think I would rather have a well trained small [40-50 lb.] pit bull type dog that didn't come from fighting dog stock....Key word here is "Well Trained".....T.
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LJ126
LJ126
15. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 8:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 8:57 PM EST
Sometimes I think you're psychic T-Rat! If you keep this up we're gonna have to start charging for your predictions here on site! Oddly enough, I've had a considerable amount of trouble with Quincy at distances beyond 50 yards or so. She tends to get a wild hair and go nuts with a fresh scent when she's got some lead on me. Unfortunately, St. Louis has some silly leash restrictions and people spazz when an unleashed dog comes up to 'em... Break out the Rabies shots!

I really wish I had more opportunities to get her out, I really think she could turn out really well. Sometimes I wish I lived out of the city - it really limits my training opportunities with Quincy.

On a side note, I've started working on this side project in Windows Word and its a MONUMENTAL task. Frankly, i don't think I'm up to this task. I don't think I know enough about training to do it correctly.
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timberrattler
timberrattler
16. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 10:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 10:55 PM EST
" Oddly enough, I've had a considerable amount of trouble with Quincy at distances beyond 50 yards or so. She tends to get a wild hair and go nuts with a fresh scent when she's got some lead on me. "
What I'm going to suggest might not jive with some pet owners but for those of you who think rationally I think you'll understand my logic.

Get yourself a Tri-Tronics shock collar and your ability to increase the obediance of your dog will increase considerably. Some people will consider this bit of advice cruel but to them I ask, is it more cruel to use a mild 3 second shock to get your dog under control or is it more cruel to let them run into traffic and suffer for weeks from a broken leg?

Before the advent of a shock collar it was a common practice to shoot gun dogs with bird shot to get their attention.

Until you can get your hands on a shock collar use a "check cord". A check cord is a 25' lead rope that gives you the ability to call your dog and pull them to you. You can also let them run with it on and it gives you a better chance at catching them if they won't come when called.

Good luck with Quincy. I went to your profile page and shes a beauty. My grandfather kept an Airadale named Rocko that once drug a coyote he'd killed onto my grandparents front porch. Yet he let us grandkids climb all over him and pull his ears without so much as a warning growl.
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LJ126
LJ126
17. RE: Man's Best Friend
Dec 27 2009, 11:40 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2009, 11:40 PM EST
"What I'm going to suggest might not jive with some pet owners but for those of you who think rationally I think you'll understand my logic."
Wow! Sounds like Rocko was a super dog! I hope that Quincy becomes that good one day. I appreciate the compliments on her, she really is a great sidekick to an otherwise hectic life. I hope with training she becomes a good all-around hunter too. She's my second 'dale - my dad got one years back for us kids to raise, and I've been in love with the breed since. I'll probably own Airedales for the rest of my life.

I've actually been considering getting a shock collar for her at distance. I think it would really polish out her distance woes. She comes about 50% of the time, but if she's hooked to a scent it's hit-or-miss. Oddly enough, the one I was looking at in Cabela's was a Tri-Tronics G3 Sport, it was suggested by the trainer at Cabela's. He also suggested another one that I didn't dig so much - it was a pretty ugly unit and oddly enough, more expensive.

When I first got Quincy, she trained with a check cord on her - I started with a 6 footer in the house, but 15 feet in the yard. I'll probably start using a long one when I take her out to the farm this weekend coming up.

I appreciate the advice too. I doubt anyone here would oppose the use of a shock collar because so many professionals suggest using them in various training books and videos. I've heard nothing but good things regarding their use - and as you stated, momentary discomfort in the name of obedience definitely beats losing a dog to a vehicle collision.
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BWMgg6
BWMgg6
18. RE: Man's Best Friend
Jan 7 2010, 8:59 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2010, 8:59 PM EST
MY DOG GOT EATIIN BY A KANGAROO o_O ANYBODY EER GOT THEIR DOG EATIN BY A KANGAROO o_O *is drunk off his a$* Do you find this valuable?    
BWMgg6
BWMgg6
19. RE: Man's Best Friend
Jan 7 2010, 9:05 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 7 2010, 9:05 PM EST
"MY DOG GOT EATIIN BY A KANGAROO o_O ANYBODY EER GOT THEIR DOG EATIN BY A KANGAROO o_O *is drunk off his a$*"
*A$*
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