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ViolentKisses |
Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 10:31 AM EST
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I'm looking for some methods of dealing crowd control without resorting to killingThe people are fighting amongst them selfs or against you or your party, talking isn't working and tensions are rising. I'll list a couple to start 1. If you have a gun aim at them (Could escalate the tension but may be used as a last resort) 2. Tear Gas (anyone got any?) 3. Fire a shot into the air 14 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you? |
AgEnT_GrEEn |
1. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 10:43 AM EST
"2. Tear GasYou'll need decent gas masks with working filters, otherwise with a gust of the wind you're in the same boat as your opponents. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 10:46 AM EST
The Trick to crowd control is to remove the antagonists from the crowd. This is a person who is yelling and adding fuel to the proverbial fire. Remove them from the situation before they bring it to the breaking point.
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3. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 11:01 AM EST
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"The Trick to crowd control is to remove the antagonists from the crowd. This is a person who is yelling and adding fuel to the proverbial fire. Remove them from the situation before they bring it to the breaking point."But how? I mean, going through an angry group of people just to pluck out one or two malcontents, especially if you don't know them doesn't sound like it'll end too well....unless you've got something else in mind. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 11:02 AM EST
Ill pick the fighting against your group to comment about since you probably wouldnt care to much about what happens to them short of death. Pepper spray works on a almost every one. There is only a very small percentage of people that it doesnt on. Depending on what form you get you may want to be careful with it out side. Tasers are awsome. I garanty any body see's you use it on some and they will change there attitude. Only thing about them is unless you luck out and find a multy shot, tasers are one shot then youll have to change cartridges or drive stun. Pepper balls work good too and they give you distance. There paintballs filled with a powder OC. Any one hit with these will be out of the fight for several minutes, so they will be zed food unless your in a safe area. The taser will only take them down as long as you run the current. Do you find this valuable? |
Frag-12 |
5. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 12:03 PM EST
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1) Water cannons2) CS gas - GAS CHAMBER!!! Good for clearing your sinuses. Just make sure to wash your hands before making a head call. There was one Marine that was immune to this crap. His parents were both Marines and we suggested that he was bottled fed CS when he was a baby. 3) Pepper Spray ( OC Spray) - I have only seen one person immune to this without being on PCP. They now make something that looks like a fire extinguisher for spraying this crap. 4) Shotgun Bean Bags 5) Rubber bullets 6) Mounted horseman (Police) trained in riot control. Horses work wonders in riots 7) Dogs - purely psychological - no one likes being gnawed on... lol 8) Paint ball mini-guns filled with frozen paint balls. - The Marine Corps Security Forces instructors would freeze their paint balls and shoot us - darn things hurt and pissed us off so we started shooting them in the face with the paint ball rifles (they were like shooting slugs from the shotgun at them (same caliber, less dense, less velocity) and the paint would totally cover their face masks) which was against the rules. Firing shots in the air are bad and actually may make things worse. Remember what goes up must come down. Never fire a warning shot and always shoot to kill. If this is for Z day, forget it. Avoid the crowds and get out as fast as you can. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 1:19 PM EST
Here is a thought. allow 2 people in your group to move into the crowds, near the leaders, that will immobilize the antagonists somehow, or better yet, convince them to come with them to another location, where you can do so easier and quieter.
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Frag-12 |
7. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 1:40 PM EST
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Dealing with crowds depends on the situation.There is no control for Panicked crowds, short of killing them all. Panicked crowds have descended into a chaos and are feeding off of it. Emotional without fear are easier to control. They usually disperse after you either arrest the leaders, arrested enough of them, or take the fight out of them. Even those circles with the metal coverings over their arms and hands can be dispatched with OC cream applied to the eyes and a little fireman extraction engineering. I watched this in person during the opening days of the War on Terror. A panic like Z-day, it is better to just avoid the crowd. If you have to go through the crowd, the Krav Maga method is this - Do not charge the crowd like a football player with both shoulders forward. It is better to go sideways into a crowd - less body is better, the shoulder that you put into the crowd - use that arm to kind of cut through the crowd, be purposeful, try not to shove because it may anger someone, and keep your footing - whatever you do - do not fall down. If you are in a squad and you have to go through the crowd without helping or picking someone up, you need to be intimidating and drop someone without mercy if they violate your space. In other words, be scarier than the zeds. Again, it is better to just avoid the crowd during Z-day especially since there may be zeds mixed in with them or all of them are now zeds in a feeding frenzy. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 2:24 PM EST
"I'm looking for some methods of dealing crowd control without resorting to killingFiring a shot in the air isnt always the best idea, the object must come down sooner or later, and often it can make a crowd more incoherent. What about paintballs? They use those things with OC in them so you could use them for the pain aspect. Do you find this valuable? |
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Frag-12 |
9. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 3:35 PM EST
That would suck - Paint balls with OC in them but why not.
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Bipp |
10. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 3:50 PM EST
Throw 5 gallon pails of CRAP (****) on them from the top on your walls? 5 or 6 hungry Pit Bulls should get them moving along quickly? Have some one you don't care for (in case the crowd pulls the driver out) drive a pick up with a snow plow threw the crowd. These would just be a few out of the box ideas that may get rid of an angry crowd or probably make thing a lot worse. Ha, HA, LOL 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MajorDamage |
11. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 5 2010, 5:23 PM EST
VK,I can PM you on #2 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ViolentKisses |
12. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 9:12 AM EST
Didn't the French resistance in Pairs use baby carriages to transport weapons and documents during Nazi occupation?
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AgEnT_GrEEn |
13. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 9:20 AM EST
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"Didn't the French resistance in Pairs use baby carriages to transport weapons and documents during Nazi occupation?"I think.....I do know the Nazis used fire hoses to flood out French Resistance members hiding in basements. EDIT: Yep, they did: http://media.ucsc.edu/classes/thompson/history30c/17_occupation.html Do you find this valuable? |
SGTGerman |
14. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 9:56 AM EST
"But how?Riot police use simular tactics as ancient greeks etc. You have the guys with the large shields who act like the defense line. They basically box them in. Then you have the guys with the smaller shields and the batons who serve as the light infantry. When there is some obvious figure head, you deploy the light infantry threw and they push forward, sieze him and then escape back behind the defensive line. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 10:38 AM EST
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"Riot police use simular tactics as ancient greeks etc.Sounds good. Now, what about smaller groups, let's say... 10-15 individuals? My guess would be to improve your diplomacy skills or try to pick up someone who has them or has better skills than thou.....but I have a feeling if they're armed and hostile, you run a fine line between success and Swiss cheese. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
16. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 10:43 AM EST
"Sounds good.Diplomacy is always the best option and violence is best for the very last alternative. I will consider any such people as hostile and will defend myself without this "don't harm them" crap. But do have a deeper scenario? What is the location etc? Outside a base? A sudden meeting? And what would they be rioting about? Do you find this valuable? |
JezuzKrist |
17. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 10:48 AM EST
Well let's say: Southwest desert of the US (Arizona maybe) large groups around a water well. (the only water well for say 20 or so miles. The pump is slow and a lot of people are thirsty, and the line is long.Tensions tend to run pretty high when people need something that is right in front of them that they have to wait for. oh and just to push it a little further, there is reports of a large group of zeds that might be headed this way.... That ought to get some excitement. Do you find this valuable? |
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SGTGerman |
18. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 10:52 AM EST
"Well let's say: Southwest desert of the US (Arizona maybe) large groups around a water well. (the only water well for say 20 or so miles. The pump is slow and a lot of people are thirsty, and the line is long.So - Desert Need of water Zeds are on their way Well actually taking away the Zeds that scenario is common on peacekeeping missions. The vast majority will be in the queue, only the odd few will cause trouble. So therefore, I'd have him taken away ASAP. As for the Zeds well are there any buildings? How many guys to I have and I how many people are there? Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Dealing with Crowds (Non Lethal)
Jan 6 2010, 11:10 AM EST
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Firing a shot in the air or pointing a gun at a frenzied crowd is how problems get started. If your only aim is crowd control, keep weapons holstered unless you're in danger. If you're in charge of your group, control them first. You should always have a designated diplomat, who is NOT the leader of your group.
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