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LJ126 |
Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 4:37 AM EST
My buddy Jason has his FFL03 "Curio and Relics" license, which allows him to have obsolete military weapons that are FFL 03 eligible shipped directly to his home from any vendor, without having to go through the hassle of an FFL transfer. It's a collector's license, so he's not legally permitted to sell guns for profit, there is plenty of legal room for him to make sales and trades to expand and thin out his collection as he sees fit. It's a collector's license.Jason purchased not one, not two, but EIGHT Mosin-Nagant M91/30's from SOG this week (at $65/rifle), as well as 2 Tokarev TT-33's. I've been pretty busy helping him remove cosmoline from these rifles. For my work and help with his rifles, I get to pick my favorite out of the litter. I've chosen a VERY good rifle that will work nicely for my budget sniper rifle project. As soon as I take delivery - which should be sometime this next week - I'll take tons of pictures and show her off. I'm going to outline the entire build process in an article in LJ's Corner, complete with project images and maybe video - we'll see. To keep costs low, I plan to strip & refinish the factory stock using a homemade alcohol-based stain and boiled linseed oil to seal it. The metal is in good condition, but the finish leaves a lot to be desired, and will also be refinished. I've not yet decided what kind of optics and mount will be used but I fully intend to keep the iron sights mounted and functional... The article will be written in my typical "How To" format that details each step in the process. Continued... 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LJ126 |
1. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 4:48 AM EST
All that being said, I'm actually very excited about this build I've been talking about it for nearly an entire year and I'm finally going to get to devote the time and effort into making it a reality.I'd like to hear opinions and thoughts about the project. If anyone has any advice, ideas, questions, or anything, I'm all ears. In fact, I'd love any input anyone might have. I know that Agent_Green has aspirations of putting a scope on his Kar98K, and could use a bit of the info from my build on his own project... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 7:54 AM EST
J&G sales have a Nagant scope mount for $45 that comes rings,bent bolt conversion kit, and drill bit and taps needed to install it that you might be interested in.....T
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3. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 8:22 AM EST
A couple people myself included have discussed this weaponThere are some great you tube vids of it reaching out and touching someone at 1000 yards. Plenty of mods could be made to update it abit but it works as it was intended with a bit of care :) Its a great project I wish you the best :) Do you find this valuable? |
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LJ126 |
4. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 2:40 PM EST
"J&G sales have a Nagant scope mount for $45 that comes rings,bent bolt conversion kit, and drill bit and taps needed to install it that you might be interested in.....T"I like the ATI stuff but the only problem I see with it is that it renders the iron sights useless by blocking them off with the rings' base. I've got a solution that will allow me to continue using the irons but I'm keeping it secret until I can start this build... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 17 2010, 2:41 PM EST
"A couple people myself included have discussed this weaponThanks for the blessing VK. I hope the rifle turns out like I expect it to... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 18 2010, 5:02 PM EST
I honestly cant wait to see it. I own a few MNs myself so its nice to see someone elses spin on the rifle.
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7. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 19 2010, 10:13 PM EST
"I know that Agent_Green has aspirations of putting a scope on his Kar98K, and could use a bit of the info from my build on his own project..."Affirmative. I'll be watching the developments closely 8) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LJ126 |
8. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 24 2010, 10:00 PM EST
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STATUS UPDATE:The donor rifle has been purchased and I've cleaned the rifle up and she's ready to rock and roll. It's a Mosin-Nagant M91/30 and my particular rifle was built at the Izhevsk factory in 1943, as indicated by the markings on the receiver. According to the Mosin-Nagant rarity chart, this rifle scores a '1' in the 1-10 rarity chart, making it one of the most common varieties available to the milsurp owner and has a very light and smooth trigger, excellent bore condition and a very smooth bolt, all of which making it an EXCELLENT choice as a donor rifle. The rifle came with a bayonet, sling, cleaning rod and tools, disassembly tool, oil can and ammunition pouch. The bayonet doesn't fit the muzzle well and gets stuck when its installed, but this is of no consequence because I don't plan on mounting the bayonet once the rifle has been refinished and had a scope installed. Now that the rifle has been cleaned up and put back together, I plan on taking her shooting some time next weekend and doing some preliminary accuracy tests using surplus ammunition (70's Czech 147 grain light ball) as outlined in the build outline. I'm expecting a best group 2-3 inches at 50 yards from bench rest, based on bore and crown condition and the decent trigger, but that might be a bit generous... we'll see. I've snapped a few pics and put them up on the site. Images are available at: http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/photos/album/155568/LJ%27s%2091%2F30%20Sniper%20Project MN Rarity Chart http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 26 2010, 7:10 AM EST
"All that being said, I'm actually very excited about this build I've been talking about it for nearly an entire year and I'm finally going to get to devote the time and effort into making it a reality.Problem with making a 91/30 into a sniper rifle is the straight bolt doesn't allow for a scope to be mounted. Therefore you would have to get a sniper bolt and hope it's safe to use. My opinion is that you want you Mosins to have matching parts, cant rely too much on the scientific standards of 1930's Russian industry. I know you can replace the stock with a synthetic one, which might leave room for a scope mount, but it's definitely something you want to check into. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 26 2010, 9:48 AM EST
Sounds like a fun build but even though you got your rifle for free I think there are better choices for a "sniper" rifle then a Mosin Nagant even if you are on a budget. Even after getting the mount, scope modifing the bolt handle you are still stuck with a rifle with a horriable hard to use safety and takes a round that is unless you stock up on it rather hard to find.I just think for the same or even less money you could buy something better. ....Year or so ago I bought for $120 a 1917 30 06 that had been sporterised and had an old Weaver K4 scope. Not much of a gun to look at but shoots very accurately. Takes a common as dirt cartridge and has an easy to use safety too. Lots of old sporter rifles out there like this that can be picked up cheap and will perform well for you...T Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 26 2010, 10:30 AM EST
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"Problem with making a 91/30 into a sniper rifle is the straight bolt doesn't allow for a scope to be mounted. Therefore you would have to get a sniper bolt and hope it's safe to use. My opinion is that you want you Mosins to have matching parts, cant rely too much on the scientific standards of 1930's Russian industry. I know you can replace the stock with a synthetic one, which might leave room for a scope mount, but it's definitely something you want to check into."You'd be surprised how easily the bolt can be altered. I've got a guy that is going to do mine for about $50. I've had Jim ("The Boltman") do this for me in the past and had zero issues with that bolt, and that rifle has had literally thousands of rounds put through it post-mod. The old bolt handle is cut off and a new bent handle is tapped into the bolt body and welded in. The nice thing about this is that it's durable and Jim will customize the bolt handle to whatever specs you want. Besides, if you wanted to use a sniper bolt, you could just remove the bolt body from the sniper bolt and install it on your already matched bolt (the one that came with the rifle.) This is also perfectly acceptable and safe because it shouldn't affect the bolt's headspace in any way. This is also another great spot for a disclaimer to others who might try this build - I have been modifying firearms for some time and know what I am and (more importantly) am NOT capable of doing. Do NOT attempt to do any task outlined in my build plan without prior knowledge or experience. Seek the professional services of a gunsmith before proceeding in any work that you are uncomfortable with. If anyone reads this and follows my build plan, I accept ZERO liability for damages to person or property. Since I can't be there to help and supervise, I don't accept any blame if you blow your gun up in your face. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 26 2010, 10:41 AM EST
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" Sounds like a fun build but even though you got your rifle for free I think there are better choices for a "sniper" rifle then a Mosin Nagant even if you are on a budget. Even after getting the mount, scope modifing the bolt handle you are still stuck with a rifle with a horriable hard to use safety and takes a round that is unless you stock up on it rather hard to find.The safety is tough to use - I will most certainly agree with that. It's really one of the biggest drawbacks to the Mosin-Nagant. However, with LOTS of practice, it does become easier to use. I've seen where some folks have modified their bolts by putting a ring at the tail end (where the safety is) so that it's easier to decock and lock, but I'm not a fan of arbitrarily drilling holes into parts of a bolt that are under spring tension when they're in use. I also agree that the Mosin-Nagant is not an ideal weapon to use for a "sniper-type" conversion, especially if you can find something at the gun shop that is already sporterized. Sometimes you can even find used hunting rifles (typically sans scope) for a fraction of their MSRP that are in excellent shape - but that's usually a gamble. The reason I'm using the Mosin-Nagant is because A) I love the rifle - it's one of my favorites B) Ammo is very cheap and plentiful C) I've got so many of these rifles that are already bone stock that are more collectible D) Durability is second to none. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 26 2010, 12:25 PM EST
"The reason I'm using the Mosin-Nagant is because A) I love the rifle - it's one of my favorites B) Ammo is very cheap and plentiful C) I've got so many of these rifles that are already bone stock that are more collectible D) Durability is second to none."I can't disagree with any of those reasons!......Actually sounds like something I would do and some of the reasons I would use to justify it too. Like I said sounds like a fun build and I am looking forward to seeing the results . I read an aricle about this sniping competition and one of the teams [ I think maybe Finnish?] used a modified Nagant and did very well with it against more modern rifles. Of course during WWII it was used with very good results as a sniper rifle....T Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Jan 27 2010, 10:57 PM EST
The mosin' is a great rifle, my great grandad used to let me use his that he brought back from europe, traded a russian for a thompson, he said. anyway, i have really looked into it alot more and it really is a great use, the amount of ammo is a great thing. random thing i read, dunno how true it is though; it was the first weapon to use a 7.62mm round! good ol' russian engineering Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Feb 5 2010, 10:20 AM EST
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Gentlemen, the project begins TODAY. I picked up some stock refinishing tools last night @ Home Depot (You can do it, we can help!) and plan on researching some camo patterns before delving into a full on stock refinish. I'm just doing the stock, because the metal looks great on this rifle and doesn't need any attention.I'm going to the range shortly to do some accuracy testing, then clean up, then picture taking... then I'm going to start a fresh build article. I hope yer all excited! EDIT: Range day didn't go so well. Heavy downfall of "wintery mix" at the range and not being prepared for the cold (didn't bring gloves or heavy jacket) made for poor trigger control. Best 5 shot group was 2 inches @ 50 yards, oddly enough it was the cold bore grouping, but that's yet another indication that the cold and my ill-preparedness was to blame. Targets were ruined by rain/snow mix, and no cameraman to take pics of shooting... However, I'm hitting the range tomorrow morning with my buddies Jason and Fat Jon, and we'll be able to get some pics then. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Feb 6 2010, 12:11 PM EST
"Gentlemen, the project begins TODAY. I picked up some stock refinishing tools last night @ Home Depot (You can do it, we can help!) and plan on researching some camo patterns before delving into a full on stock refinish. I'm just doing the stock, because the metal looks great on this rifle and doesn't need any attention.Have you thought of using cloth wrappings for the gun to make it more versatile as far as camo is concerned? Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Mar 4 2010, 1:49 AM EST
The naysayers about building a 91/30 should realize that the 91/30 WAS a military grade sniper rifle that took many Nazi lives very accurately. Nazi Zombies beware because the Mosin Nagant just keeps on keepin' on. I have a sportster black super light weight synthetic stock on mine... having "the bolt man" redo my bolt and adding bushnell scope and long bipod... I am building this baby to kill coyotes at 200 yds and maybe more. This gun was designed for trench warfare... a muddy, messy, dirty afair... and this gun is simple yet SOLID made that it will KEEP firing no matter what you put it through. 1943 was the biggest production year and its not bad to get an Izzy rifle. Build up war effort! Look for the more beaten stocks, with all the brass removed and brushed on remnants of black paint.... these rifles were used by snipers and infantry that depended on them to keep them alive.. they took care of their rifle It is said that the only thing the Nazi army feared more than the Siberian winter was the russian M91/30. I bet it would peel a zombie head like a grape out to 300yds +.... the actual rating of this rifle for North America is ... can kill a black bear up to 600yds and thin skinned mammals (like human) up to 1,000 yds. WOW... I dont shoot at game past 100yds... but can you imagine 10 football fields it could possibly still kill you! Dont breeze lightly past the Mosin Nagant 91/30 it IS a military grade weapon. Many folks forget that fact. IMHO there is civilian grade hunting rifles which dont get me wrong are accurate as all get out, but military grade while maybe not quite as accurate still scores a KILL shot and can be fired and abused and still fire. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Mar 4 2010, 7:09 AM EST
"The naysayers about building a 91/30 should realize that the 91/30 WAS a military grade sniper rifle that took many Nazi lives very accurately. Nazi Zombies beware because the Mosin Nagant just keeps on keepin' on. I have a sportster black super light weight synthetic stock on mine... having "the bolt man" redo my bolt and adding bushnell scope and long bipod... I am building this baby to kill coyotes at 200 yds and maybe more.Please don't confuse the Wehrmacht as being entirely made up of Nazis. Quintin Tarentino did, and he's more of a dousche for it. Get your history right. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Mosin-Nagant 91/30 Sniper.... Go??
Mar 4 2010, 5:32 PM EST
http://www.theboxotruth.com/ Great website for C&R stuff
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