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SovietPrince |
SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 6:07 PM EST
Ive been throwing the idea around with JPTank that id start from florida, make my way northward, and enter canada through minnesota. there, organization could start. I'll leave the knowledge of Canada and possible locations to tank, considering he lives up there and i dont. to begin my part of the plan, id like to first let anyone know that if you are between florida and new jersey(along coast), and my 'convoy' does begin the journey, you can be rescued. Ill leave your survival to yourself until i could arrive. Once i reach new jersey, and aquire specific personal friends, .... scratch that. Ill be moving towards ohio. this will be the rendevous(general) for anyone on the eastern side of the United States. taking rural routes is the best bet for this lengthy journey. everyone who is going to decide to head for canada needs to make their own routes and soon ill decide a good rendevous either in ohio or somewhere to the west of it. After a small waiting period of 3-5 days, and additionally gathered resources, we'll move into minnesota, which is surprisingly undeveloped. just alot of small cities... so Tank was right: it would be a safe route. Then eventually my group's path will intertwine with Tank's, and we'll take it from there. specific routes will be posted soon, however, i am leaving the starting point(aka my residence) out of the equation and just going to start at a location in florida and continue on the safest path. contributions to this plot are welcome. some things that i need discussion on within this thread: -vehicles needed -fuel supply -safe routes -availability of building supplies in canada JPTank, id like to hear your additions and your own part. Lets make this a workable plot! Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
1. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 6:36 PM EST
i'd also like to add another ideal location to the places you need to think about.now everyone thinks about gun stores, and some even consider army bases or armories. but what about the manufacturers themselves? especially the ones that make both firearms and bullets. try to locate any of these industrial sites if you can Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 6:37 PM EST
You'll need a time frame for when you plan to move out. Probably after the initial panic, after things have calmed down somewhat.I forsee a fuel problem, especially for a convoy. I imagine that the fuel at gas stations would be depleted. And then you would need to find a way to pump whatever fuel may be available. Pedro has some additions to the Panic page that addresses some issues on fuel availability and whether or not it will actually be usable, due to oxidation and contamination. Plan routes around major cities, including the highways leading into them. You would need up-to-date maps of every state that you plan to travel through, as well as maps of states that you might possibly be forced to take a detour through. I wonder if GPS would still be available, considering that it is from satellite? It could be useful for finding last minute detours when you run up against roadblocks of any sort. Communications with the convoy, and other survivor groups that you would be meeting. CB radio perhaps? And will you have enough room to take on all survivors who want to come with you? What will your limit be? I'm assuming that anyone who goes with you will be responsible for their own food and vehicles. How do you plan on dealing with any raiders or other generally hostile people you come across? How do you plan on keeping your convoy safe and protected? Large movement will bring attention, and chances are you will be known about before you know about anyone else, alive or otherwise. Do you find this valuable? |
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3. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 6:59 PM EST
Good call, SovietPrince. For the general southern Ontario area I have (so far) two RVE points. They are: Darbyville, Ontario. Lat - 43.544508 Long - 80.064353 **meeting spot will be at the crossroads.** this area is east of my general location. It's mostly farm land. I'm only using this as a wav point and for a quick RVE. If you cannot make it to this location in the first three days your best bet is to move to the next RVE I have set up. (I will only be in Darbyville once). The next location is: Living Springs, Ontario. Lat - 43.753033 Long - 80.407526 **meeting place will be at the crossroads.** it's North west of the previous location and is also farm area. It's located more into the low populated areas. This location (unlike Darbyville) will be a primary RVE for Southern Ontario. Myself and my group will return here once in a while. I will post new Rvp's on here and my profile with details. People from the wiki will be able to identify my group for two reasons: 1 - I will be wearing a lime green bandana. 2 - we will be under a white flag with a big green X through it. To signal me, use a mirror. Morse code - ZSDW. I will respond with: Jptank - if I am there. ***these basic rules apply to every RVE location I have listed.*** I plan to set up a permanent base. I am looking at locations for this. After zday, codename of this base being set up is "Zanzibar". Latitude and longitude will follow. SovietPrince: if you're going to New Jersey, maybe you could meet me and my team at living springs. The boarder is closer and we can take you through the safer route up and over the lakes. Maybe you can get into Minnesota from the north and we can give you a hand. Just an option. Then I remember that you've set up a meeting place in Ohio, so that's on your way... Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:01 PM EST
all great points. thank you. i can start by saying... though savage and barbaric, it may be a necessity to hijack a tanker. i hate to speak about things that i would never do in a civilized society, but 9000 gallons of fuel will definitely ties off 5 or so trucks for the long journey to ontario. id need to do exact calculations, but im sure that the trip would be generally good to go if we had this amount of fuel.which brings me to the "convoy's" vurnerability. if we were spotted by either zeds or panicking survivors, we'd be in a bit of trouble. and a 2k mile journey surely will have its deadly moments. Perhaps a tanker would be prone to be attacked and destroyed? id like to also bring up that my "group" down here is either already training for warlike condidtions or is getting set to practice such, as am i. so, combat training, with the fact that everyone i know is a fanatic about shooting the hell outta something, we'd be pretty well armed. I cant say that we'd be entirely safe, but wed be better off. maybe a semi tractor trailer would be good? enough space to store both supplies and have a place for people to sleep. also, we could have fuel in there that had been stockpiled. that'd be alot of 5 gallon containers, and be dangerous, but what choice else do i have for a trip this far. but a semi then would allow me to cut the size of the convoy in half. 2 trucks, one semi. (bear with me and my planning) gps would be a great advantage for the trip, but id like to have my own knowledge of the route just in case. i have read most of the threads regarding trip taking in a zedpoc, and i acknowledge both the need for speed and/ or avoidance when near cities. id like to make it a point that my people will be ready to move out(i hope). if everyone had a case of MREs or if we could have a few packs of ramen noodles and some water we'd be safe. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:05 PM EST
Florida to Minnesota...via New Jersey? Seems a very circuitous route.Florida to Georgia/Alabama, to Tennessee, to Kentucky, to Illinois (opt. through Indiana), to Wisconsin, to Minnesota. New Jersey is at least a 550 mile detour. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
6. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:08 PM EST
"Good call, SovietPrince.i need to figure out what exactly to do. itd be very safe to move straight through minnesota, but to get to your rendevous id need to head closer to the east coast. Im trying to avoid most of the east coast it think. maybe a good rendevous in ohio or nearby that everyone who is coming from the eastern board can join up at. if you can find a place for codename zanzibar then itd be easier if everyone were to just head there. I personally wouldnt want to wait at a secondary rendevous. im probably going to have 2 more posts addressing my plans before i even can continue to think about where to rendevous. Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:15 PM EST
to add to my post ending with the ramen noodles, i think food and water is an easy objective. both i can stock up on. anyway, Pedro sees the same that i just saw. the route he provided is a better means of movement. but if i were to meet with JPTank id stop in ohio(or not) but id take the most rural route into canada from the eastern side of the great lakes. another idea would be to get to a ship on one of the lakes and get into canada that way, though i think people would be there as well.anyone own a ship or medium sized boat and live near the lakes??? communication will be CB most likely. i need to discuss alot of this over with my group and addressing raiders... if they pose a threat, or attempt to attack... my group will dish out lethal force. i believe this type of interaction will be common. i also believe that if someone wants to be left alone, they should be. raiders wouldnt pose a great threat unless they can make IEDs or own RPGs.. lol Do you find this valuable? |
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8. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:27 PM EST
So far, Kenilta, my plan adheres to what you've said. In the initial outbreak I have a park on the west end where I will wait out the panic. I figure a day.., It's a large park, separated from the population, mostly. There's a strategic hill that overlooks litterally everything. Also there are supplies close by as well as a ski chalet and indoor ice rink. Both easy to fortify. I do plan to bushwack. I'm not taking highways or roads and the general route I have planned is all rural and away from the major cities. Vigilance will be required, however because everyone will be heading east and I'm heading west and north west. There's really no way around it for me... I'll post a map of Ontario on here soon. (a link) I doubt gps will work, unfortunatly. Satelites would probably be out of commission in the first day. If there's no one to operate the says from the ground and send signals, they'll just float around and crash into eachother. CB or ham radio might actually work well enough to communicate. I've been doing some reading and practice lately... Transporting people and goods is a tough one. Perhapse dumptrucks could offer more protection on one hand, but on the other they're gas guzzlers. It depends how you structure your convoy. A large convoy could end up attracting attention. Yes stay away from large cities because that could be trouble. People desperate for rescue with no room, noise from vehicles... Raiders MAY be discouraged with facing a large moving convoy, but they might fake the need for rescue or want just that, and become a danger for all of us. Maybe go to new jersey by boat and go the land route from there. Or maybe travel inland away from the populus east coast (still have RVP's) but also split the convoys up. Instead of one massive group draining all resources in it's path, seperate groups could - 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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JPTank |
9. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:29 PM EST
Contribute to the same goal and attract less attention.
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SovietPrince |
10. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:44 PM EST
"Contribute to the same goal and attract less attention."theres still that problem with fuel, but i assume that can be sorted out. has anyone seen the 90's movie tremors? theres a part where they get a bulldozer and hook it up to a long dumptruck trailer. if im right, theres a granite mining location within 10 minutes of my area. if im not making myself clear... semi truck cab + long bucketlike trailer. cant think exact name lol. But you could store quite alot there and be safe from small arms fire because of the strength of the walls. one truck could hold 1/2 of the fuel supplies and half of everything else. a second truck could do the exact same, and then only one pickup truck(or if others wanted to drive their own as well). still need to work out the convoy idea. i am not easily persuaded by sob stories, so i would probably not be helping raiders or any i come across except for those that are part of the plan. this is for safety. Tank, are you going towards west ontario? because it would be incredibly easy for me to get in through minnesota. id make my path angled more to straight towards minnesota then. living springs and darbyville are great, but i would prefer to avoid getting anywhere near the atlantic coast or ANY major cities in the northeast.. who knows the gov't could have nuked them lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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JPTank |
11. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 7:47 PM EST
It would help me if I had some good maps to look at. I could help you plan the route. Maybe those on the east USA could meet in Ohio, Soviet could take either the ocean route or land route to new jersey and then go east to Minnesota while traveling through Ohio. It could be possible for me to launch an evac through the lakes, cutting time down... "Zanzibar base" will be made after zday. It's best as to not give possible misdirection. I'd want to know the location is 100% safe first, right? I could pick 100 locations now, there's a chance other survivors (or infected) could be there. I'll look, and if I find somthing 110% surefire I'll let you all know asap. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:01 PM EST
"theres still that problem with fuel, but i assume that can be sorted out.Don't put all your fuel and all supplies in one truck. The chances of loosing a vehicle or two is very real. If half your fuel and a quarter of the cargo is weapons and the other food, that's a lot to loose. Best to loose one vehicle with a little of everything than the truck with all your meds - is what I'm saying. At first I'll be in my general area of Ontario, but yes I will make my way to western Ontario. I'm picking RVE points for that location now. How about, anyone who doesnt want to wait in Ohio can make their way to living springs to meet me. Soviet can get to New jersey and then Minnesota. Where myself, my team and whoever else can either cross the lake and meet you or meet you near the boarder of Minnesota at an RVE close to there. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
13. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:07 PM EST
"It would help me if I had some good maps to look at. I could help you plan the route.im going to scratch the by water trip up the coast. however, i have 3 land directions i can take. if we were to meet in west ontario/northern minnesota, id head west through illinois/indiana. if you could provide transportation across the lakes, thats 2, which would likely be from ohio. route 3 would take me through either ohio or west virginia. i will try to avoid all large cities. its possible i can grab part of my family in pennsylvania, but i wouldnt risk the party i am already with if its somewhat dangerous to find them. but, they live in rural area so it wouldnt be too hard. anyone that needed pickup would be gotten along the way.. say if one of the members here lives in west virginia i could let them know my route, and they would wait for us to come to the RVE. anyway, i have one slight issue, which would require a bit of maneuvering. In Newyork, buffalo is in my way of getting to the border.id have to move a good ways around buffalo... perhaps a 15-20 distance.. but id have to get close, and the most possible route is to finish my radius around buffalo by jumping on U.S. 190 and heading across the border near niagra falls. then its a good drive until Hamilton, but perhaps since you know more about Canada, u could tell me where to head, JPTank Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:09 PM EST
"Don't put all your fuel and all supplies in one truck. The chances of loosing a vehicle or two is very real. If half your fuel and a quarter of the cargo is weapons and the other food, that's a lot to loose. Best to loose one vehicle with a little of everything than the truck with all your meds - is what I'm saying.im cutting new jersey from the list. If i am moving towards living springs, then my two options are to cross the lakes at ohio, or the border crossing explained in previous post. if i go into minnesota, it will be because of a delay and you have already begun to head there. Lets consider the route that involves detouring around buffalo Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:25 PM EST
Vehicles you may want to think about are school buses. Remove 1/2 of the seats, so you have places for people, and plenty of cargo space. You could then divide your supplies evenly between the buses, in case of one breaking down, or getting lost. That way all of your best supplies don't end up missing when you get there, and the people in the missing bus have some supplies to use to either catch up, or set up their own settlement. Or use semi's for cargo and buses for people, both will be numerous. Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:29 PM EST
"Vehicles you may want to think about are school buses. Remove 1/2 of the seats, so you have places for people, and plenty of cargo space.true. good ideas regarding both.. hey Tank, if worst comes to worst and i cannot make the trip up... my group will be arming up heavily, and attempt to seize an airport or airbase, provided we have a pilot. a C5 galaxy cargo plane would store anything you can think of (military uses them to move tanks) and although that is a farfetched idea... and could cost lives, im willing to try to make a move instead of staying in florida. there are virtually no long term commodities i can use. and everything is just sh*tty. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:29 PM EST
If you cut new jersey from the list, you could go either through Detroit or the niagra falls area. There's three ways in. Two from Michigan and then the buffalo - newyork route. I would reccomend, however, that you avoid Detroit and enter Ontario where sarnia is. There's less of a population that way. Or you could go through Minnesota and enter Ontario from the west.Depending on my situation, evac by water could be possible. Your safest route might be to reach Minnesota and cross the boarder. I could set up an RVP close by. You can go east from Ohio and get to Ny state where you can enter through the buffalo area and travel by Hamilton. At Hamilton there is a bridge or causeway that *could* save time. It cuts a mile off, darbyville is east and from that point, living springs is north west from that location. You could enter through sarnia or Detroit, both of which are in the same area. That's a north east trip to living springs. Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:33 PM EST
"If you cut new jersey from the list, you could go either through Detroit or the niagra falls area. There's three ways in. Two from Michigan and then the buffalo - newyork route. I would reccomend, however, that you avoid Detroit and enter Ontario where sarnia is. There's less of a population that way. Or you could go through Minnesota and enter Ontario from the west.either way, the 3 routes(one by water, others called the hamilton route and the sarnia route) will be excellent. if i do take the minnesota route, then i take it. i assume that there are vast forests on the border there, because trees could be excellent building materials, provided i can aquire some lumberjacks lol Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: SovietPrince/JPTank plan
Jan 24 2010, 8:34 PM EST
1 sec, let me get a map. I'm on my phone, here. Lol
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