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Survivor15 |
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StrykerPez |
1. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 5 2010, 9:55 PM EST
I know them as "snakeshot"That's pretty much what I use em for... snakes... maybe a bunny rabbit if I sneak up close enough. Do you find this valuable? |
duterfel |
2. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 5 2010, 11:03 PM EST
I've shot a bunch of the .22 shot shells. They are fun to mess around with and they are great for small game. They would probably not kill a human or a zombie. They just don't have the punching power. I want to get some of the 9mm shot shells to play with. 9mm and .357 magnum shotshells may be lethal at close range. The shot contained in the projectile (usualy no.12 pellets) are just too small and light to do any real damage. I want to try to make a few 9mm shells using an increased powder charge and maybe no.4 or 5 steel shot. Results could be interesting.
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zachy_vengeance |
3. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 5 2010, 11:31 PM EST
I use shotshells in my(dad's) .357 usually for shooting snakes, possoms, raccoons, squirrels, and the occasional bunny thats smart enough to stand by the targets in our backyard when we decide to go out and shoot. It'll put 'em all down.They kill snakes instantly. I didn't even know that was possible till I decided to shoot one. Do you find this valuable? |
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duterfel |
4. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 12:27 AM EST
yeah they are effective against samll game but the soft lead pellets won't do any real damage to anything else. No.12 shot won't even penetrate vinyl siding. Theres just not enough weight and or speed to get a kill shot on a zombie.Reload those .357 magnum shotshells with no.1 or B sized steel shot and no we're talking up close tear you ****** face off kind of damage. Do you find this valuable? |
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Survivor15 |
5. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 2:08 AM EST
So I should buy a few boxes? =)Could I reload the shells with copper BBs by any chance? Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
6. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 6:28 AM EST
I have killed many horses using .45 ACP shot cartridges. I bought them at a gun show and were told they were used in the military for life boats so that men could shoot sea gulls... don't know. The shot was very small maybe no.12? I would shoot the horses at a range of about 12 inch in the head and they were amazingly effective. If I backed up 15 -20 feet probably wouldn't have done anything much other then sting them ..As a kid I shot lots of .22 shot cartridges and again you have to be very close for them to work on a Starling or sparrow. I had a smooth bore .22 "rifle" once that was for shooting miniture trap using them and it made the difference in thier pattern over when shot out of a rifle though I never tried it out on any birds I think if you loaded the shells with Steel Shot or Copper BBs. they would be less effective not more then if you used lead shot because the lead is heavier and will retain its velocity better. This is why steel pellet shotgun shells such as used on waterfowl are less effective as the older lead pellet ones Do you find this valuable? |
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Survivor15 |
7. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 12:48 PM EST
Ok thanks, I'll get some.If I had to reload them, I would just put some No.6 shot in them from a 20g shell. Do you find this valuable? |
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duterfel |
8. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 1:30 PM EST
"I have killed many horses using .45 ACP shot cartridges. I bought them at a gun show and were told they were used in the military for life boats so that men could shoot sea gulls... don't know. The shot was very small maybe no.12? I would shoot the horses at a range of about 12 inch in the head and they were amazingly effective. If I backed up 15 -20 feet probably wouldn't have done anything much other then sting themactually steel pellets are used because the pellets don't deform or fragment inside the bird. In a magnum load the steel shot just blows clean through leaving no metalic particles behind to spoil the meat. Lead is heavier than steel but it is very malleable. Once the pellet fragments or deforms against dense material it drastically looses speed...thus the ability to penetrate. I'm very surprised to hear that .45 shot shell can kill something as large as a horse...point blank or not. Are you sure they were loaded with lead? Were they "hot" loads? I may have underestimated the potential lethality of these little devils. Do you find this valuable? |
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Filadog |
9. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 6 2010, 2:24 PM EST
"actually steel pellets are used because the pellets don't deform or fragment inside the bird. In a magnum load the steel shot just blows clean through leaving no metalic particles behind to spoil the meat. Lead is heavier than steel but it is very malleable. Once the pellet fragments or deforms against dense material it drastically looses speed...thus the ability to penetrate.Actually the only reason steel shot was devoloped and lead shot stopped was because of waterfowl eating the spent lead pellets and dying from lead poisoning or poisoning eagles that ate them. Most lead shot sheels used for waterfowl hunting used copper plated lead shot that was buffered and pellet deformation was never an issue with the lead shot I hunted with both and Is no doubt that steel shot is not as effective as lead. Since the steel is lighter for them to be effective larger size has to be used which then leads to less pellots in the shell. There was actually quite a debate about how more ducks would die as cripples from using steel then that would probably die from lead poisoning, but the danger to non game animals pushed it....Now days I think they use Bismouth instead of steel Of course lead is still used on non waterfowl because it is more effective The small shot in the 45 acp worked because it was still in one mass at this short range of a foot , simular the the Glaser Safety which is a very good defensive round where the bullet is made out of small shot held together in a matrix and fragments when the bullet hits Do you find this valuable? |
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duterfel |
10. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 7 2010, 12:24 AM EST
Oh...well...I was sorrily misinformed...and by someone who should have known better. I'm not a hunter...and I don't really like shotguns. The 870 in my gun safe is registered to my wife and all she uses it for is trap now and then. So all we have in the house is trap load...which isn't much but its better than nothing at all.
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602Reasons |
11. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 9 2010, 4:30 AM EST
You can score birdshot half way through the shell and when fired the shell will separate into a plastic-wrapped lead bead slug of sorts. Have tried it. Successful more often than not.
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hardwarehank |
12. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 12 2010, 1:58 PM EST
dont worry odds are if you are shooting at them with a shotgun #7 shot will be just as good at 20 ft as buckshot if you have the right choke in
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thepanzieman |
13. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 12 2010, 3:12 PM EST
why try to find shotshels for a rifle when shotgun shells are going to be one of the most common bullets available?and will work better. Do you find this valuable? |
possumblaster |
14. RE: Shotshells?
Feb 12 2010, 3:56 PM EST
"why try to find shotshels for a rifle when shotgun shells are going to be one of the most common bullets available?In real life, most shotgun shells you are going to find will be birdshot. Birdshot is all but useless against a human, let alone a zombie. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
