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Pro-ex1 |
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Blackmagic007 |
1. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 4:52 AM EST
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"what is the best close range combat weapon for zombies? personally i dont want to get close to something that can turn me into one of them by biteing me but you know...if you have to..."A assault rifle with a short barrel and a collapsible butt stock. Basically a M4 or any variant. I know I could get a head shot from anywhere from 1 to 50 meters, from a standing position to a prone position. I'm not the best shooter, its not difficult though Shotguns may have great stopping power, it just lacks in the ammo capacity and is very unruly if you going to be moving from target to target. In close combat situations against zeds your going to want something that has a large magazine and is somewhat easy to reload. You want Accurate fire that can be sustained at a fast pace. Something that almost all shotguns can't provide. With alive human enemies there is a longer list. I'm no expert in weapons, I'm just sharing my thoughts and some of my training. Just pick something your comfortable with. Some people could take out an army of zeds with a 22 cause their that good. Someone could have a full auto ak-47 and miss every shot. That's my 10 cents, my 2 cents is free Do you find this valuable? |
Pistolwhip1911 |
2. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 4:57 AM EST
while i agree that a short barrelled rifle (such as an m4) would be a nice close range firearm, i wouldnt discount ALL shotguns. With enough training, shotguns can be just as deadly at a short range as a rifle, or close to it. Also, dont clump All shotguns into the " mag tube under the barrel, too slow and unruly" category. Shotguns such as the Saiga ( magazine fed, based on AK platform, 8-20 round magazine) are entirely capable of hold their own in a close range zed-fest. Do you find this valuable? |
GhostScarecrow |
3. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 5:00 AM EST
Cold steel Brooklyn Smasher lol
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Blackmagic007 |
4. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 5:06 AM EST
Your right, some people could hold their own in a zombie fest with a shotgun. I'm just not that familiar with shotguns, I only fire them from time to time and just don't like pump actions. Your right a magazine fed is a different story. I just don't see them as being a common fire arm. Never fired one so I can't judge. I just see the recoil as being a bother if you trying to engage multiple zeds. Do you find this valuable? |
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Pistolwhip1911 |
5. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 6:07 AM EST
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I can totally understand that. Recoil is only a bother if you havent been taught how to hold and use a 12 guage properly. Trust me, holding it the right way makes a huge difference. Also, addition of a Recoil reducing stock ( Knoxx Tactical is a fine example) Can drastically reduce felt recoil and increase second shot aquisition.As far as Common-ality (forgive me) of magazine fed shotguns, while some are only videogame fantasy "fuzzy happytime dreamland" weapons, i know of and plan on aquiring a Saiga 12 from a Fine establishment down in Dallas. They may not be common everywhere, but it all depends on who you know. Being unfamiliar with the Standard pump action platform is not a sin in my book. I can understand where you are coming from and from most people's POV, A pump action is always secondary to a more familiar set up. When Zed poc does come, Finding what you are used to, training with that weapon beforehand, having a good supply of ammunition and good knowledge of its internal workings are always prevalent. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
6. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 7:36 AM EST
I think for close range I'd go with a shotgun. A shotgun is normally quicker to get on a target then most rifles and when shooting shot easier to hit a small moving target with....this is why flying ducks, running rabbets etc. are shot with a shotgun and not a rifle...you couldn't hit them!With buckshot you are throwing out many projectiles with each shot which of course makes it easier to hit the target. Yes slower to reload but I think if you are in a close range shooting and have to shoot more then 6-8 times with a shotgun you are in trouble that a 30 rd. AR probably ain't going to help you with either. I had a chance last year to buy a Saiga for a good price [$325] but I didn't like how it handled. A good shotgun should point natural to make quick shots more easy. The Saiga didn't have this. As to a 12 ga. kicking to much....My friends and me were shooting 12 ga. magnums at Geese when I was 15 and I don't recall us having any troubles.Just man up I have lots of guns but if I had to pick one for a job like this I think I would use my old Rem. Mod 11 Auto 12 ga with a sawed off 18 inch barrel. Handles great and very dependable..I have other shotguns including a nice 870 riot gun but the Mod. 11 is quicker on target which is what you need in a case like this.... Do you find this valuable? |
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Pistolwhip1911 |
7. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 7:43 AM EST
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I agree, and as far as the feel of the Saiga, to each his own.Another important point on shotguns is the variety of ammo types. Each different type is good for a different purpose. Be it buck, bird, slug, non lethal (bean bag) or other wise, the shotgun has a wide variety of roles to fill in a single weapons platform. Do you find this valuable? |
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Blackmagic007 |
8. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 8:12 AM EST
If you in close combat with a short barrel assault rifle its the same as what you would do with a shotgun. Bring the rifle up in that direction get a quick site picture and pull the trigger. No need to get it in the iron sites. Close combat, basically a confined space or area. Your going to be moving from building to building. Spot to spot. The only kind of shotgun you would want is a tactical one with just the pistol grip. Its not about manning up. Its what your comfortable with. In basic training the rifle I used was a assault rifle. When I bought my weapons, all assault rifles. The kick doesn't bother me its the fact that I dont use one enough to like it. When the SHTF I'm gonna be running around with a assault rifle and the only time I'll pick up a shotgun is if I have to. Do you find this valuable? |
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Filadog |
9. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 9:41 AM EST
"If you in close combat with a short barrel assault rifle its the same as what you would do with a shotgun. Bring the rifle up in that direction get a quick site picture and pull the trigger. No need to get it in the iron sites. Close combat, basically a confined space or area. Your going to be moving from building to building. Spot to spot. The only kind of shotgun you would want is a tactical one with just the pistol grip.Sort of lost me when you say "no need to use the iron sites" and also say "get a quick site picture" Even at close range, even with a shotgun you still have to aim the gun to make reliable hits. If you had much experance with a shotgun you would know at close range it is much easier to hit a small moving target with it then it is with a rifle. Not only because most shotguns point better but because you are shooting shot that spreads out and not a single projectile. If you don't believe this and think a short barrel rifle performs the same as a shotgun you should go and shoot some trap using your rifle against a person shooting a shotgun. I think you will soon see how much more effective a shotgun is on close range targets that are moving fast. A pistol grip only shotgun is a very poor choice for most situations. Very hard to hit anything with one past point blank range. A shotgun is a not the correct gun for every job and has it''s limitations but I think one job it is made for is for close range combat Do you find this valuable? |
Themiddleodnowhere |
10. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 9:54 AM EST
"Sort of lost me when you say "no need to use the iron sites" and also say "get a quick site picture"i dont know, tel you the truth, i want something that fires FAST im not saying that shotguns are bad, but im gonna be a bastard and grouping them into a group that is 300rpm or lower weapons i would like a MAC-10 for close quarters, even tho this is the inaccurate gangsta weapon of choice, it spits out an amazing 1200rpm, and with a (40?) round clip, you can shred anything in front of you....thats kinda what most SMG are designed for, withering fire, small platform another great choice would be a P90....not to be weird, i fell in love with this thing from Modern Warfare, and i would love to get my hands on one, and a MAC-10 for that matter Do you find this valuable? |
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Filadog |
11. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 11:05 AM EST
"i dont know, tel you the truth, i want something that fires FASTI own a legal registered Mini Uzi SMG..here it is http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/2300199/aview/1266162584576_MVC-001F.JPG A much higher quality gun then a Mac 10 though shoots at about the same rate of fire...about 20 rounds a second. At that rate of fire it doesn't take long to empty your magazine An effective weapon, I've shot mine alot and it is very dependable and more accurate then you would imagine. If I had to coose it or my old Remington mod. 11 shotgun to use for close range combat I would pick the shotgun hands down.....I've shot them both and I think the shotgun is the more effective arm for a job like this Do you find this valuable? |
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Pro-ex1 |
12. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 3:25 PM EST
what about for when you have to wack a zombie with something common in the house?
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mudroll |
13. RE: close range combat?
Feb 14 2010, 6:51 PM EST
Get a bat or a chair.
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Mightypeon |
14. RE: close range combat?
Feb 15 2010, 1:21 PM EST
"what is the best close range combat weapon for zombies? personally i dont want to get close to something that can turn me into one of them by biteing me but you know...if you have to..."Well, coming from Germany (which has a lack of easily available firearms), I would go with a Polearm. Does not run out of ammo, looks cool and has all the Zombie Bloods relativly far away from you. Also, Polearms are a bit easier to use than Swords, especially if you dont know what you are doing. Do you find this valuable? |
John_234 |
15. RE: close range combat?
Feb 15 2010, 1:44 PM EST
FYI, getting a quick sight picture does in fact use the sights. It's called a flash sight picture, where you transpose the front sight over the target.Pistol grip shotguns aren't the best option. Perhaps a folding stock, but I'd never hamstring myself with a pistol grip like that. I really didn't like the Mac-10. It's really a gigantic gun. The Mac 11 is more manageable, but it's in the 9mm short, instead of 9mm Para or .45 ACP. Even then, the rate of fire was ridiculous. I'd personally use a heavier bolt in the Mini Uzi to slow the rate of fire to a practical level. The P90 was decent. The controls are a bit awkward at first, but they work well. My main complaint is how awkward the reloading is. Shotguns are king in close quarters. It's what their ideal for, not to mention breaching doors. Also consider that it'd be easier to acquire and feed shotguns. Much easier than an SBR or a select fire sub gun, at least. By the way, am I the only person who transitions into handgun at super close quarters? For certain building types during room clearing, a sub gun or short shotgun can still be too much, and I think the handling of a pistol is worth the loss in firepower. Do you find this valuable? |
herrteufelhund |
16. RE: close range combat?
Feb 15 2010, 2:15 PM EST
No if I'm in an attic or something and cant get the right amount of space to use my longgun (and I use a 10.5 inch AR) the handgun get used. I will argue that an AR is the king of battle over nearly every other weapon (just my opnion) but if I was in a room and had to hold it and got to pick any set up of a weapon system out there but could only shoot one round per target, it would be a shotty. My AR does things that my shotgun doesn't but a shotgun in a house is very hard to beat. Quick to comabt load and you get great knockdown power. The range is bad but if your in most house the longest **** you'll make is under 20 yards well inside the shotguns capablities. Plus there is the CDI factor! lol Do you find this valuable? |
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defconmissilesystem |
17. RE: close range combat?
Feb 17 2010, 11:10 AM EST
What about a FAL?semi-auto,powerful and fast reload.
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Themiddleodnowhere |
18. RE: close range combat?
Feb 17 2010, 11:39 AM EST
"What about a FAL?semi-auto,powerful and fast reload."i dont know, the FAL, is a long gun, and a large cartrige, id rather have an M-14 if we were gona have this discussion, its full auto :p my friend had a mini-uzi, i loved that thing, ive never held a mac-10, or 11, just read about them, they seemed usful for this kinda thing and i justlove the way the p90 looks, its almost alien, it doesnt look like its ment to be held by humans! Do you find this valuable? |
Bsamples |
19. RE: close range combat?
Feb 17 2010, 12:49 PM EST
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There is just one problem with guns and that is what if you are surrounded by zombies............and you happen to run out of ammo. I'm not saying ditch the guns by any means but it would be wise to keep some kind of weapon like a sword or machete just in case you run out of ammo and you don't want to die just quite yet. but when it comes down to guns a .45 semi auto as a side arm because it has substantial stopping power. and for the long range perhaps a Thompson m1-a1 because you can mow down large groups in a matter of seconds. But be sure to keep a blade on you at all times for when you do run out of ammo.
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