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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
Idea for a new drill
Feb 17 2010, 11:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:24 PM EST
A weapons training drill seems appropriate.
People involved: Someone simulating a zombie (for a challenge try multiple people) ; Person being trained ( i don't remember the lingo sorry)
For the purpose of an example lets try a close range weapon, say a knife.
The "zombie" will try to "bite" the trainee ( a simple touch of the head to any body part will suffice) While the trainee tries to stab the zombie(s) with a rubber knife.
Another example would be multiple ZOPFORS and say a screwdriver vs 3 ZOPFORS, it would be good training; also trying not to be surrounded is useful.
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182crazyking
182crazyking
1. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 17 2010, 11:19 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:19 PM EST
That's a nice one, but anyone can hit a zombie with a knife if they're agile enough and the ZOPFOR roleplayer has good "rigor mortis" =)

Here's an idea to make this into a constructive post.
You could sound a siren in your base, followed by a secondary siren with a different sound (this is a drill) when your team is eating lunch or something. Then have 10 ZOPFOR roleplayers enter and try to attack the base. The touch with the head would be an infection. The players would have to get up, locate a firearm or other weapon, and take down the zombie. Firearms should be kept on SAFE; the way to 'kill' a 'zombie' would be to aim at their head (keeping your finger off the trigger) and saying, "Bang!" Time them and see how well they did. Then step in and tell the players how good they did. Then suprise everyone with some chocolate that night ^_^
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
2. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 17 2010, 11:20 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:20 PM EST
Sorry for multiple posts i'll make it short. Another idea would be practicing for cleanup made easy, because that is very dangerous.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
3. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 17 2010, 11:23 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:23 PM EST
"That's a nice one, but anyone can hit a zombie with a knife if they're agile enough and the ZOPFOR roleplayer has good "rigor mortis" =)

Here's an idea to make this into a constructive post.
You could sound a siren in your base, followed by a secondary siren with a different sound (this is a drill) when your team is eating lunch or something. Then have 10 ZOPFOR roleplayers enter and try to attack the base. The touch with the head would be an infection. The players would have to get up, locate a firearm or other weapon, and take down the zombie. Firearms should be kept on SAFE; the way to 'kill' a 'zombie' would be to aim at their head (keeping your finger off the trigger) and saying, "Bang!" Time them and see how well they did. Then step in and tell the players how good they did. Then suprise everyone with some chocolate that night ^_^"
with multiple ZOPFORS and different weapons, say a screwdriver vs 3 ZOPFORS it would be good training also trying not to be surrounded
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DevilNuts
DevilNuts
4. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 17 2010, 11:41 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:42 PM EST
"... it would be good training also trying not to be surrounded"
Absolutely. We used to do "mugger drills" all the time in Krav Maga, where the student is approached and "surrounded" by two or more attackers. The purpose of the drill is twofold: 1) get to the outside, thus preventing them from surrounding you (and neutralizing the far-side attacker), and 2) doing it in a manner which leaves an open escape route.

1 is the easy part, 2 can be a b!tch. But it's good training, and the more variety and unexpected things you toss in there, the more effective the training will be in order to condition your mind to "think on your feet."

Good luck, and good training.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
5. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 18 2010, 12:38 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 12:38 AM EST
"Absolutely. We used to do "mugger drills" all the time in Krav Maga, where the student is approached and "surrounded" by two or more attackers. The purpose of the drill is twofold: 1) get to the outside, thus preventing them from surrounding you (and neutralizing the far-side attacker), and 2) doing it in a manner which leaves an open escape route.

1 is the easy part, 2 can be a b!tch. But it's good training, and the more variety and unexpected things you toss in there, the more effective the training will be in order to condition your mind to "think on your feet."

Good luck, and good training. "
I used to train Krav Maga, my brother was in the Israeli army and he would train me on breaks. It's really a street martial art.
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John_234
John_234
6. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 18 2010, 1:49 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 1:51 AM EST
"That's a nice one, but anyone can hit a zombie with a knife if they're agile enough and the ZOPFOR roleplayer has good "rigor mortis" =)

Here's an idea to make this into a constructive post.
You could sound a siren in your base, followed by a secondary siren with a different sound (this is a drill) when your team is eating lunch or something. Then have 10 ZOPFOR roleplayers enter and try to attack the base. The touch with the head would be an infection. The players would have to get up, locate a firearm or other weapon, and take down the zombie. Firearms should be kept on SAFE; the way to 'kill' a 'zombie' would be to aim at their head (keeping your finger off the trigger) and saying, "Bang!" Time them and see how well they did. Then step in and tell the players how good they did. Then suprise everyone with some chocolate that night ^_^"
That's an absolutely terrible idea. A secondary alarm might not distinct enough to keep people from acting in panic, causing unneeded harm to the actors even in perfect conditions. Mostly, it's the guns. You *NEVER* allow live weapons into a force on force training scenario.
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jdi35
jdi35
7. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 18 2010, 2:38 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 2:38 AM EST
the military uses blanks and lasers for most of their training scenarios. the gun muzzle is fitted with a stop so the wadding in the blank doesn't hit anyone and each soldier has a sensor which detects the laser shot. although some of the SpecOps units use Simunition. basically a dye filled plastic bullet that you can actually shoot at someone, but i think there's a 10 yard minimum distance on the ammo. Do you find this valuable?    
DevilNuts
DevilNuts
8. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 18 2010, 3:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 3:13 AM EST
Everybody uses SimRounds, not just SOF. Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
9. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 18 2010, 3:43 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 3:43 AM EST
"the military uses blanks and lasers..."

You're thinking of the MILES system. I must say, it sucks. Not so much the use of it... but it's administration. I.E., many units will just tell Pvt. Snuffy "Hey, just 550 cord it to the end of your weapon..." & not even try to Zero the damn thing.

"Simunition...." Like DN said... everyone uses it. MILES is more cost effective. Simunition is kinda like the 'Play-offs'... you 'See' the result of your round placement, but each 'round' isn't cheap.
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jdi35
jdi35
10. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 26 2010, 12:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2010, 12:51 PM EST
i stand corrected. unfortunately it only comes in 3 calibers: 5.56, 9mm and .38 spec Do you find this valuable?    
AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
11. RE: Idea for a new drill
Feb 26 2010, 4:37 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2010, 4:37 PM EST
"A weapons training drill seems appropriate.
People involved: Someone simulating a zombie (for a challenge try multiple people) ; Person being trained ( i don't remember the lingo sorry)
For the purpose of an example lets try a close range weapon, say a knife.
The "zombie" will try to "bite" the trainee ( a simple touch of the head to any body part will suffice) While the trainee tries to stab the zombie(s) with a rubber knife.
Another example would be multiple ZOPFORS and say a screwdriver vs 3 ZOPFORS, it would be good training; also trying not to be surrounded is useful."
Very easy. I've been trained a bit in knife fighting, but even without, its not hard to keep someone at arms distance. I dont think "head contact" is fair to count as a bite. Have you ever tried to bite something that wasnt holding still? Kinda tough.
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