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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 12:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 12:16 AM EST
I disagree with your suggestion of not going to search for more supplies, items like duct tape, and scrap metal are necessary for survival and easily found. Do you find this valuable?    
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Carnack
Carnack
1. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 3:11 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 3:11 AM EST
"I disagree with your suggestion of not going to search for more supplies, items like duct tape, and scrap metal are necessary for survival and easily found."
Not in a ZedPoc scenario.
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PyroPredator
PyroPredator
2. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 4:30 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 4:30 AM EST
I'm confused about why this is here but I will chime in. If you have begun setting up a defensive position and have a good stock of primary supplies and a good team to go hunting, then xecondary supplies should be aquired. If nothing more than to shore up your defenses. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
3. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 5:07 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 5:07 AM EST
"I disagree with your suggestion of not going to search for more supplies, items like duct tape, and scrap metal are necessary for survival and easily found."
Always glad to see someone is reading my plan. I usually think it is too long for people to bother with.

But can you qualify "necessary"? I will have solid walls, all the food and water I need, quality shelter and methods of defense. What will neccessitate scavenging besides the aforementioned needs for medical supplies and possibly water filters? Both of those are only possible needs, not certainty.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
4. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 6:08 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 6:08 PM EST
"Always glad to see someone is reading my plan. I usually think it is too long for people to bother with.

But can you qualify "necessary"? I will have solid walls, all the food and water I need, quality shelter and methods of defense. What will neccessitate scavenging besides the aforementioned needs for medical supplies and possibly water filters? Both of those are only possible needs, not certainty."
What about scrap metal, or duct tape, or bullets?
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ViolentKisses
ViolentKisses
5. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 6:58 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 6:58 PM EST
Yeah you have yet to see pedro's plan it includes everything and 5 kitchen sinks.

Should a person happen to find their missing something or need to do a monthly scavenge out into the world then certainly make sure your prepared for the worse.

Know everything about the zombies or any opponent and select the time day or night thats most advantageous to you.
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3DayAsylum
3DayAsylum
6. RE: Disagreement
Feb 18 2010, 6:59 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 6:59 PM EST
Solid walls, more than enough food, and a roof isn't enough for you?

The solid walls won't be withered away by bullets, since he won't be getting shot at.
So ix-nay on the sheet metal.

The duct tape will not be needed because he probably will never need more than what he has: I'd say roughly one roll.

Extra bullets won't be needed because he, if sane at all, won't be firing like a redneck.
I can almost guarantee that there wouldn't be a horde of zombies waiting around in front of his place of residence.
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rusrsbrah?
7. RE: Disagreement
Mar 7 2010, 5:35 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 7 2010, 5:35 PM EST
yea man. he's on a remote island in the carribean. he aint gonna need much more than he already has haha. Do you find this valuable?    
DevilNuts
DevilNuts
8. RE: Disagreement
Mar 7 2010, 6:04 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 7 2010, 6:04 PM EST
Pedro's Plan also costs around $500,000,000.00

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AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
9. RE: Disagreement
Mar 7 2010, 6:24 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 7 2010, 6:24 PM EST
"The solid walls won't be withered away by bullets, since he won't be getting shot at. So ix-nay on the sheet metal."
What sheet metal have you been using? We can't order sheet steel thick enough to stop a bullet by a long shot.

I do agree scrap metal will be easy to scavenge in the department of aluminum and steel, but more specialized metals like titanium and nickel alloys will be tough if you don't know where to look. From a mechanics stand point, duct tape is a no-no. There is always a better way of securing something than duct tape, and if I need to secure something fast, I carry 2 spools of .032 lock wire in my BOB.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
10. RE: Disagreement
Mar 9 2010, 5:48 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 9 2010, 5:48 PM EST
"Pedro's Plan also costs around $500,000,000.00

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True, splurge for the $1.50 duct tape?
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
11. RE: Disagreement
Jun 10 2010, 7:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 10 2010, 7:49 PM EDT
"Pedro's Plan also costs around $500,000,000.00

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Just read this. Typical military budget projection. "You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?" :P
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
12. RE: Disagreement
Jun 13 2010, 5:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 13 2010, 5:45 PM EDT
"Just read this. Typical military budget projection. "You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?" :P"
No, but your plan is quite costly to be honest.
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Jahadaz
Jahadaz
13. RE: Disagreement
Jun 13 2010, 6:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 13 2010, 6:18 PM EDT
"Just read this. Typical military budget projection. "You don't actually think they spend $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?" :P"
Can you name what movie it was from without google? ;)
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theghostnthedarkness
theghostnthedarkness
14. RE: Disagreement
Jun 13 2010, 7:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 13 2010, 7:19 PM EDT
"Can you name what movie it was from without google? ;)
"
independence day.
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brandon_a_boyer
brandon_a_boyer
15. RE: Disagreement
Jun 13 2010, 8:02 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 13 2010, 8:02 PM EDT
"What sheet metal have you been using? We can't order sheet steel thick enough to stop a bullet by a long shot.

I do agree scrap metal will be easy to scavenge in the department of aluminum and steel, but more specialized metals like titanium and nickel alloys will be tough if you don't know where to look. From a mechanics stand point, duct tape is a no-no. There is always a better way of securing something than duct tape, and if I need to secure something fast, I carry 2 spools of .032 lock wire in my BOB."
Technically past 1/4 inch it's considered plate metal. If I wast going for bullet-proofing I would use inch thick, or I would use three layers of 1/4 and have a standoff distance between the plates.

Personally I'd say bollocks to the titanium and high alloy steels. Most of their applications would be irrelevant in a z-day scenario.
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XCVG
XCVG
16. RE: Disagreement
Jun 27 2010, 8:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 8:13 PM EDT
Maybe I'm a little late, but I'd like to chime in.

Stuff breaks. Whether it is a computer, an engine, a gun, it doesn't matter, nothing lasts forever. Some things will last a long time, some won't. Some are repairable, some aren't.

This is where scrounging comes in. You can get parts and tools to repair equipment, and maybe pick up some extras as well. For example, my plan involves using solar power. The panels and batteries degrade over time and have to be replaced.

Of course, there are consumables as well. Not so much food, but things like batteries, matches, and ammunition. Even the biggest stockpile will eventually be all used up.

Personally, I think scrounging is more of a way to stretch and augment your supplies, not necessarily get them in the beginning, as much sense as that must make.
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Carnack
Carnack
17. RE: Disagreement
Jun 27 2010, 8:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 8:25 PM EDT
"Maybe I'm a little late, but I'd like to chime in.

Stuff breaks. Whether it is a computer, an engine, a gun, it doesn't matter, nothing lasts forever. Some things will last a long time, some won't. Some are repairable, some aren't.

This is where scrounging comes in. You can get parts and tools to repair equipment, and maybe pick up some extras as well. For example, my plan involves using solar power. The panels and batteries degrade over time and have to be replaced.

Of course, there are consumables as well. Not so much food, but things like batteries, matches, and ammunition. Even the biggest stockpile will eventually be all used up.

Personally, I think scrounging is more of a way to stretch and augment your supplies, not necessarily get them in the beginning, as much sense as that must make."
Stuff breaks. And you can in turn stock replacement parts.

"This is where scrounging comes in. You {may} get parts and tools to repair equipment, and maybe pick up some extras {that probably won't work} as well."

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XCVG
XCVG
18. RE: Disagreement
Jun 29 2010, 11:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2010, 11:37 AM EDT
Well, a big part of it is luck, isn't it? There are a lot of things that could break right away or last years. Scrounging, yeah, maybe you find stuff, maybe not, maybe it works, maybe not. You could find a stockpile of unused, brand new batteries, or you could come back with two cans of soup. Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
19. RE: Disagreement
Jun 29 2010, 12:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2010, 12:33 PM EDT
"Maybe I'm a little late, but I'd like to chime in.

Stuff breaks. Whether it is a computer, an engine, a gun, it doesn't matter, nothing lasts forever. Some things will last a long time, some won't. Some are repairable, some aren't.

This is where scrounging comes in. You can get parts and tools to repair equipment, and maybe pick up some extras as well. For example, my plan involves using solar power. The panels and batteries degrade over time and have to be replaced.

Of course, there are consumables as well. Not so much food, but things like batteries, matches, and ammunition. Even the biggest stockpile will eventually be all used up.

Personally, I think scrounging is more of a way to stretch and augment your supplies, not necessarily get them in the beginning, as much sense as that must make."
Solar panels are guaranteed under normal conditions to last for 30 years with less than 5% power loss. So only the batteries are going to be an issue.

But, with a little chemistry know-how, you can store the lead plates and all you need for the acid safely, and they will keeep until you need them.

Ammo, you again need to stockpile. If you think you might run out, your stockpile isn't big enough. Either keep ready made bullets, or buy separates: casings, powder, lead, etc.

Scavenging comes witih risks. Zombies, Raiders, other scared survivors taking potshots at you. Collapsing buildings, shifting rubble, feral animals. Gas pockets in buildings, infections like tetanus from scratches, dysentery from rotting food and sewage.

Those risks are only worth taking if you *need* something. My plan covers almost all needs. Yes, should we be missing a vital part for something, it may be worth going outside.

But then again, what would you deem worth it?
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