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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 18 2010, 10:35 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 18 2010, 10:35 PM EST
What do you guys think about filling garbage bags with dirt or soil to make barricades. 1  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

Bipp
1. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 12:03 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 12:03 AM EST
Not a good plan. You might as well just pile the dirt up where you want it. The plastic garbage bags will rip easily, the zombies will just claw holes in the bags and the dirt will just run out to the ground.

If you had some canvas or burlap bags they may work better, just like a sand bag.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
2. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 12:43 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 12:43 AM EST
"Not a good plan. You might as well just pile the dirt up where you want it. The plastic garbage bags will rip easily, the zombies will just claw holes in the bags and the dirt will just run out to the ground.

If you had some canvas or burlap bags they may work better, just like a sand bag. "
It is piling up the dirt, only the bads provide a good way to transport dirt from outside to inside.
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Jahadaz
Jahadaz
3. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 12:50 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 12:50 AM EST
Check out Hesco Barriers. Although since we are talking about garbage bags, the price tags on these will probably be a little steep. lol Do you find this valuable?    
Freelancer47
Freelancer47
4. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:03 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:03 AM EST
Good Intentions Ian Kaplan, just wrong way to go about it.

As far as barriers go- you could place the Garbage Bags where you want a Barrier, then you'd have to fill them up in place... not all dirt is going to be 'Just Dirt'... it's going to have rocks, twigs, etc...

Once you have your barrier in place, cover it with carpeting. Secure the Carpeting in place... then re-enforce it with something else.

I have a few ideas on filling up Trash Dumpsters with Dirt, Asphalt, Concrete, etc... once I knock the wheels off.
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
5. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:33 AM EST
"Good Intentions Ian Kaplan, just wrong way to go about it.

As far as barriers go- you could place the Garbage Bags where you want a Barrier, then you'd have to fill them up in place... not all dirt is going to be 'Just Dirt'... it's going to have rocks, twigs, etc...

Once you have your barrier in place, cover it with carpeting. Secure the Carpeting in place... then re-enforce it with something else.

I have a few ideas on filling up Trash Dumpsters with Dirt, Asphalt, Concrete, etc... once I knock the wheels off."
I heard they teach my method in Green Beret training, is it true?
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Freelancer47
Freelancer47
6. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:19 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:19 AM EST
"I heard they teach my method in Greed Beret training, is it true?"
This is News to me. I'm not a Green Beret, nor have I ever been... but this is interesting. I'll check into it...
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StrykerPez
StrykerPez
7. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:33 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:33 AM EST
Homemade Hesco walls:

Measure out 16' lengths of 5' tall wire mesh fencing.

Wrap the fencing into cylinders, using pliers to join the two ends together.

Using tarp or canvas, cut strips the same size as the fence lengths (5'x16') or slightly larger. (Example: if you have a 20x20 tarp, you can get four 5' strips.)

Line the inside of the fence with the tarp. Use tape, zip ties, or tie wire to hold the tarp in place.

Fill the cylinder with dirt, rocks, debris, etc.

Repeat.

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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
8. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:34 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:34 AM EST
"Homemade Hesco walls:

Measure out 16' lengths of 5' tall wire mesh fencing.

Wrap the fencing into cylinders, using pliers to join the two ends together.

Using tarp or canvas, cut strips the same size as the fence lengths (5'x16') or slightly larger. (Example: if you have a 20x20 tarp, you can get four 5' strips.)

Line the inside of the fence with the tarp. Use tape, zip ties, or tie wire to hold the tarp in place.

Fill the cylinder with dirt, rocks, debris, etc.

Repeat.

"
That's pretty much the same.
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Jahadaz
Jahadaz
9. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 1:52 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 1:52 AM EST
"Homemade Hesco walls:

Measure out 16' lengths of 5' tall wire mesh fencing.

Wrap the fencing into cylinders, using pliers to join the two ends together.

Using tarp or canvas, cut strips the same size as the fence lengths (5'x16') or slightly larger. (Example: if you have a 20x20 tarp, you can get four 5' strips.)

Line the inside of the fence with the tarp. Use tape, zip ties, or tie wire to hold the tarp in place.

Fill the cylinder with dirt, rocks, debris, etc.

Repeat.

"
I like it. Now just get a backhoe to fill em up. lol
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StrykerPez
StrykerPez
10. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 2:30 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 2:30 AM EST
I have a backhoe :) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
11. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 5:16 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 5:16 AM EST
Garbage bags degrade over time. They are designed to. This happens quicker when in contact with moisture, like wet soil. So unless you are wanting to have the soil lose it's shape, you need to come up with something a little more long-term. Do you find this valuable?    
timberrattler
timberrattler
12. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 5:28 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 5:28 AM EST
"What do you guys think about filling garbage bags with dirt or soil to make barricades."
I tell you what spitfire, go fill a 30 gal trash bag with clay dirt and then try and lift it. If the bottom doesn't fall out it would be a miracle. I didn't know Green Berets packed trash bags everywhere they went either. There are lots better ways to go about building a barricade. Luckily some knowledgable members have already provided you with some.
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MajorDamage
13. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 6:18 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 6:18 AM EST
"What do you guys think about filling garbage bags with dirt or soil to make barricades."
The only possible practical usage for this comes from a different survival environment:
nuclear
A large heavy-duty yard bag filled with dirt and placed over basement windows (full or garden basement) or better yet 3-4 of them, will go a long way toward blocking and stopping radiation from the blast. Alpha & beta rays for sure but you need about 4 ft or more of dirt to keep the gamma rays out.
This is considered emergency pre-blast prep if time allows.
Given the nature of nuclear blasts/effects, it's best to be underground and out of the path from the gamma rays (which travel in straight line over the surface).

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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
14. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 8:26 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 8:26 PM EST
"The only possible practical usage for this comes from a different survival environment:
nuclear
A large heavy-duty yard bag filled with dirt and placed over basement windows (full or garden basement) or better yet 3-4 of them, will go a long way toward blocking and stopping radiation from the blast. Alpha & beta rays for sure but you need about 4 ft or more of dirt to keep the gamma rays out.
This is considered emergency pre-blast prep if time allows.
Given the nature of nuclear blasts/effects, it's best to be underground and out of the path from the gamma rays (which travel in straight line over the surface).

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Soil has the same potency in stopping bullets as sand does. This method has been proven to stop bullets in test runs. Not 50 cal or anything, by small caliber, yes.
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MajorDamage
15. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 8:41 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 8:41 PM EST
"Soil has the same potency in stopping bullets as sand does. This method has been proven to stop bullets in test runs. Not 50 cal or anything, by small caliber, yes."
the 'soil' you pour into a bag will be loose and actually less potent than wet sand

where is the zombie application again? Barricade?
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IanKaplan
IanKaplan
16. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 9:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 9:04 PM EST
"the 'soil' you pour into a bag will be loose and actually less potent than wet sand

where is the zombie application again? Barricade?"
also in bullet protection from raiders
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D.Munro
D.Munro
17. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 9:07 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 9:07 PM EST
I don't think you will be able to move around a garbage bag full of dirt. It will weigh too much and the bags will rip. Do you find this valuable?    
IanKaplan
IanKaplan
18. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 19 2010, 10:33 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 10:33 PM EST
"I don't think you will be able to move around a garbage bag full of dirt. It will weigh too much and the bags will rip."
In the demonstration I saw they filled it 2/3 and it worked fine, remember these bags are made to be filled to the top with garbage.
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
19. RE: Filling a Garbage Bags With Dirt or Soil
Feb 20 2010, 7:31 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 20 2010, 3:58 PM EST
"In the demonstration I saw they filled it 2/3 and it worked fine, remember these bags are made to be filled to the top with garbage."
Garbage is not as dense as soil. Speaking from experience, if you are moving that quantity of dirt, you need to use specially designed rubble sacks. Available from the garden centre, they are meant to be used when removing large quantities of soil, brick, slate and glass from your garden.

As for radiation, 3.6 inches of packed dirt is considered one "halving-thickness". A fallout shelter has ten halving thicknesses. So you need three feet of dirt to mitigate radiation.
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