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duttyrock	When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 8 2010, 2:49 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 2:49 AM EST Scenario: Z-Day Year 9. You and a precious few other human have survived, successfully established a self sustaining and defend-able community. The cost has been severe, in personnel and supplies. You have raided every abandoned community for 200 miles, heavy fighting has left very little. You ammo supply is dangerously low, despite reloading. The shell cases are weakened from repeated firing, your firearms worn , some beyond repair. While the zombie are fewer, thousands attack every year. How do you defend your settlement, what weapons would you focus on first? Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: crossbows fortress halberd melee shotgun spear survival
theghostnthedarkness	1. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 8 2010, 3:21 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 3:21 AM EST do you have some sory of power? do the zombies attack all at once or in small groups? if you do you could use nail guns or something of like, or maybe even make something that would shoot larger nails if you were clever enough to make it. you could dig trenches around your forte and when the zombies come they would be stuck and you could light them on fire. it would take a considerable amount of time for them all to burn and the stink would horrible but it would work. you could also make catapults to toss large objects like refridgerators and stoves at the crowds of zombies. you could surround your fortress with barbed wire and when the zombies get tangled up in it you could dispatch them with long spears. Post reply 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
StrykerPez	2. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 8 2010, 4:11 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 4:11 AM EST Bows, Crossbows, and Trebuchet. As far as "crossbows" are concerned, you can actually make very large ones that are mounted to a turret and pulled back with a winch. Swords, spears, and knives would also find more use. Just because modern guns are useless doesn't mean the use of explosive to propel a projectile is obsolete. You can easily manufacture gunpowder or Nitrate explosive and use it in muzzle-loading type weapons (from a large cannon to a simple 1/2" water pipe with a cap on the end. 9 years post z-day? I would expect by that time my compound would have a constant flow of fuel. [my plan includes oil wells (also electricity, the fuel powers generators)] Flame-throwers and electric fences would be in use. Compressed air is also useful. (and compressors run on electricity) Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Freelancer47	3. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 8 2010, 4:22 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 8 2010, 4:22 AM EST Dear Mr. Duttyrock, It is my sad obligation to tell you that your thread does not qualify for the 'Threads of Legend' Category. Though your thread is interesting (and well written Sir), it does not fall into the realm of 'Legend'. I will PM shortly. I'm a big fan of Bludgeons. Like, HUGE. Old People's walkers can hurt like Hell. How do I know this? I saw some prick get smacked around by a Grandpa 1/2 his size... Those threads are threads that have been here for a bit (Say, a few weeks at least) and have been useful to the community. Yes I understand one of those threads are my own. You can see from the comments just on the first page it was something many people wanted to start up, but I started it. And the info on that thread alone is pretty good. Also, the thread must have been duplicated in some fashion. I.E., it must have inspired people. Finally, it must be locked at the OP's request. This lock is requested because the creator wants threads like it to grow. Not to mention that it keeps the other category cleaned up a bit. Regards Sir, Freelancer47 Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
AlexHigginbotham	4. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 8 2010, 10:01 PM EST When the bullets run out what will I do......hmmm..........hmmmmmm....... I will die happily knowing I never had a chance, because after killing 5,000+ zombies, I was unable to wise up and find a safe place. Post reply 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
duttyrock	5. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 10 2010, 9:16 PM EST "Bows, Crossbows, and Trebuchet. As far as "crossbows" are concerned, you can actually make very large ones that are mounted to a turret and pulled back with a winch. Swords, spears, and knives would also find more use. Just because modern guns are useless doesn't mean the use of explosive to propel a projectile is obsolete. You can easily manufacture gunpowder or Nitrate explosive and use it in muzzle-loading type weapons (from a large cannon to a simple 1/2" water pipe with a cap on the end. 9 years post z-day? I would expect by that time my compound would have a constant flow of fuel. [my plan includes oil wells (also electricity, the fuel powers generators)] Flame-throwers and electric fences would be in use. Compressed air is also useful. (and compressors run on electricity) " @ StrykerPez. We're thinking along the same lines. Bullets will run out, firing pins will break and can't be replaced; trigger springs will wear-out. But, there are options. America has almost an endless supply of various flammable liquids, that could be used in flame throwers. Leafsprings from abandoned cars could be used for powerful crossbows, swords, battleaxes, halberds, etc. Muzzle loader are another option. Post reply 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	6. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 11 2010, 11:32 PM EST if at all possible, and im only trying to add something in, you could always attempt to find the factories thqt either make the ammo or the guns.. its a longshot.. i mean, after 9 years everything might already be gone, but, you could try to extend firearm usage a little longer. and if not, then the bullets you use to reload and the pellets/buckshot in shells can be used still like freelander had mentioned, in a musket fashion, with whatever explosive to fire. God, a world without guns... tears Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Shadow_Sukhoi	7. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 11 2010, 11:57 PM EST Don't wait 9 years to check out the ammo factories, get there in a month or two, and snag the moldings while everyone else is looking for pre-made ammo, ready to roll. Post reply 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	8. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 12 2010, 9:04 AM EST shadow has an undeniable point... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MattLew	9. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 14 2010, 4:56 AM EDT first point... black powder can be made easily. the hardest part is finding a source for sulfur. revolvers, lever actions, and shotguns can all handle a black powder diet, and are mechanically simpler, thus more reparable. this makes them a better long term survival choice. a bit of chemistry and you can roll your own primers... at one point you could even find info and tools to make a primer cup from scratch. plan your gun choices in advance and order a bullet mold or two ahead of time. I am personally partial to .357 / .38, but a friend recently pointed out a 44spc loan in a 44 magnum revolver keeps recoil more manageable for rapid target acquisition, while a full magnum round in the Henry lever action will handle MOST big game... I being a shotty fan add that a 12g will handle most anything the .44 or .357 can not. about the only thing that can not readily be hand loaded is a .22, so the running out of ammo question becomes moot. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
theghostnthedarkness	10. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 14 2010, 5:03 AM EDT "first point... black powder can be made easily. the hardest part is finding a source for sulfur. revolvers, lever actions, and shotguns can all handle a black powder diet, and are mechanically simpler, thus more reparable. this makes them a better long term survival choice. a bit of chemistry and you can roll your own primers... at one point you could even find info and tools to make a primer cup from scratch. plan your gun choices in advance and order a bullet mold or two ahead of time. I am personally partial to .357 / .38, but a friend recently pointed out a 44spc loan in a 44 magnum revolver keeps recoil more manageable for rapid target acquisition, while a full magnum round in the Henry lever action will handle MOST big game... I being a shotty fan add that a 12g will handle most anything the .44 or .357 can not. about the only thing that can not readily be hand loaded is a .22, so the running out of ammo question becomes moot." actually you can hand load .22s but you cant reload them. if you had what you needed to make your own .22 brass then it would be easier to make then center point ammo. at least it might be easier. plus you can only reload brass so many times and some you cant reload at all. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	11. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 14 2010, 4:25 PM EDT for my knowledge, and anyone else wondering... lets take for example a plain .223 round... how many times can you reload the brass before the shell becomes too weak? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MattThePossum	12. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 14 2010, 5:02 PM EDT i know for a fact that American Indians used to use discarded muskets as clubs when they had no ammunition, and man, some of those stories. A good solid rifle swung by it's barrel can seriously eff stuff up. That doesnt really address the problem, but it's something to do with your eventually useless rifle. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
theghostnthedarkness	13. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 15 2010, 4:12 AM EDT "for my knowledge, and anyone else wondering... lets take for example a plain .223 round... how many times can you reload the brass before the shell becomes too weak?" i think 3-5 reloads is the limit on most rounds. could be wrong though. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
richboy33lb	14. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 15 2010, 5:58 PM EDT I seriously think that if you haven't heeded the advice of almost all zombie "experts" to not shoot at zombies like a madman, then you deserve to die holding an empty .45 on your hip and a empty AK in your hands. However, if you run out of bullets, and are quite enough to stay off the human radar and not attract too mnay zombies, you could easily hold Zack off for some time with "tools", such as crowbars, hammers, katanas, whatever. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	15. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 17 2010, 9:20 AM EDT its still imperative to engage any and all hostile targets at distance if you absolutely must. think for a second, really.. if zed blood is as infectious as people guess it would be, then i doubt you'd make it out of a hand to hand or crowbar to bite fight... its too much a risk to engage close unless you are OUT of all other options. so tell me that i haven't heeded the advice of 'experts'.. the reason for bringing up reloading rounds is because there wont be any more manufacturing once it hits. everything stops unless we do something about it.. as for assaulting the zombie menace, thats only to secure necessities or try to obtain technology that may be lost. you can hide, thats fine, i will too.. but i will also try to keep some sort of facility running... be it a lumber producing place, ammunition depot, etc.. whatevers out there will need to be taken care of... that should be somewhere in everyone's list of things.... to preserve our dominance technologically. and maybe we'll be able to fix the world... ya never know Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
duterfel	16. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 17 2010, 11:09 AM EDT I have said this before. I truely believe that there will never be a time where what remains of humanity will run out of ammunition. There is a hell of a lot of ammo sitting in bunkers right now all over the world. If a large portion of the population is instantly whipped out...then what was for everyone is now just for the few that remain. If there were six billion people left then we will certainly run out of things like gas and ammo very quickly. But if there is only a few thousand peole left on earth...what are you worried about. A few thousand people could not concievably consume everything that has already been manufactured even within a decades time. Military ammunition and ordnance bunkers can contain millions of rounds of ammunition. Police station, army bases, armoured car (cash services) companies, retail outlets and gun shops are all great places to find stockpiles of ammunition and firearms. When and if those places run dry then you have to go to the source. Gun parts are easy enough to make if you have the tools required. Ammunition is also easy enough to make if you have everything you need to make it. If you want it bad enough there will never be a day when we can't shoot off our beautiful firearms. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fudge_dragon	17. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 17 2010, 2:25 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 17 2010, 3:48 PM EDT im trying to know "how to get guns and ammo in the first place"..... I live in the uk where nearly every kind of weapon is illegal to carry. Guns are illegal to own, and so are large swords/knifes unless they are for like cutting wood, crafting/diy or cooking? if any one here knows how you would obtain a fire arm in the UK under the z-day circumstances that would be great was thinking the police station, but how often do they have weapons in them? unless they are a c0-19 hq station... i was thinking a good tool to cary would be the mini chaisaw in my garage but that is kinda heavy.... what makeshift/ordinary weapons are there? spades? i have a few but what else? but i was thinking an extremely usefull and very easy to obtain (well relatively easy) weapon, it is a "telescopic baton" the ones that the police use, although mele combat should always be avoided, these are very easy to cary as they extend out from the original length, they are also very powerful. i Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
duterfel	18. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 17 2010, 4:01 PM EDT Find the military...or where the military use to be. They will have guns. My girlfriend is from the UK. She says that people who live in the more isolated small towns have shotguns and sometimes hunting rifles. It sucks that your government has limited your ability to defend yourself so much. Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fudge_dragon	19. RE: When the Bullets Run Out, What Then??? Mar 17 2010, 4:07 PM EDT "Find the military...or where the military use to be. They will have guns. My girlfriend is from the UK. She says that people who live in the more isolated small towns have shotguns and sometimes hunting rifles. It sucks that your government has limited your ability to defend yourself so much. " im not too bothered about not having a gun in life, until a crisis happens, then i will be bothered, in general it has made guns hard to access so crime with guns is lower than most places, but it also means knife crime is now massive. people in the country can own shotguns and rifles, if they register it, the law states the police have to know the exact spefications of your gun before you can legally own one, so if you use it, they can track you in a few mins. finding a military base in london is kinda difficult, also how do you enter a military base? arent they surrounded by gates and barbed fences, and with nobody to open the gates... also wont the miltitary take what they need and scram~? Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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