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JordanSwallow |
1. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 9 2010, 4:59 PM EST
most likely. in all the films, it starts out with one guys, and then spreads across the world. if peopleon [planes and boats were infected, they wouldnt be able to operate them. if the zombies are passengers then we have some ****** up pilots and boat drivers. if i was bitten whilst on a plane or boat i would open the door or sink it.swimming is the only other way i can think of them travelling the whole world without using the bering straight. HOPE THIS HELPS Do you find this valuable? |
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The.Mad.Badger |
2. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 5:17 PM EST
No! Uncle z lacks the dexterity and co ordination to swim. But, since they dont need to breath, they could just walk across the bottom of the ocean. or float about.
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PedroAsani |
3. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 6:58 PM EST
"No! Uncle z lacks the dexterity and co ordination to swim. But, since they dont need to breath, they could just walk across the bottom of the ocean. or float about."Badger, you are stating absolutes about zombies. Usual rules apply: show us a specimen (this time in a swimming pool) so we can test your assertion. As far as we can surmise, the slow, shambling type can't swim. You need to move fairly quickly to stay afloat. Also, they probably don't keep the water out of their lungs, reducing buoyancy. As for the sprinting type, maybe. They can move quickly enough, but whether they have co-ordination is unknown. In addition, both types are often portrayed with a fear of both water and fire. Personally, I think that is a bit of a contradiction, considering they don't feel anything, or remember anything of their previous lives. If you are looking to see if you need to take swimming zombies into account when you make your plan, I would say yes, but it isn't the biggest priority. Most will be travelling by land. Do you find this valuable? |
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IanKaplan |
4. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 8:16 PM EST
"No! Uncle z lacks the dexterity and co ordination to swim. But, since they dont need to breath, they could just walk across the bottom of the ocean. or float about."Why don't they need to breath? oxygen is needed for cellular respiration. Nearly all living things need oxygen. I know kinelta will lecture me about lactic and alcoholic fermentation now. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
5. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 8:24 PM EST
"Why don't they need to breath? oxygen is needed for cellular respiration. Nearly all living things need oxygen. I know kinelta will lecture me about lactic and alcoholic fermentation now."They might well be non-living things. Traditional zombies are "dead" or undead. Lack of respiration is firmly cemented in many archetypes. Do you find this valuable? |
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IanKaplan |
6. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 8:50 PM EST
"They might well be non-living things. Traditional zombies are "dead" or undead. Lack of respiration is firmly cemented in many archetypes."I don't believe in the dead rising. My zombie belief is a pathogen that causes cannibalism. The dead rising is biologically impossible 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
7. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 9:09 PM EST
"I don't believe in the dead rising. My zombie belief is a pathogen that causes cannibalism. The dead rising is biologically impossible"Impossible...so far. Every now and then we discover that something we thought we knew was wrong. Recently scientists proved that strange quarks have anti-strange partners. Very short lived, and possibly only found at the centre of stars. But before that, they said finding the anti-strange was impossible. It theoretically could exist, but no-one would ever know. Impossible is always relative to the mechanisms, time and methods available. Do you find this valuable? |
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WiseChoice |
8. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 9:12 PM EST
"Badger, you are stating absolutes about zombies. Usual rules apply: show us a specimen (this time in a swimming pool) so we can test your assertion.What about walkin along the botton? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
9. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 9:33 PM EST
"What about walkin along the botton?"Not swimming. That's wading, or simply walking underwater. There was another thread on this relating to crush depth, currents etc. Given current human deep dive limits, it is plausible that if a zombie sinks to the bottom of the Continental Shelf, it will not be crushed. It should then be able to get purchase on the sand and rocks, and walk or crawl with intent. However, the currents would hinder any real directional choice, scattering them like leaves on the breeze. Most would end up in ravines and on the ocean floor, where they would be crushed. Some might drift on the shelf until they are damaged or decayed. Maybe 0.01% would make it back out of the ocean. But if 7 billion become zombies, and 1% go in the ocean, that still leaves 7,000 that will come back out to start the cycle all over again. Do you find this valuable? |
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CallsignPyro |
10. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 9:45 PM EST
since dead bodies float i think the undead zeds would too, but i highly doubt they could swim though. the "living" zombies(ragers, sprinters whatever you want to call them) should be able to swim somewhat. its a basic motor function & if my theory correct, a "living" zed should retain some part of their human selfs, like say micheal phleps became a "living" zed, he should be able to swim since its second nature to swim fast for him
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PedroAsani |
11. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 9:56 PM EST
"since dead bodies float i think the undead zeds would too, but i highly doubt they could swim though. the "living" zombies(ragers, sprinters whatever you want to call them) should be able to swim somewhat. its a basic motor function & if my theory correct, a "living" zed should retain some part of their human selfs, like say micheal phleps became a "living" zed, he should be able to swim since its second nature to swim fast for him"This was discussed in another thread as well, and it isn't quite true that dead bodies float. If you were to kill a human and throw them in a lake, they would begin to sink, faster if face up, since it helps the air in the lungs escape. After a short time, the decomposition would create gasses which bring them back to the surface. These gasses expand as they rise, increasing the chance of rupture and escape. They are slowly escaping no matter what, and as soon as enough has leaked out, the body loses buoyancy and sinks back down, this time on a more permanent basis. DN stated in the other thread that flesh was buoyant, which it is. However, it is outweighed by the dense bone, and so a whole body, human or zombie, would generally sink. It really depends on what state of decomposition (if any) the zombies get into. Do you find this valuable? |
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IanKaplan |
12. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 10:00 PM EST
"Impossible...so far. Every now and then we discover that something we thought we knew was wrong. Recently scientists proved that strange quarks have anti-strange partners. Very short lived, and possibly only found at the centre of stars. But before that, they said finding the anti-strange was impossible. It theoretically could exist, but no-one would ever know.but we see simple truths, such as gravity, and that time moves forward. We also see that the dead don't rise once the brain has been deprived of oxygen. Do you find this valuable? |
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CallsignPyro |
13. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 10:04 PM EST
"but we see simple truths, such as gravity, and that time moves forward. We also see that the dead don't rise once the brain has been deprived of oxygen."well maybe zeds will be the exception that proves the rule Do you find this valuable? |
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IanKaplan |
14. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 10:32 PM EST
"well maybe zeds will be the exception that proves the rule"Thats not what that saying means. The "exception that proves the rule" is the exception that doesn't apply to the rule and therefore proves that what does apply to the rule follows the rule and therefore the rule exists. example: Exception: If it is 6:00 the diner will stop serving breakfast Rule that is proved: The diner serves breakfast before 6:00. Here are some examples from wikipedia. "Special leave is given for men to be out of barracks tonight till 11.00 p.m."; "The exception proves the rule" means that this special leave implies a rule requiring men, except when an exception is made, to be in earlier. The value of this in interpreting statutes is plain. Similarly, a sign that says "parking prohibited on Sundays" (the exception) "proves" that parking is allowed on the other six days of the week (the rule). Do you find this valuable? |
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CallsignPyro |
15. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 10:36 PM EST
"Thats not what that saying means. The "exception that proves the rule" is the exception that doesn't apply to the rule and therefore proves that what does apply to the rule follows the rule and therefore the rule exists.ohhh ok thanks for clearing that up Do you find this valuable? |
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IanKaplan |
16. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 10:51 PM EST
"ohhh ok thanks for clearing that up"yea, because the other way doesn't make any sense. That would mean that because there is something that blatantly proves something wrong, it is right. Do you find this valuable? |
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WiseChoice |
17. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 11:00 PM EST
"Not swimming. That's wading, or simply walking underwater.That would suck. 7,000. Small number but still worth noticing. Cool input man. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Reggy1 |
18. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 11:07 PM EST
After while infecting the brain Solumbum mutates the cells in a way that makes them independent of oxygen. In fact a zombie created in this way no longer has a functioning circulatory system to transfer oxygen throughout the body. So a zombie can function underwater. As for swimming remember that humans need to learn to swim and zombies do not retain the memory of the people that they were in life. so even if they were physical capable of swimming they do not know how and are not able to learn (assuming that someone was deranged enough to try to teach them) Also because the build up of gases in a corpse is caused by bactira and because most bacteria reject a Solumbum infected corpse the gases do not build up enough to make it buoyant. so zombie do not float (excepting circumstances such as an infected person dies wearing a life vest and later reanimates as a zombie) in most cases a zombie will simply wander on the sub-aquatic surface before being washed to the shore or wandering back out (assuming the zombie lasts long enough to do so). This is why if your hope is to reclaim an area from a zombie infestation it is so essential that you and/ or at least one of your group has experience with SCUBA or Aqualung equipment. without it reclaiming an area with any body of water will be extremely difficult and anything larger then a small pond or shallow marsh will be near impossible. This may or may not be true for all zombies. but if the cause of the infestation is Solumbum. (As a vast majority of recorded cases are suspected or known to be) then they will hold true. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Reggy1 |
19. RE: Can Zombies Swim?
Mar 11 2010, 11:23 PM EST
"1. Badger, you are stating absolutes about zombies. Usual rules apply: show us a specimen (this time in a swimming pool) so we can test your assertion.On a side note: 1. as far as im concerned if you have captured a zombie your first priority MUST be to destroy it. and not to risk peoples lives keeping it "alive". 2. The way zombies appear in movies or films does not correlate to the way they will behave in reality. 3. you just broke your own rule.and demonstrated why it is impossible to follow said rule and still provide an answer to even the simplest question. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |