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fudge_dragon	water and salt Mar 17 2010, 2:02 PM EDT salt is very important for living, as it helps your nerves to work, with out enough salt you will die and with too much you will die, but the not enough is obviously going to be the main problem. i have decided to post a method of obtaining salt and water at the same time. first a salt water source must be found!, this is less dificult if you live on the coast or on an island. but if you live in the middle of a landlocked country (or in the centre of a really big one)..... it can be difficult to find salt water. then you get a small amount of this water and boil it in what ever container you have. you keep boiling the water untill there is none left and only salt remains!, now you ask wheres my water gone? well if you put a lid on the container (not actually sitting on it but just above it) at a slant, the steam will hit the lid, condense and run down the lid at the angle you slanted it at, then you can collect this pure, condensed steaam (water) in another container! two benefits yay (now all you need is a good fire ^^) sorry if this was already posted, Post reply 18 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
PedroAsani	1. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 2:14 PM EDT It has been mentioned before, but the need for salt is usually secondary to getting the water. Rather than boiling the water, try and use evaporation from the sun. It takes longer, but means you won't need to use fuel for the heating. Generally people do that when they have access to fresh water, and need/want the salt for cooking. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fudge_dragon	2. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 3:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 17 2010, 3:04 PM EDT "It has been mentioned before, but the need for salt is usually secondary to getting the water. Rather than boiling the water, try and use evaporation from the sun. It takes longer, but means you won't need to use fuel for the heating. Generally people do that when they have access to fresh water, and need/want the salt for cooking." yes i did think about this aswell, but my main point was you could use it as a way to get clean water aswell.... it also filters the water as any debris/silt gets left behind. obviously the only bad thing is the time factor for the sun method, and if it rains... also do you know of any other uk members on this site? (i know there are a fair few but i dont know who) as alot of the stuff on here is related to american civilisation eg ownership of guns and all the rendevous points are in candada/america so no uk stuff Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	3. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 3:06 PM EDT There are a few UK members. Dreadling is one. Really it's easiest to just keep checking in and see who crops up. As for the RVE points, I would make one but I am in the middle of moving across the country (again) so I can't set one up just yet. But if you can make one, go ahead and post it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fudge_dragon	4. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 3:12 PM EDT do you mean make the section on the website or actually make one? i am mainly suggesting that a website section gets made. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	5. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 3:44 PM EDT "do you mean make the section on the website or actually make one? i am mainly suggesting that a website section gets made." Both. We have a "Great Britain and Channel Islands" section. Add a new page to it about your RVE. Assuming you have one, of course. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fudge_dragon	6. RE: water and salt Mar 17 2010, 4:11 PM EDT where can i find this section? earlier i only saw america and canada :S Post reply Do you find this valuable?
PedroAsani	7. RE: water and salt Mar 18 2010, 5:38 AM EDT http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Great+Britain+and+Channel+Islands Post reply Do you find this valuable?
NomadWolfPack	8. RE: water and salt Mar 20 2012, 5:04 AM EDT Salt is also good for treating wounds and gargling solution for oral health, as it is somewhat antibacterial. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
nightcreeper78	9. RE: water and salt Mar 20 2012, 9:50 PM EDT I kind of have an advantage in this area. I've been working for a salt company in St. Louis for the last couple of years. I have access to millions if not billions of tons of salt. I know were it comes from and how to get it. There are also secret stashes of other useful items in one of the locations where the salt originates from. Many big box and hardware stores will probably have salt long after all the other stuff has been looted. Salt has many other useful purposes. Meats and fish can be dried and preserved and water can be cleaned with it. Here is one of my favorites; add a handful to a cooler of ice with your favorite beverage(I like to do it with beer) and then race your friends to drink the last beer before it freezes. I'm usually chewing the last one, it's that fast. I mention this because if it will freeze drinks it will freeze food, for a little while anyway, preserving it in absence of refrigeration. Also, in the absence of a source of salt, some primitive cultures used blood as a salt like seasoning in their food. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TheLoadedGun	10. RE: water and salt Mar 20 2012, 10:49 PM EDT Salt is used to season, clean wounds, melt ice/snow(more useful than you may think), and preserve food. Salt makes food more appetizing, and there are some things that, without salt, we may never eat. Salt kills bacteria, so it can be used to clean wounds, clean your mouth, and, my favorite, to help relieve a strep or sore throat. I also love that it can be used to melt ice, helping you get water, clearing a path for vehicles, or even making your favorite frozen treats. It will probably be more valuable, though, to preserve your food. It is quite simple to do so. I do not have the procedure memorized at the time, but it is readily available online and in books. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zee-Man	11. RE: water and salt Mar 21 2012, 12:15 AM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 21 2012, 12:16 AM EDT Salt Table Salt Iodized Table Salt Sea Salt Road Salt Pretty much all the same, NaCl-, Right? Yes and no. It is all sodium chloride. Sea water has other metals and minerals dissolved in it (including poisons like Mercury Oxide). Unless you are cooking seaweed with your water you are not getting Iodine in the same quantities you are now. Table salt and road salt differ in that the former is a refined version of the latter. Table salt also usually has some Iodine compound in it. Certainly if you live near the sea, you can make salt that way. But if you don't, look to the salt silos on most major highways. (yeah they are there in the deep south too, just fewer of them). Refining salt is a matter of dissolving the raw into water and then precipitating it just like the OP describes. You will not get the same as you enjoy on the table now, it will be more like sea salt with other soluble minerals / compounds. Iodine - now there is a nutrient you are going to have a hard time finding if you do not live near the sea. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Redrighthand	12. RE: water and salt Mar 21 2012, 1:42 AM EDT " Iodine - now there is a nutrient you are going to have a hard time finding if you do not live near the sea. " Fantastic post. Other sources exist for iodine, though. Baked potatoes in their jackets (ie, with the peel) are good, as are eggs and dairy products. Interestingly, in the old 1970's series "Survivors" (the first two seasons are excellent for post apoc. tv, btw) the group makes regular trips to the nearby coast to gather salt, mainly for trade. It's a great preservative, too - salted meats will keep almost indefinitely. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
=jesse=	13. RE: water and salt Mar 21 2012, 12:52 PM EDT I found this in case anyone is wondering how to preserve meat with salt. Meat preservation was a concern of mine since 2 of my bug out locations are outdoors and I can't eat an entire elk in one sitting. 1. Select the meat you want to preserve. 2. Wash the meat with lukewarm water to avoid cooking it and trim off any undesirable parts. 3. Pat the meat dry with a clean towel. 4. Apply your favorite unsalted herbs and spices to the meat for a rich flavor. 5. Rub the coarse salt into the meat thoroughly and cover it entirely with a layer of salt. This eliminates bacteria present and prevents its further production. 6. Hang the meat in a room that is about 59 degrees Fahrenheit and let it air-dry for roughly 3 weeks. Check the meat about every two days to make sure it doesn't smell bad. 7. Use running water to wash excess salt from the meat and pat it dry with a clean towel. Then cook and enjoy Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zee-Man	14. RE: water and salt Mar 21 2012, 3:29 PM EDT "Baked potatoes in their jackets (ie, with the peel) are good, as are eggs and dairy products." Actually this is not entirely true. Land plants are not good sources for Iodine, UNLESS, the soil they are grown in is inoculated with iodine. Potatoes are quite low in iodine, though are much higher than other land plants. Certain regions of the earth's soils are deficient in iodine, particularly australia, tasmania and the paciffic northwest (N. America) across to Maine/Massachusets.. Eggs, dairy, and meats* are not sources for iodine unless their feed is fortified with the nutrient. The whole reason table salt is iodized is that iodine is lacking from almost every land based food source. For naturally occurring iodine compounds one really needs to look to the water. Seaweeds (Kelp on top, Nori on bottom), fish (particularly in the head, saltwater fish far better than fresh water fish), mollusks (mussels topping that list), crustacea (shrimp, saltwater crayfish {jury is out on fresh water crayfish}, lobster) all have high amounts of iodine. Cranberries are reputedly rich in iodine. This may be true only to cranberries grown in certain areas in the eastern parts of MA and ME.. *Exception, certain organs such as liver and kidney are very good sources for iodine. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Zee-Man	15. More on Iodine Mar 21 2012, 4:02 PM EDT \| Post edited: Mar 21 2012, 4:09 PM EDT Goitrogens: a class of toxins in food which suppress the function of the thyroid gland by interfering with iodine uptake. Long term exposure can cause an enlargement of the thyroid (goiter). Foods containing these substances include soybeans (and soybean products such as tofu), pine nuts, peanuts, millet, strawberries, pears, peaches, spinach, bamboo shoots, radishes, horseradish, and vegetables in the genus Brassica (bok choy, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, canola, cauliflower, Chinese cabbage, collard greens, kale, kohlrabi, mustard greens, rutabagas, and turnips. Source Incidentally, potatoes in their jackets increases the risk of solanine and chocine poisoning. Both compounds can induce lethargy, diarrhea, and vomiting. The compounds are chiefly found in the leafy part of the plant that is not eaten, but are also found under the eyes and in the skin if the potato skin has begun to produce chlorophyll. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Oakspar77777	16. RE: More on Iodine Mar 21 2012, 4:52 PM EDT A salt round (1lb, 10oz) of iodized salt is less than half a dollar. Since the iodine levels needed for health assume you are using that salt for table purposes, $20 will get your family a 40 year supply of iodine. If you are stocking up on salt for perserving - you usually want the non-iodonized stuff. Also, you want a course salt. The table grind is so fine that you will have A LOT of salt left in your meat if you use it. Avoiding having to boil the salt off helps keep nutrients in. Salt ranks with dental floss as things you can stockpile a lifetimes supply of in a week's grocery bill. No reason not to. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TreeLegs	17. RE: More on Iodine Mar 21 2012, 10:56 PM EDT "A salt round (1lb, 10oz) of iodized salt is less than half a dollar. Since the iodine levels needed for health assume you are using that salt for table purposes, $20 will get your family a 40 year supply of iodine. If you are stocking up on salt for perserving - you usually want the non-iodonized stuff. Also, you want a course salt. The table grind is so fine that you will have A LOT of salt left in your meat if you use it. Avoiding having to boil the salt off helps keep nutrients in. Salt ranks with dental floss as things you can stockpile a lifetimes supply of in a week's grocery bill. No reason not to. " An here I've only been stocking up on sugar, flour and coffee. Totally forgot the salt. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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