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Carnack
Carnack
501. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 3:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 3:28 PM EDT
"Actually if you really want to get technical I am going to have you on alot of things. Hills and woods do not bother me, we have those out here to. They are also a bit bigger then what you have. You have me caves I do not **** with them I will give you that. As for winter in Mo they are fairly mild, and I love winter. Lastly my physical conditioning is going to work against you, the highest point in MO is Taum Sauk Mountain and at a mere 1772 feet that is nothing. I would run/walk you into the ground. You need to practice stress shooting it is a vital skill, its not like your going to be at a range."
Bothering you is irrelevent. It DOES however give me ample places to attack from.

"I would run/walk you into the ground."

Dead right. I would run and you would run after me and fall into the ground and blow out your kneecaps :D

Like I said the forest is dense. Very few places to get a clean shot for more than 8 yards.



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Carnack
Carnack
502. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 3:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 3:36 PM EDT
"I'm not really certain I understand the 'known terrain' defence. Are raiders (or whoever we're up to at this point, I've lost track) going to stop dead and say "oh noes, there's some hills and trees - we better turn back"?

Or do you think that knowledge of the terrain will turn you into a one man army - hollywood style?

I don't dispute that it's an advantage, but I think you're overestimating how much of an advantage."
No they won't but from the standpoint of a defender knowing the terrain is a huge bonus when you know it and they don't.

If you know how to capitalize on it then the terrain can become your worst enemy.

Plus let's not forget that most vehicles can't punch through trees so any raider that uses vehicles would either need to seperate or just avoid it.

In the case of a mobile group the woods allow them to evac and practicly disappear.
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Hell_raiser101
503. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 4:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 4:38 PM EDT

Carnack, your idea sounds good.

The only thing is that from what I read (Please tell me if I understood wrong.), it seems to me that you are going to be constantly on the move, save for night which is sleepy-time,

If that IS correct, I find it highly impractical to set up all these traps and caches just to dig them up and leave in the morning.

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timberrattler
timberrattler
504. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 5:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 5:16 PM EDT
"No they won't but from the standpoint of a defender knowing the terrain is a huge bonus when you know it and they don't.

If you know how to capitalize on it then the terrain can become your worst enemy.

Plus let's not forget that most vehicles can't punch through trees so any raider that uses vehicles would either need to seperate or just avoid it.

In the case of a mobile group the woods allow them to evac and practicly disappear."
+1

Completely and totally agree.

If you know your forest, or your hills, or your mountains, or your swamp you are "big daddy" and all others who are completely ignorant of their surroundings are your "b&tches!"

Knowing your terrain when your enemy doesn't is a huge plus.
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Carnack
Carnack
505. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 6:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 6:38 PM EDT
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Carnack, your idea sounds good.

The only thing is that from what I read (Please tell me if I understood wrong.), it seems to me that you are going to be constantly on the move, save for night which is sleepy-time,

If that IS correct, I find it highly impractical to set up all these traps and caches just to dig them up and leave in the morning.

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The traps are permanent.

The idea is to set up a massive area for me to retreat to and not being locked to one spot.

I'm not traveling but merely locking down several miles that I can go to and survive.
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Carnack
Carnack
506. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 6:40 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 6:40 PM EDT
"+1

Completely and totally agree.

If you know your forest, or your hills, or your mountains, or your swamp you are "big daddy" and all others who are completely ignorant of their surroundings are your "b&tches!"

Knowing your terrain when your enemy doesn't is a huge plus. "
Yep and in order to learn the terrain they must travel it.

Chances of that happening with no warnings are nill.
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
507. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 7:48 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 7:48 PM EDT
"Bothering you is irrelevent. It DOES however give me ample places to attack from.

"I would run/walk you into the ground."

Dead right. I would run and you would run after me and fall into the ground and blow out your kneecaps :D

Like I said the forest is dense. Very few places to get a clean shot for more than 8 yards.



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Or to be attacked from, however slow and steady wins the race. I am not going to go chase after you Carnack, that was a lesson that was taught to me by a very wise NCO. I am going to hunt you like a deer, just one that can't move as fast and does not have the hearing or sense or smell. The only place that I manage to bust my ass is when I am pheasant hunting at a certain location and manage to pivot on ice and then land on my ass. It was however a beautiful shot. Sounds like the place for an M1 Carbine or an 870 with some 00 buck.
So mind if I ask what kind of pattern you will wear in your neck of the woods? I found a great company that makes some damn good clothing.
http://www.shadowcamo.com/
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Carnack
Carnack
508. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 5 2010, 11:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 5 2010, 11:57 PM EDT
"Or to be attacked from, however slow and steady wins the race. I am not going to go chase after you Carnack, that was a lesson that was taught to me by a very wise NCO. I am going to hunt you like a deer, just one that can't move as fast and does not have the hearing or sense or smell. The only place that I manage to bust my ass is when I am pheasant hunting at a certain location and manage to pivot on ice and then land on my ass. It was however a beautiful shot. Sounds like the place for an M1 Carbine or an 870 with some 00 buck.
So mind if I ask what kind of pattern you will wear in your neck of the woods? I found a great company that makes some damn good clothing.
http://www.shadowcamo.com/"
Yes but how long will you wait in one place? I can handle giving you a mile to play in.

Well I've been well off with knock-off camo in that ancient blotchy pattern but I'm looking into the digitized stuff.

I had a ghillie suit at one point but that didn't last 3 miles.

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joel1847
509. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 1:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 1:02 AM EDT
"Plan to spend about as much dough on a crossbow as a gun."
You know, after getting a crossbow (150lb Barnett), I'm not as impressed as I thought I was going to be. Regular bow has a longer range and faster rate of fire which trumps the greater short range power of the crossbow. IMHO.
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Carnack
Carnack
510. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 1:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 1:07 AM EDT
"You know, after getting a crossbow (150lb Barnett), I'm not as impressed as I thought I was going to be. Regular bow has a longer range and faster rate of fire which trumps the greater short range power of the crossbow. IMHO. "
True but you can carry it pre-loaded (somewhat safely) and learn to aim it more easily than a regular bow.

That's what I've heard. I hated the feel of a crossbow.
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LWJ2009
LWJ2009
511. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 1:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 1:11 AM EDT
"Yes but how long will you wait in one place? I can handle giving you a mile to play in.

Well I've been well off with knock-off camo in that ancient blotchy pattern but I'm looking into the digitized stuff.

I had a ghillie suit at one point but that didn't last 3 miles.

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It just depends, if I am going to rest I will stay in one place for a bit. I am not a Marine and I do believe in my comfort.

Ah another digital fan, I would try to avoid that honestly. Let the military look like the military. I would prefer to just be LWJ the Redneck with my civ patterns. They however do work far better then anything else. The only two military patterns that look like they are worth a damn in this area would be the Marpat and Multicam.
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Carnack
Carnack
512. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 1:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 1:33 AM EDT
"It just depends, if I am going to rest I will stay in one place for a bit. I am not a Marine and I do believe in my comfort.

Ah another digital fan, I would try to avoid that honestly. Let the military look like the military. I would prefer to just be LWJ the Redneck with my civ patterns. They however do work far better then anything else. The only two military patterns that look like they are worth a damn in this area would be the Marpat and Multicam."
Well I live within 100 yards of the woods so I don't really need to go out among people.

If I do civilian patterns would be my dress of choice. But in the woods blending in is more of a necessity than looking like Joe Average.
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AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
513. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 2:01 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 2:01 AM EDT
THIS is how I would raid you...

http://mentaldefective.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/sayanything.jpg

Come out Carnack....I just wanna be your friend.
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Cypher9012
Cypher9012
514. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:04 AM EDT
/sigh...guys...you can argue all you want but without going out there with Carnack to his woods, or Carnack goign human-hunting with you in his woods you're not going to ever agree on this one.

Can we basically agree that: "There'd be no point in hunting Carnack as he's just one person who IF you see him you label him as a 'reclusive, survivalist nutjob' who measures less than zero on the threat meter." Regardless of whether or not Carnack has scavenged every crumb of food in a 50m radius and has it buried out there...you don't know, so why would you assume?

And if you're both confident of your weapons choices in a woodland environment...why try too change the other persons mind? If they know they can drop a deer or defend themselves with a X-bow then great, and if you prefer a rifle then that's great too. But honestly...i can't see a band of fifty Raiders bothering with one lone individual in a massive forested territory that he knows well...
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Carnack
Carnack
515. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:06 AM EDT
It's more the idea that they with Weapon X can challenge someone on Known Terrain Y even if that person is armed with Inferior Weapon Z. Do you find this valuable?    
Cypher9012
Cypher9012
516. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:07 AM EDT
""There'd be no point in hunting Carnack as he's just one person who IF you see him you label him as a 'reclusive, survivalist nutjob' who measures less than zero on the threat meter." Regardless of whether or not Carnack has scavenged every crumb of food in a 50m radius and has it buried out there...you don't know, so why would you assume?"
There's nothing wrong with being labeled a 'Reclusive, Survivalist Nutjob'. I think if I died right now it'd say that on my toe-tag and tbh i wouldn't care...if and when TSHTF us 'Reclusive, Survivalist Nutjobs' have a damn good head start and a pretty good advantage...so take it as a compliment from one to the other Carnack XD
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Carnack
Carnack
517. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:09 AM EDT
"There's nothing wrong with being labeled a 'Reclusive, Survivalist Nutjob'. I think if I died right now it'd say that on my toe-tag and tbh i wouldn't care...if and when TSHTF us 'Reclusive, Survivalist Nutjobs' have a damn good head start and a pretty good advantage...so take it as a compliment from one to the other Carnack XD"
I've been called worse things often enough to spot a compliment backhanded thought it is. XD
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Cypher9012
Cypher9012
518. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:09 AM EDT
"It's more the idea that they with Weapon X can challenge someone on Known Terrain Y even if that person is armed with Inferior Weapon Z."
ah...X > (Y+Z)

Just remember though that S+H+B > Everything

(S = Secrecy + H=Hiding + B = Sneaky B*stard)
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Carnack
Carnack
519. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:14 AM EDT
"ah...X > (Y+Z)

Just remember though that S+H+B > Everything

(S = Secrecy + H=Hiding + B = Sneaky B*stard)"
Pretty much.
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StrykerPez
StrykerPez
520. RE: This is how I will raid you:
Apr 6 2010, 3:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:14 AM EDT
Yes.. I'm going to agree with Cypher on this one.

We're not talking personal-vendetta-manhunt here... we're talking traveling raiders.

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