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Carnack	521. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:17 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:17 AM EDT "Yes.. I'm going to agree with Cypher on this one. We're not talking personal-vendetta-manhunt here... we're talking traveling raiders. Back on topic? " Yepz. Although raid tactics and counter-raid tactics are open ended by definition. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
StrykerPez	522. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:35 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:35 AM EDT All right. About the OP. Say I abandon my BOL and take to the roads, as is part of my plan. If surviving at my current BOL isn't happening, then we will load up and head out. How would you raid my convoy? We travel from before sun-up to just before sun-down, when we stop and pick a spot to camp for the night. Some nights we do not stop. Some times we make short 10-15 min stops for bathroom breaks, mechanical issues, etc. The first vehicle is an M35A2 6x6 truck weighing nearly 30,000 lbs, and sporting a massive 150 lb winch and solid steel push cage. It is traveling (when at speed) at 50 mph. It carries weapons, gear, supplies, some food, some fuel. Following is a Dodge Ram 3500 diesel four door short bed with general security modifications (window cage, push bar). It carries communications, weapons, ammo, gear. Following is a Mack Trash Truck, also with push bar. It holds our food supplies in the cleaned out rear. Following is a Peterbilt Semi Truck with low-boy trailer. On the trailer are two 1000 gallon tanks, one of drinking water and one of diesel fuel. Also on the trailer is a Honda Quad. Following is a Ford F250 truck with push bar and maintenance bed (the tool box one). It is set up with a large rear-facing 1/2" steel plate, with a gun port cut in it sporting an .308 semi-automatic rifle. When stopped at night, we park in a circle, and depending on our location, we may light a fire in the middle of the circle. Sleeping is done in tents inside the circle, with a constant watch. You saw me, and want my stuff... what do you do? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	523. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:38 AM EDT Hit your fuel supply first then slowly cripple each vehicle in your convoy. After that you're monkeys in a barrel and I am the guy with a rocket launcher. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
StrykerPez	524. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:45 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:45 AM EDT If you're lying in wait, you have to be sure that the first 3 vehicles don't spot you... and then what would you do to a truck going 50 mph to disable it? IED... maybe. And if you're coming up from the rear at speed... say hello to that .308. Ok, so you do manage to disable the fuel truck... now we're like a beehive you just poked with a stick. Now, you've got 20 pissed off and heavily armed people ready to wipe off the face of the planet the reason they stopped. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	525. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:47 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:47 AM EDT "If you're lying in wait, you have to be sure that the first 3 vehicles don't spot you... and then what would you do to a truck going 50 mph to disable it? IED... maybe. And if you're coming up from the rear at speed... say hello to that .308. Ok, so you do manage to disable the fuel truck... now we're like a beehive you just poked with a stick. Now, you've got 20 pissed off and heavily armed people ready to wipe off the face of the planet the reason they stopped. " We after the fuel source is hit retreat. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
pdonettes	526. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:48 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:48 AM EDT I think people should really try and stick with ordinance they either have, or have reasonable access to. If not, you may as well talk about using your laser rifle to gun down the zombie hordes and take out the raiders, and the great thing is, it's solar powered, so it doesn't use ammo! Please, at least try and keep it relevant, for the sake of my sanity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
StrykerPez	527. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:50 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:50 AM EDT Everything I mentioned I have or have reasonable access to... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	528. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 3:50 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 3:50 AM EDT "I think people should really try and stick with ordinance they either have, or have reasonable access to. If not, you may as well talk about using your laser rifle to gun down the zombie hordes and take out the raiders, and the great thing is, it's solar powered, so it doesn't use ammo! Please, at least try and keep it relevant, for the sake of my sanity." And who's to say he doesn't have access to one? Do you know him? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	529. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 4:02 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 4:02 AM EDT "I think people should really try and stick with ordinance they either have, or have reasonable access to. If not, you may as well talk about using your laser rifle to gun down the zombie hordes and take out the raiders, and the great thing is, it's solar powered, so it doesn't use ammo! Please, at least try and keep it relevant, for the sake of my sanity." lol...we've had this argument before about heavy weapons and heavy ordanance, so I'm not touching that bit with a six foot pole...I will mention that rocket-launchers and grenade-launchers do occasionally turn up in police and ATF seizures in the states, but are not by any means common....so back to topic. If I'm the Raider and me and mine are jacking whatever comes along our road...then the location would be most important. I want a stretch of road that looks nice, clear, open and inviting, but is in fact a death-trap. What I mean by this is: The road is bordered on both sides by either natural or man-made barriers which make going off-road impossible (Think: retaining walls or rocky slopes on either side, or a box culvert laid down for drainage years ago.). Next...I'd CONSIDER pulling a 'Dolan's Cadillac' move on you. By this I'm referring to a Stephen King Movie/Book whereby the anti-hero digs a pit in the road and covers it with a few plywood sticks and a grey tarp covered in road dust. The cadillac in question ploughs into the ground and Christian Slater buries the guy alive in his car...now imagine your first truck hits my ditch at 50mph...can your other vehicles stop in time? Next...as I've chosen the terrain I'd hope that I would be wise enough to have a 'High Ground Advantage' and would be quick enough and clever enough to, in all the confusion and panic, take out your gunmen who are in the open with my rifle-wielding teams, before anyone with a gun begins spraying your windows at an angle. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AlexHigginbotham	530. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 4:03 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 4:03 AM EDT "And who's to say he doesn't have access to one? Do you know him?" I do, and I can vouche..... He has a laser rifle. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Cypher9012	531. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 6 2010, 4:09 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 6 2010, 4:09 AM EDT To reiterate though: I choose the terrain as I'm ambushing so...'Home-Field Advantage'. We've had plenty of time to prepare in advance so we get...'Surprise Attack Advantage'. Our plan relys on stopping you...which we have planned extensively how to do...'Preparedness Advantage'. And we should be firing from positions above you, down through the windows into the interior of any vehicle...'High Ground Advantage'. We are however trying to take what you have so we wouldn't be lobbing grenades or rockets into your position, and we'd only dig a road-pit if we had a method of removing ANY vehicle from the pit afterwards. And to stop you simply reversing out of this position all we have to do is lay down some spike-strips AFTER you've passed and you can't back-up without wrecking your tyres. (I would consider spike strips before you pass...but then i have to push the damn trucks along the road to a service road, take them off the road and out of sight, etc...etc...but it might be an option?) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	532. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 8 2010, 1:10 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2010, 1:14 AM EDT lol..for all those who thought it would be impossible to get "Heavy Ordanance" post-Z-day...check this out: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct456.aspx Now I know it's only a semi-auto..but if that was aimed at you from a settlement wall or from the back of a Raider Truck...would you know it was semi-auto? Intimidation Factor... EDIT: also just found: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct551.aspx Post reply Do you find this valuable?
pdonettes	533. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 8 2010, 9:04 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 8 2010, 9:04 AM EDT I was actually referring to the "I'm the guy with the rocket launcher" comment by Carnack. And, you guys may have access to some of these, but merely for discussion consider this: Lugging around an M4 and 500 rounds is one thing. Lugging around an RPG and 5 rounds is probably more difficult. just things to think about when your bugging out. me personally, I would rather take my chances with the m4. get my point? That being said, Ihope to be able to get my hands on a Bradley if SHTF. I know where some are, I was in the military (have the uniform for infiltration) and I know how to drive/operate one. just need bolt cutters. So I do understand that some people have access to some crazy things. I just think in general it's easy to resort to things we logistically have no real access to. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VagabondVance	534. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 8 2010, 11:47 AM EDT "All right. About the OP. Say I abandon my BOL and take to the roads, as is part of my plan. If surviving at my current BOL isn't happening, then we will load up and head out. How would you raid my convoy? The first vehicle is an M35A2 6x6 truck weighing nearly 30,000 lbs, and sporting a massive 150 lb winch and solid steel push cage. It is traveling (when at speed) at 50 mph. It carries weapons, gear, supplies, some food, some fuel. Following is a Dodge Ram 3500 diesel four door short bed with general security modifications (window cage, push bar). It carries communications, weapons, ammo, gear. Following is a Mack Trash Truck, also with push bar. It holds our food supplies in the cleaned out rear. Following is a Peterbilt Semi Truck with low-boy trailer. On the trailer are two 1000 gallon tanks, one of drinking water and one of diesel fuel. Also on the trailer is a Honda Quad. Following is a Ford F250 truck with push bar and maintenance bed (the tool box one). It is set up with a large rear-facing 1/2" steel plate, with a gun port cut in it sporting an .308 semi-automatic rifle. When stopped at night, we park in a circle, and depending on our location, we may light a fire in the middle of the circle. Sleeping is done in tents inside the circle, with a constant watch. You saw me, and want my stuff... what do you do? " How close is your convoy following? If I make a decent sized pot hole, cover it up with some cardboard and litter the area with trash, that will stop your first vehicle, and possibly your second if he's too close. Further down there road would be a few more surprises, say a nice sized tree, one of your boys goes out to attach a winch he gets his legs taken out by a hidden marksmen. Do you leave him and try to head back or risk more men trying to save him? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	535. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 9 2010, 1:35 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 9 2010, 1:35 AM EDT "I was actually referring to the "I'm the guy with the rocket launcher" comment by Carnack. And, you guys may have access to some of these, but merely for discussion consider this: Lugging around an M4 and 500 rounds is one thing. Lugging around an RPG and 5 rounds is probably more difficult. just things to think about when your bugging out. me personally, I would rather take my chances with the m4. get my point? That being said, Ihope to be able to get my hands on a Bradley if SHTF. I know where some are, I was in the military (have the uniform for infiltration) and I know how to drive/operate one. just need bolt cutters. So I do understand that some people have access to some crazy things. I just think in general it's easy to resort to things we logistically have no real access to." The type of rocket-launcher that keeps turning up in ATF raids in the US as far as I can see is the 'One-Shot Disposable' type (66mm LAW?). We're not talking about current AT-4 models or Javelins or anything high-tech...so if you came across one of those in your travels, it'd be pretty easy to add it to the top/bottom/side of your pack for barter or future use. Now I'm not saying they're everywhere and you WILL find them, but just from a quick 'Google Search' they're turning up in Chicago, New Jersey, etc...so there's one or two spread around...and you can't say if you came across one you'd leave it...it's just too valuable at a 'Trading Post'...and while you may be arming the guys that kill you in the future...it'd be nice to have that sort of 'Currency' wouldn't it if you ever did have the 1-in-a-million chance of finding it? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Cypher9012	536. RE: This is how I will raid you: Apr 9 2010, 1:39 AM EDT \| Post edited: Apr 9 2010, 1:39 AM EDT "Now I'm not saying they're everywhere and you WILL find them, but just from a quick 'Google Search' they're turning up in Chicago, New Jersey, etc...so there's one or two spread around...and you can't say if you came across one you'd leave it...it's just too valuable at a 'Trading Post'...and while you may be arming the guys that kill you in the future...it'd be nice to have that sort of 'Currency' wouldn't it if you ever did have the 1-in-a-million chance of finding it?" 1-in-a-Million True Story: About 5 years ago my Grandad comes outside the house and finds his tyre is flat on his old Toyota. He opens the trunk and finds that the spare tyre was used a while back and he forgot to replace it. He swears and stands there looking at the tyre and all of a sudden something comes bouncing off the main road, down his drive and smashes into his garage door 6ft from the car. After the initial shock of the loud crash he looks down and it turns out to be a tyre. It's the EXACT brand as he has on his car and the EXACT size for his Toyota and even the rims are the EXACT type...he goes upto the road and there's no accident, no car in sight, so he attaches the tyre and drives to the local garage where he replaces the spare and the busted tyre, he puts the FOUND tyre in his garage when he gets home and to this day, he has no idea where it came from or how it got there. But we had a good laugh about it...so 1-in-a-million chances DO happen sometimes XD Post reply Do you find this valuable?
trophykiller	537. RE: This is how I will raid you: Aug 26 2010, 12:58 PM EDT with plan 2 you never took this into consideration: what if your spy A). befriends B). falls in love with or C). is scared of someone in the compound and it leaves them unable to follow their orders. or maybe they've been killed or worse(think resident evil: extinction.) also, would you still raid if you saw bodies hanging outside that had signs on them that read "raiders"? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
timberrattler	538. RE: This is how I will raid you: Aug 26 2010, 2:01 PM EDT " also, would you still raid if you saw bodies hanging outside that had signs on them that read "raiders"?" I'd take it as a challenge and find a way inside that A) Didn't cost me a lot in the way of supplies and ammo and B) Didn't cost me any men at best and very few at worst. Then when I was finished interigating the survivors I'd find out whos idea it was to hang the men with the raiders sign around thier neck and re-decorate. The remaining survivors would pay me "protection" fees and in return I'd make sure no other raiders harrassed them. I'd use thier community for two things. A supply depot and a place of recruitment. There will certainly be young men there who would rather raid and see the countryside than scratch out a living in a post-apoc town. Most of all I'd be looking to make that town appreciate me and my men as well as fear us. No small task. DISCLAIMER: Raiding isn't and has never been part of my true survival plan. Fun to play the role though. Also my entire view of raiders has made a 360 since I joined this site mainly by studying IrishHitman's posts. Its good to have someone here who thinks like a raider and considers the possibilities. It makes for some interesting conversation. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DevilNuts	539. RE: This is how I will raid you: Aug 26 2010, 4:40 PM EDT \| Post edited: Aug 26 2010, 4:42 PM EDT "I'd take it as a challenge..." It might be fun TR, but this is not how a predator thinks. True predators, either in nature or society will ALWAYS prefer a sure thing. A true predator is never looking for a "challenge," he wants the easy kill - the sick or injured. Many times would-be muggers are deterred by the simple fact that their potential target is upright and situationally alert. I'm not in it for the challenge. That kind of thing is good for training, but when it's game time I want weak, helpless and timid settlements to prey upon. The lion doesn't look for a challenge in attacking the adult bull buffalo - he'd get his ass kicked and then he wouldn't eat. No, he'd much prefer the newborn gazelle with the twisted hoof. Bodies hanging outside would be a good way to deter me - I would definitely think twice about attacking this camp. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	540. RE: This is how I will raid you: Aug 26 2010, 5:31 PM EDT "Most of all I'd be looking to make that town appreciate me and my men as well as fear us. No small task. " If it were me...I'd make it a hobby to off you ^^ Because as it stands we have you and "some other guys that may or may not be interested". Abstract vs real world dude. You are a threat. The other guys aren't. And DN brings up a good point. The thing you are focusing on is the bodies. We know that tigers are vicious hunters and can kill a man before he knows what hit him...so what's that say about the guy with a dozen tiger pelts on his wall? Answer: The he had the stuff to kill them. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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