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LordSod |
Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 4:39 PM EDT
Theres an error on this page, where it says use canned foods within a year.many canned foods have use-by dates of many years, and a lot of canned foodstuffs can be used several dozens of years later. of course dry foods are also very good.. rergarding livestock, it is much more efficient to eat the vegetables that you would use to raise livestock. i love meat as much as anyone but unless you had plenty of crops to spare, using it to feed animals isn't a good idea. a field would be ideal, but you could also grow in an urban setting. if i had a lot of people, id get a large building such as a school/office block for example, with a large roof and make it secure.. also more room indoors. a school will have a fenced-off perimiter already, but barricaded windows +further/extended perimeters would be preferable. I'd use the roof to grow as many different crops as i could, if neccessary and if i had means to generate power, hook up the apropriate lighting to feed the plants if they were struggling. also some kind of pump to water would be needed, or a lot of labour. most fruit + veg seeds can be found in garden centres, as can soil. failing that just dig up as much soft soily earth as you can find. you could use a whole range of stuff to as fertillizer also a roof could be a permenant post for a lookout, an early warning for a perimeter breach. Do you find this valuable? |
AlexHigginbotham |
1. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 4:51 PM EDT
I was under the impression that urban farming wasn't advised due to the bad PH levels of the rain in polluted cities. If that is the case, green house farming would be the way to go, and considering the big "GO GREEN" kick most liberal cities are under at the moment, a green house wouldn't be that hard to find.Does anyone know how to preserve food using old techniques like salting and whatnot? I am completely unaware how to preserve food without vacuum sealing or refridgeration. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
theghostnthedarkness |
2. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 5:10 PM EDT
"I was under the impression that urban farming wasn't advised due to the bad PH levels of the rain in polluted cities. If that is the case, green house farming would be the way to go, and considering the big "GO GREEN" kick most liberal cities are under at the moment, a green house wouldn't be that hard to find.go to the good eats page at foodnetwork.com. alton brown has done episodes on canning and other ways of preserving food and you should be able to watch the show or at least get instructions from the website. Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
3. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 5:12 PM EDT
Yea, my mom cans vegetables from her garden, and I have a basic idea on how to vacuum seal with boiling water and what not, but I was thinking on a more pre 1800s level.
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PedroAsani |
4. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 5:48 PM EDT
LordSod, you need to consider a balanced diet as well as sqft efficiency. If you aren't going to eat meat, where will you get your protein from?
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LordSod |
5. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 6:08 PM EDT
"LordSod, you need to consider a balanced diet as well as sqft efficiency. If you aren't going to eat meat, where will you get your protein from?"i dont know the details, but im sure vegetarians can have a balanced diet. i dont know what plants you could get high protein from, but ive known vegetarians and even vegans who have spend time doing apropriate research to ensure they get a balanced diet. its always a popular argument against vegetarianism that its not a balanced diet, but apparently its not true. obviously if you have enough crops, it would be ideal to raise some animal with a short life-span before being efficiently killed for meat. also, i mentioned in another thread that theres loads of protein in insect eggs. i posted details on how to harvest ant eggs. a lot harder and not good in the long run though. i dont know a lot about growing nuts either, or how possible it would be in an urban setting, but theyre loaded with protein. Do you find this valuable? |
VagabondVance |
6. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 6:32 PM EDT
"LordSod, you need to consider a balanced diet as well as sqft efficiency. If you aren't going to eat meat, where will you get your protein from?"NUTS! I say emphatically Do you find this valuable? |
timberrattler |
7. RE: Growing food/storing food.
Apr 24 2010, 11:02 PM EDT
You don't know what you'd feed the livestock?In the U.S. there are billions and billions of bushels of grain stored all across the country especially in the midwest and river ports. The problem won't be can we find enough, it will be what are we going to do with all this grain? Insect eggs? Really? A chicken can live on what they scavenge and your food scraps. A goose can graze on grass and bugs alone. I'll take nice hot scrambled eggs over insect eggs anyday. Do you find this valuable? |
Oxy_the_Moron |
8. RE: Growing food/storing food.
May 3 2010, 3:59 PM EDT
Is it possible to preserve foods other than the wheat mentioned in the OP in honey?
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JPTank |
9. RE: Growing food/storing food.
May 3 2010, 4:04 PM EDT
"Is it possible to preserve foods other than the wheat mentioned in the OP in honey?"I think you can preserve oats, rye and barley the same way you preserve normal wheat. I can some of my food. Ive canned pineapple slices, bacon, and beanie weanies mixed with ketchup and kraft dinner. Those turned out friggen awesome. Do you find this valuable? |
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Oxy_the_Moron |
10. RE: Growing food/storing food.
May 3 2010, 6:01 PM EDT
"I think you can preserve oats, rye and barley the same way you preserve normal wheat.Hammering the aluminum yourself? Buying pre-shaped cans and shutting them with the food inside? Do you find this valuable? |
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JPTank |
11. RE: Growing food/storing food.
May 4 2010, 1:24 PM EDT
"Hammering the aluminum yourself? Buying pre-shaped cans and shutting them with the food inside?"with grain... all you pretty much need is an airtight container and to vaccum the air out. Any kind of food - air is its worst enemy. things like wheat and rye, you only really need a plastic airtight container - vaccum sealed and mix some salt into the grain. good for 5 years. you can freeze dry it too and that adds shelf life. things like hotdogs, ravioli... you need to make a sauce. a pasta sauce works fine but you can also just cut the weenies up and use baked beans and that sauce as the mixture. Ketchup also works very well for canning food if you dont have a "sauce". the purpose of the sauce in canned food is to leave less room for air to become trapped and create bacteria that can eat away at the food inside. No air, slower expiry date. canned bacon is defferent. the "sauce" is really the bacon fat and water mixed with more salt. I don't press the aluminim myself. I do get the tin cans and lids and pressure can the food myself, though. Do you find this valuable? |
