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TheSnoMan210 |
WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 26 2010, 11:08 PM EDT
Hello gents! I'd like your info and opinion on the DPMS Panther 5.56 "Sporticale" It seems like a nice, low cost rifle, but the only con is that there is no front iron sights. If you have any info or SUGGESTIONS on a DIFFERENT rifle then by all means TELL ME!!! I'd like somethin low cost like this one I found on ableammo.com here's a link: http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=115639Also, I need help with these mellee weapons, like ise give me info and opinion ans suggestions: Combat knife - http://budk.com/Knives/Pathfinder-Tactical-Knife# Kukri - http://budk.com/Knives/Cold-Steel-Kukri-Machete Baton - http://budk.com/Self-Defense/Night-Watchman-21-Impact-Baton ALL INFO AND SUGGESTIONS AND OTHER WHATEVERS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!! THANKS A MILLION AND VIVA HUMANITY! Do you find this valuable? |
UpAllNightDude |
1. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 26 2010, 11:19 PM EDT
there are a lot of relatively low cost options as far as back up irons go for the AR-15. I wouldn't recommend putting a polymer front sight though, because the rail is ON the gas block(hottest part of the gun while shooting). or you could just pick up one of these: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=42351/pid=0/sku/Sight__Front__w_Lug and change out the gas block completely. Do a little research and you'll find something affordable that you'll like. Send me a PM if you need more info, I'm not an expert but I can share what I know. Do you find this valuable? |
AlexHigginbotham |
2. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 27 2010, 12:10 AM EDT
Cheap AR is cheap.Might I made a few suggestions in the $700 or less range? http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/ak-47-and-rpk-rifles/p/romanian-ak-47-wasr10-63m-rifle%2C-7-62x39-caliber-/cPath/209_214/products_id/3448 http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/ar-style-rifles/p/century-c-15a2-sporter-ar-15-style-rifle%2C-223-caliber-/cPath/209_216/products_id/1826 http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/fal%2C-hk%2C-cetme-clones/p/cetme-308-caliber-semi-auto-battle-rifle-/cPath/209_432/products_id/2657 http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/commercial-rifles/ruger-rifles/p/ruger-mini-14-ranch-rifle-w-wood-stock-223rem-new/cPath/209_342_352/products_id/2885 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
John_234 |
3. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 27 2010, 1:55 AM EDT
| Post edited: Apr 27 2010, 1:56 AM EDT
"there are a lot of relatively low cost options as far as back up irons go for the AR-15. I wouldn't recommend putting a polymer front sight though, because the rail is ON the gas block(hottest part of the gun while shooting).EDIT: Tard moment. Do you find this valuable? |
Unassigned |
4. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 30 2010, 2:37 AM EDT
"Hello gents! I'd like your info and opinion on the DPMS Panther 5.56 "Sporticale" It seems like a nice, low cost rifle, but the only con is that there is no front iron sights. If you have any info or SUGGESTIONS on a DIFFERENT rifle then by all means TELL ME!!! I'd like somethin low cost like this one I found on ableammo.com here's a link: http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=115639First, please stay away from about 95% of the items on BudK.com... They cater to the armchair collector and the vast majority of their weapons are not made for actual (not to mention sustained) use. The Cold Steel items are decent, but keep in mind that while it will do the job, there is a reason that they have a cheaper price tag. Quality items cost money, that's just the rule of thumb. I own the Kabar Kukri and absolutely love everything about it. It is also offered on BudK, but you can find it on sale other places. Always Google reviews on any item you are giving serious thought to. Also, if you are looking for a cheap, but quality AR, go with the CMMG Bargain Bin rifles. They are the best deal you can get for an incredible price. Read this for more information: "So you want to buy an AR-15, huh?" http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?t=81462 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
possumblaster |
5. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 30 2010, 5:08 PM EDT
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Stop. Read this:http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&single=true&gid=5&output=html This is everything you could ever want to know about AR15's. It compares most major brands and explains all of the differences. It is a must read. Do not buy that one you listed in the link. It does not have a shell deflector or a forward assist. Deflectors kick the brass forward instead of to the side and behind you. Forward assist is used to help close the bolt if it doesn't fully seat upon loading, or if the bolt carrier needs a little extra help pulling a round out of the magazine. For a range gun it would be fine, but do NOT buy one without those two options for a serious SHTF gun. Do you find this valuable? |
LJ126 |
6. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Apr 30 2010, 5:12 PM EDT
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I want an AR-15.... You guys ever get bitten buy the "Gun" bug? I rarely do, but it's biting HARD right now.
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John_234 |
7. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
May 1 2010, 12:20 AM EDT
"Stop. Read this:To put this in perspective, every military M16 rifle has had both features since the first variants used in Vietnam. It's stupid to leave them out. Do you find this valuable? |
ItsMrManCub |
8. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
May 7 2010, 5:09 PM EDT
The DPMS sportical is a nice rifle. I have 3 DPMS's and they have never given me any trouble. As for it not have a front iron sight...no biggie check out cheaperthandirt.com lots of options there. You cant go wrong with pantherarms.com for all DPMS. Pair it up with Magpul Pmags and you have a winning combination and it will lead to some fun times at the range.
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Rider12356 |
9. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
May 20 2010, 12:23 AM EDT
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HEy TheSnoMan210 the olmpic arms Plinker AR15is around 650 to 700 and is way better than a DPMS.DPMS are the bottom of the pile when it comes to AR style weapons there not mil spec AND ARE MADE CHEAPLYatleast the sportical and the one i bought were junk.I say this from expierence they will shoot but if you ever want say a new upper from a different maker goodluck.
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Silver-Back |
10. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
May 31 2010, 3:36 PM EDT
Just remember cheap and accuracy rarely are included in the same sentence.
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5pyral |
11. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Jun 4 2010, 3:34 PM EDT
"HEy TheSnoMan210 the olmpic arms Plinker AR15is around 650 to 700 and is way better than a DPMS.DPMS are the bottom of the pile when it comes to AR style weapons there not mil spec AND ARE MADE CHEAPLYatleast the sportical and the one i bought were junk.I say this from expierence they will shoot but if you ever want say a new upper from a different maker goodluck."After reading this I had to bring this thread back. As for this quote, the info presented is about as accurate as the punctuation. I have a Sportical and it shoots as well as any of my other guns. I am getting about 1.5 MOA after a freefloat handguard upgraded BCG with an EOtech with magnifier. I have NEVER heard anyone claiming Oly Arms are a higher quality gun than ANYTHING else. DPMS makes many parts for other manufacturers' guns, especially the lowers. There is NO problem swapping uppers on a DPMS. Mil Spec is really not worth anything in and of itself. Many commercial parts are made significantly better and more durable than Mil Spec, but theyn do not adhere specifically to those specs. Your comment would hold a lot more weight if you had compared to a LWRC, Daniel Defense, HK, or another gun in that quality/price range. The sportical is a great gun for the price and if you have 2500 to spend, go ahead with the high end guns (or a SCAR). I also do not miss the forward assist or the shell deflector on this gun (but maybe the dust cover). I am right handed, so the brass is still out of my way. As for the forward assist, I never use them. If there is something in the chamber that will not allow a shell to seat, do you really want to ram it in there anyway? I would rather pull the charging handle, clear the chamber, and be able to shoot without anything blowing up in my face. ......End Rant... Do you find this valuable? |
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Silver-Back |
12. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Jun 4 2010, 6:01 PM EDT
If you buy something cause it says Mil-Spec you are plain stupid. you should have a better reason than that. Before you say a gun sucks try different ammo. Guns can be picky about thier food. Plain mil-spec anything is junk. You should look at a company that tries to improve thier product not just follow the ass end of the train. My advice is look for a gun of better quality and find it used. A used good gun is better than a cheap gun. Ammo does make a difference. For $900 (delivered) Budsgunshop.com has a used COLT HBAR II for sale. Look on gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com. Do some research. The Sportical seems to me to be made for hunting a range fun. I agree if you are going to scope the gun then you do not need a front sight. What seperates a good gun from a bad gun is two things, triggers and barrels. Remeber we are not out killing people so just have fun with what you can afford.
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hveshdon |
13. AmmoForSaleDude21
Dec 13 2010, 3:23 PM EST
Upallnightdude is right, he has the best advice on here, other than where you are getting or should be getting your ammo for sale. I know that the militaryshooters.com page is superior.
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oldannyboy37 |
14. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Dec 13 2010, 4:39 PM EST
| Post edited: Dec 13 2010, 4:41 PM EST
"Hello gents! I'd like your info and opinion on the DPMS Panther 5.56 "Sporticale" It seems like a nice, low cost rifle, but the only con is that there is no front iron sights. If you have any info or SUGGESTIONS on a DIFFERENT rifle then by all means TELL ME!!! I'd like somethin low cost like this one I found on ableammo.com here's a link: http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=115639DPMS makes decent guns. They are not Milspec though. There's not much difference but IMO it's always better to go milspec or milspec plus though. DPMS rifles are just fine and there's no shame in owning one, but theirgas keys aren't always properly staked. That and I'm pretty sure they don't have M4 feed ramps. Also their buffer tube may or may not be a commercial version instead of the Milspec one. Really you can buy milspec parts for the gun afterwords but it could be costly, and as I said there's no shame in owning a DPMS or another non milspec gun like a STAG or a RRA, you probably won't even know the difference. Stay away from budk, most of their stuff is ornamental and pretty much ineffecient to most decent quality knives in terms of real world use. Most of the people here have mentioned Cold Steel, they make good stuff and you'd be wise to listen to that suggestion. Spyderco and Ka-Bar both make good knives as well. Ontario can be hit or miss but generally they make very high value stuff. Do you find this valuable? |
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oldannyboy37 |
15. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Dec 13 2010, 4:45 PM EST
"DPMS makes decent guns. They are not Milspec though. There's not much difference but IMO it's always better to go milspec or milspec plus though. DPMS rifles are just fine and there's no shame in owning one, but theirgas keys aren't always properly staked. That and I'm pretty sure they don't have M4 feed ramps. Also their buffer tube may or may not be a commercial version instead of the Milspec one. Really you can buy milspec parts for the gun afterwords but it could be costly, and as I said there's no shame in owning a DPMS or another non milspec gun like a STAG or a RRA, you probably won't even know the difference.Sorry I had to edit, something I said could have come across as standoffish. The point about it being better to buy milspec is that generally the Milspec stuff is a little more rugged. The M4 feed ramps are just supposedly to help the weapon fire full auto more reliably, but that wouldn't really affect your rifle that much. It's all just personal preference. They were right to say that it's not good to buy a weapon just because it's not completely Milspec. Like I said, you probably won't ever notice the difference. Do you find this valuable? |
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Dosvidania |
16. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Sep 18 2011, 9:17 PM EDT
I have had the cold steel khukri for a while, almost two years. It has a couple cons, and alot of pros, and I love it to death.cons: dull blade(can be sharpened) crappy sheath Pros: good at hacking through wood and scrap metal really durable I've had it for 2 years and it looks like it did out of the package full tang Cheap! Do you find this valuable? |
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Forewarned76 |
17. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
Nov 8 2011, 12:18 AM EST
I would look into the Kel-tec's Su-16 rifles if you already have the M16 mags they are pretty reasonably priced and have rail mods
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moesatriani |
18. RE: WEAPONS ORDINANCE HELP!!!
May 9 2012, 11:06 AM EDT
I still think that the <a href="http://www.guns4usa.com">firearm</a> would be okay with out the scope. You could add a better one later if it was really bugging you. I guess it all depends on what you use it for. I really love my two handed kukri! It is one of the best purchases that I have ever made. The longer handle on mine gives it much more power. I would recommend getting the two handed kukri if you are looking into getting one.
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