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fixdeluxe1	Defensive Positions Apr 27 2010, 2:14 AM EDT Everyone knows at one point in time you will need to defend your complex/bug-in location.Whether it be a mobile camp,secure fortress or underground tunnel network,you need to defend if from the two main threats,zees and raiders.Here are some basic tips & hints: Machine Gun Posts: These can be made from sandbags,tent covers and camouflage nets.Ideally you may want to secure some heavy weaponry,from an abbandoned army depot or gun store.You can then construct it by setting up the base,maybe tapoulen.Then making a short wall of sandbags around,leaving a rear enterance gap.This should be no higher than 1m.Then put your machine gun up,and cover with a tent cover.This would be highly effective as a ground-based anti-raider chokepoint defensive structure,but not effective against zees. Watchtowers: If your complex has walls,then these are almost necessary in their own right.They should be easy to construct,even using things like logs and planks in their construction,and should be of medium height(a rural telephone pole).They are excellent against zees,as you can retract the ladder,and constantly lay down fire without the worry of being bitten. Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
WiseChoice	1. RE: Defensive Positions Apr 27 2010, 2:23 AM EDT I read and understand what you are saying. I am not intending to sound like a jerk by saying this but... "Ideally you may want to secure some heavy weaponry,from an abbandoned army depot or gun store." In my personal opinion, people will chew through you with a statement like that. They will ask/tell you "What if you can't find one. And if you find one where will you get ammo". Just tryin to help:). Post reply 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fixdeluxe1	2. RE: Defensive Positions Apr 27 2010, 5:03 AM EDT "I read and understand what you are saying. I am not intending to sound like a jerk by saying this but... "Ideally you may want to secure some heavy weaponry,from an abbandoned army depot or gun store." In my personal opinion, people will chew through you with a statement like that. They will ask/tell you "What if you can't find one. And if you find one where will you get ammo". Just tryin to help:)." I was going along the lines of local gun stores,maybe get some cheap Ak knock-offs and convert them to FA. Currently the only firearm I know how to do this on is the L1A1 SLR,we learnt how to this in the NZ Army with a matchstick to the firing sear,but very uncontrolable. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
driver3000	3. RE: Defensive Positions Jun 24 2010, 11:48 AM EDT Originally i thought living in London would be hell in a zombie apocalypse situation; well no matter what happens it will be for nearly everyone. The problem I face would be Firearm restrictions in the UK however I do have a decent Katana and i have Iaido classes. I also previously formed in the Royal Marines and i am now a Personal trainer. Any way from a defensive point of view i live very close to Windsor Castle, which is mentioned in Max Brooks world war z book. Windsor Castle has a modern installed defences in a worry of terrorism and has a standing army which some of them serve in Afghanistan in the current war and the queen lives there. I'm sure the queen would let survivors in, because she is a very nice person and has lots of other castles. It also has a oil well not to far underneath of the castle which is untapped so were ok for fuel. The castle would also have large amounts of food, because it has to support troops there, but I'm not to sure what kind of supplies they have at there base. But for meanwhile I would have to hold out in my 3 story flat with my Katana and destroy the stair case. I have probably 4 weeks worth of food tinned or in other forms. My flat is connected to many other buildings and i'm sure i would be able to get across the top of the buildings away from zeds. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Shadow_Sukhoi	4. RE: Defensive Positions Jun 24 2010, 1:13 PM EDT "I was going along the lines of local gun stores,maybe get some cheap Ak knock-offs and convert them to FA." Umm, what would make you think that this would be remotely possible? Not trying to rag on you but converting a weapon designed from the ground up to be a semi-auto is no easy task, and to my knowledge, there aren't any conversion kits out there to make it possible so, yeah. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SonoftheGrave	5. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 5 2010, 8:24 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 8:24 PM EDT A high security prison has all of those and if necessary you could go to an island prison such as alcatraz you are surrounded by water as well Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MajorDamage	6. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 5 2010, 8:34 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 5 2010, 8:34 PM EDT "A high security prison has all of those and if necessary you could go to an island prison such as alcatraz you are surrounded by water as well" Sonny, you should do a quick search of prison threads on this site. Alcatraz, specifically, has a thread or two. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
jdi35	7. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 5 2010, 11:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 12:06 AM EDT "Umm, what would make you think that this would be remotely possible? Not trying to rag on you but converting a weapon designed from the ground up to be a semi-auto is no easy task, and to my knowledge, there aren't any conversion kits out there to make it possible so, yeah." trust me, its possible to convert SA ak-47's to FA rather easily. all you need is a FA trigger set for an AK which are very easy to get. then you need to relocate some holes on the receiver so all the stuff fits. there's sites that will tell you how to do it but i'm not gonna tell the specifics BE FOREWARNED!!! by federal law, it is illegal to assemble, construct, possess, or sell any fully automatic firearms unless you have a type 7 or type 10 FFL with a class 2 or class 3 tax stamp( i think that's right). Otherwise expect to be spending some time with Bubba. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fixdeluxe1	8. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 6 2010, 12:16 AM EDT "Originally i thought living in London would be hell in a zombie apocalypse situation; well no matter what happens it will be for nearly everyone. The problem I face would be Firearm restrictions in the UK however I do have a decent Katana and i have Iaido classes. I also previously formed in the Royal Marines and i am now a Personal trainer. Any way from a defensive point of view i live very close to Windsor Castle, which is mentioned in Max Brooks world war z book. Windsor Castle has a modern installed defences in a worry of terrorism and has a standing army which some of them serve in Afghanistan in the current war and the queen lives there. I'm sure the queen would let survivors in, because she is a very nice person and has lots of other castles. It also has a oil well not to far underneath of the castle which is untapped so were ok for fuel. The castle would also have large amounts of food, because it has to support troops there, but I'm not to sure what kind of supplies they have at there base. But for meanwhile I would have to hold out in my 3 story flat with my Katana and destroy the stair case. I have probably 4 weeks worth of food tinned or in other forms. My flat is connected to many other buildings and i'm sure i would be able to get across the top of the buildings away from zeds. " No problem with just Melee weapons,but a firearm will come in useful at one stage. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fixdeluxe1	9. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 6 2010, 12:17 AM EDT "Umm, what would make you think that this would be remotely possible? Not trying to rag on you but converting a weapon designed from the ground up to be a semi-auto is no easy task, and to my knowledge, there aren't any conversion kits out there to make it possible so, yeah." Some firearms are easier than others,either by the nature of their design(like an open-bolted Tec-9,this is much easier and requires almost no spare parts) whereas something more complex like an AR pattern rifle would be harder. Criminals do it all the time,just speaking from my experience as a Junior Armourer in the NZDF Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SurvivalSniper	10. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 6 2010, 1:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 1:38 AM EDT This would be the part where the more senior members would give links to pages like The Panic. Anyway, a single gun, a katana, and cardio isn't going to guarantee survival. Your probably not the only one going to a gun store or the castle. In such a situation, I'm sure the castle will be lock up tight anyway. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
fixdeluxe1	11. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 6 2010, 2:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 2:06 AM EDT "This would be the part where the more senior members would give links to pages like The Panic. Anyway, a single gun, a katana, and cardio isn't going to guarantee survival. Your probably not the only one going to a gun store or the castle. In such a situation, I'm sure the castle will be lock up tight anyway." Mt.Eden Prison is undergoing refurbishment and will soon be surrounded by three double-thickness steel-mesh fences with charged razor wire.Each cell block has it's own generators and solar panels,while the cells are quite comfy with 1-2 wall-stout beds,a shower,concealed toilet and table. Dining is in-cell for higher security in-mates and in large,pre-fab halls for lower sec inmates and females.They spend well over NZ$450,000,000 on food alone.I don't see it as a prison more like a fortified resort. So that is probably a place I would hole up in if I couldn't get out of the city,which would be hard since there is only one motorway in and out. Numerous Arms Dealers,Gun Stores and the docks have lightly guarded Army Depots. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SurvivalSniper	12. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 6 2010, 2:31 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jul 6 2010, 2:31 AM EDT People will go to the safest place possible, anywhere. Nothing says the administration of the prison has to let you in anyway. A single gun and katana aren't going to get you anything except trouble with well armed people. Everyone will be trying to think the safest place to go, any well secured area will be crowded with people trying to get in. You can list how well armed and fortified everyone else is, but that doesn't change your situation. A friendly smile won't get you into such a well fortified position. So unless you plan on getting a life sentence anytime soon... Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
SovietPrince	13. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 12 2010, 7:56 PM EDT "Mt.Eden Prison is undergoing refurbishment and will soon be surrounded by three double-thickness steel-mesh fences with charged razor wire.Each cell block has it's own generators and solar panels,while the cells are quite comfy with 1-2 wall-stout beds,a shower,concealed toilet and table. Dining is in-cell for higher security in-mates and in large,pre-fab halls for lower sec inmates and females.They spend well over NZ$450,000,000 on food alone.I don't see it as a prison more like a fortified resort. So that is probably a place I would hole up in if I couldn't get out of the city,which would be hard since there is only one motorway in and out. Numerous Arms Dealers,Gun Stores and the docks have lightly guarded Army Depots." but they're still guarded... and.. army depots? yea, even at lightly guarded they should be well armed... but then again you described NZ's prisons like resorts... so i doubt anything in your country is defended well (not that im stating anything bad, i love that little island country.. i hear the gun laws are more lax than over here in america...) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
fixdeluxe1	14. RE: Defensive Positions Jul 23 2010, 2:08 AM EDT "but they're still guarded... and.. army depots? yea, even at lightly guarded they should be well armed... but then again you described NZ's prisons like resorts... so i doubt anything in your country is defended well (not that im stating anything bad, i love that little island country.. i hear the gun laws are more lax than over here in america...)" Our Gun laws are quite liberal,more so than Australia,Canada and the UK.Oriented towards Sports Shooters,Hunters and Collectors. NZ Prisons are renown for their quality and standard of living,but they are guarded and do have armories.They would also make good forts if need be,because security mostly relies on Cameras,High-End Steel and Concrete Walls/Fences and razor wire.Enough to detter Z's. NZDF Army Deopts are guarded by un-armed Private Security companies,I don't call that Security I call that "Observe and Report". Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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