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ajarb |
Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
May 18 2010, 4:54 AM EDT
Asuming Zeds are the dumb animals most people think they are thenall of this armouring should not be nessesary. Let me explian, a standard pain of sealed unit double glazing (toughened glass) can with stand hits from kicks, hammer blows, and even thrown brick. Therefore a starndard Zed armed only with its fists doesn't stand a chance of breaking through. Now assuming Zeds only retain the inteligence to walk, smell , see or hear prey atack and eat, then they are not likly to be that fussed about trying to get into to a building unless you make it obvious that its ocupied. So my question for you is this, is the best choice to heavily armour your house and risk the attack of armed human raiders or to simply lie low in an attic or similar room and let everyone human and Zed asume the house is empty?
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PedroAsani |
1. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
May 18 2010, 8:54 AM EDT
It's quite a complicated decision. Yes, fortifications might alert your presence to humans, but your assumption seems to be that Raiders will actively choose a defended house.Don't think that Raiders are as you see them on movies. They are not thuggish leather-clad sadists who take delight in torturing strangers. They are simply people who when faced with the choice of killing someone to take their supplies, or moving on and not eating that day, will do it. They are normal, everyday people. They are simply willing to risk their lives and those they encounter in order to survive. What kind of fortifications are you picturing? I only advise things like double glazing, sturdy exterior doors, decent door locks and metal storm shutters. Most houses are going to be equipped with several of these, so having all of them won't look out of place. And, since scavenging from abandoned houses is a popular option for new people (and hence will be the backup plan of those who don't die at WalMart) fortifying the place oyu are hiding in will avoid your stuff being taken, and violent encounters with otherwise harmless scavenging survivors. Also, it will keep out zombies. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
May 18 2010, 9:52 AM EDT
No what you sugest is perfectly reasonable, thing is with living in UK the chances are the raiders will be the few criminalised surviviors from ex-council estates who already own illegal firearms and are pefectly willing to kill anyone that gets in there way (we are talking of people here who will shoot someone becuase they come from a different postcode area) . And I'm not saying even then that strong door and maybe shutters are not a good idea what I think is a bad idea is advertising yourself to raiders as someonewho is likely to well equiped by digging huge trenches or adding concrete walls around your home as some have sugested.
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3. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 6:08 AM EDT
ajarb has a point, and i know this reply is late but one of my BOL is an abandoned house that is already boarded up i plan to dig trenches around it ..........and its completely surrounded by bushes and thick vegetation.my point is you can combine both of your points. Fortify your fort :S but also make sure it cant be easily seen. This will help a lot Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 12:30 PM EDT
Abandoned houses can deteriorate pretty quickly once left unattended. A small roof leak in your house gets fixed the first rainfall, since you don't like having water dripping inside the place. The abandoned place might have a leak go unnoticed for weeks, allowing it to get bigger, and inviting wet rot and dry rot to take hold.Most places that are abandoned are seldom visited, and then only on dry days (since who wants to inspect a place in the wet?), and most only get a cursory perimeter walk to make sure nobody has broken in and set up residence. By the time a leak gets noticed, it is well on the way to being a serious structural defect. And the time period for that can be as little as six months. Bottom line: if you don't own it, you can't control it, you can't modify it, and so you can't rely on it. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 12:44 PM EDT
My only question is about the toughned glass. I used to work in a window factory that produced it's own toughened, and tempered glass. It was tough, but I question wether it will continue to hold after 10 or 20 zombies pushing all their weight against it. Even if it doesn't crack, they'll flex it enough to pop it out of the window frame. Even double pane windows.
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6. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 3:47 PM EDT
"My only question is about the toughned glass. I used to work in a window factory that produced it's own toughened, and tempered glass. It was tough, but I question wether it will continue to hold after 10 or 20 zombies pushing all their weight against it. Even if it doesn't crack, they'll flex it enough to pop it out of the window frame. Even double pane windows."I'll question the numbers. How many zombies pushing on the window will vary on the size, but it isn't their whole weight: if they aren't bracing themselves on something, it's around 30%. So average weight of 180 lbs, is 54 lbs. So 540 lbs for 10 zombies, or 1080 lbs for 20. If the frame is properly fixed in a concrete or brick wall, I don't see it coming out. Wood, on the other hand, may well be forced. As for breaking the glass, it can't be done by hand. The force is too spread out, and in the wrong area of the window. So make sure you get multi-paned windows, and your external walls are solid brick or concrete. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 3:53 PM EDT
laying low is a good choice for the first day or so.
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8. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 4:21 PM EDT
I don't think armor really matters if there's 24 zeds right on top of you with you on the ground and them gnawing at your limbs, neck and torso. Chances are some will find a good fleshy place to bite.Speed, vigilance and intelligence - as well as some good fighting skills, will be the best armor against zeds. What if they're like guerillas and like to beat as well? What if they tackle? I wouldn't really reccomend bugging in my place. 2 major intersections, plaza accross the street. Gas main outside my house. Apartment accross the way. Lots of apartments in the immediate area. My house would get looted 10 seconds flat or crashed to rubble by a zombie driver, or blown up... That's why, first sign of trouble I'd be going on a camping trip with a good radio and my gear. If I just wake up one morning and it's like "zomfg zombies"... I gotta save my elderly parents... If I'm at work... There goes my new gear. :( :( :( that's why I'm looking for a good place to hide it, now. It's laying low for me. I gotta be on the move right from the get-go. Do you find this valuable? |
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9. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 4:28 PM EDT
Btw ajabs got a point. Here in Canada and USA there's lots of gang stuff and so on. I mean lots. Every neighborhood, it seems there's a shooting or stabbing because someone was from a different area. Torontos like jungle north. Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 4:34 PM EDT
"Asuming Zeds are the dumb animals most people think they are thenall of this armouring should not be nessesary. Let me explian, a standard pain of sealed unit double glazing (toughened glass) can with stand hits from kicks, hammer blows, and even thrown brick. Therefore a starndard Zed armed only with its fists doesn't stand a chance of breaking through. Now assuming Zeds only retain the inteligence to walk, smell , see or hear prey atack and eat, then they are not likly to be that fussed about trying to get into to a building unless you make it obvious that its ocupied. So my question for you is this, is the best choice to heavily armour your house and risk the attack of armed human raiders or to simply lie low in an attic or similar room and let everyone human and Zed asume the house is empty?"I say fortify your house as muck as possible. Do everything you can to make it an imprenipatible fortress. Raiders won't mess with you then. 0 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 10 2010, 6:08 PM EDT
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"I say fortify your house as muck as possible. Do everything you can to make it an imprenipatible fortress. Raiders won't mess with you then."No really? Cause that wasn't obvious before you stated it. And just because a house is well fortified doesn't mean it won't get attacked. Think of it this way. If a house is really well fortified then logically it should be stocked full of supplies as well so it may well be worth attacking. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 12:36 PM EDT
in a survival situation, a desperate individual (or group) will get past deadbolts and heavy padlocks if they wanna.if i was going to raid a house that looked inpenetrable, i'd see how inpenetrable it is when I run a truck through the wall. best bet. litterally hide your most important gear under a floorboard in the basement or in the attic or somthing. Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 4:21 PM EDT
"No really? Cause that wasn't obvious before you stated it. And just because a house is well fortified doesn't mean it won't get attacked. Think of it this way. If a house is really well fortified then logically it should be stocked full of supplies as well so it may well be worth attacking."Logical. Then it's a matter of who is the occupant isn't it? As you know, some fortified homes will not be worth attacking since failure will be high on the part of the attackers. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 4:30 PM EDT
"Logical.not if theres a 5 foot hole in the wall. Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 5:03 PM EDT
"not if theres a 5 foot hole in the wall."you have to get close enough to make that hole then survive long enough to make use of it, should that happen 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 11:30 PM EDT
Very true but it's possible.****, 90 year old grandmothers drive through peoples front walls all the time and survive. Not hard for 5 determined people to hijack a minivan or bus and drive it through a front window. Even if you blow em up. Vehicles gotta go somewhere still... Then 90 other people get through the hole in the wall. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 11:34 PM EDT
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I've been waiting for just this type of post.First, you have to locate the place which is so valuable to do this stunt. Second, not be detected Third, really understand who you are dealing with Forth, understand your approach you are forgetting things like curbs that tend to f(ck up cars, mini-vans and most trucks Fifth, if you go in w/5 you may not leave w/5 Sixth that casualty could be you **90 yr old grandmas don't have 3 or 4 rifles firing on them before they reach the house either 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 11:39 PM EDT
depending on your timeframe (Z-day + 1 month, 5 months, etc) the people who are dug in like a tick on a blue hound dog might already have some surprises for someone like JPTankthey may fight like hell or they may pull out and pick you off as you try to leave 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Bugging in - VS - Lying Low
Jun 11 2010, 11:39 PM EDT
"I've been waiting for just this type of post.And they also don't have to find said car, hot wire said car, while avoiding zombies. And some spikes and there goes your tires. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |