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White76Knight |
60. RE: raising chickens
Jul 22 2011, 6:30 PM EDT
"Speaking of which there could be dog packs to worry about (with any Apox/doomsday event). And dogs that are hungry or have gone wild could become a real danger to people and your animals.This is a good point, and one I hadn't considered. There is another thread here on the forum concerning how one would fight or ward off this or that type of zombie animal, assuming for the sake of discussion that animals were susceptible to infection to begin with, but some animals won't need to be infected to be a threat. As you point out packs of feral dogs and such would present an entirely different opponent that zeds, and one that would be just as concerned about getting at your livestock as getting at you. Thanks for bringing it up. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
61. RE: raising chickens
Jul 22 2011, 6:33 PM EDT
"i agree with the goats and i might also grow rice as my BOL is in the mountains. i'll try to have it as close to a river for fish as well, gonna live like the japanese but with goats"Japanese? Just tell me that you aren't planning on attacking the zombie hordes with nothing but a katana and I'll be happy. LOL 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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nickmysta555 |
62. RE: raising chickens
Jul 22 2011, 6:49 PM EDT
"Japanese? Just tell me that you aren't planning on attacking the zombie hordes with nothing but a katana and I'll be happy. LOL"didnt mean that part but a katana is gonna be my melee weapon. the japanese were extremely self sufficient concidering the high population as well as little arable land and areas for settlement. they were also skilled bowman and a bow is gonna be my hunting and maybe a reserve weapon 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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White76Knight |
63. RE: raising chickens
Jul 22 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
"didnt mean that part but a katana is gonna be my melee weapon. the japanese were extremely self sufficient concidering the high population as well as little arable land and areas for settlement. they were also skilled bowman and a bow is gonna be my hunting and maybe a reserve weapon"I don't wanna derail this thread or anything, but just remember that a katana might be nearly useless to you unless you have extensive real life training in its proper use. A katana might be a great weapon sitting on a shelf, but if you don't got the skills to pay the bills, just picking it up doesn't mean that you will know what to do with it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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crittergetter |
64. RE: raising chickens
Jul 23 2011, 1:03 PM EDT
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"didnt mean that part but a katana is gonna be my melee weapon. the japanese were extremely self sufficient concidering the high population as well as little arable land and areas for settlement. they were also skilled bowman and a bow is gonna be my hunting and maybe a reserve weapon"The Samurai Warrior were bowmen 1st and then mounted archers before they became swordsmen. Sorry to derail the thread more. Any melee weapon needs practice. But if you have to resort to a melee weapon you have done something wrong. Blood spray/slatter could (?) infect you. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
65. RE: raising chickens
Jul 23 2011, 1:19 PM EDT
Now back to our regularly schedualed progaming. If there are other nearby farms/hides then you can raise one breed of animal and arrange for them to raise another brred of same animal. Do this with as many as you can find. So then you can swap Roosters or even hens to deversify them so they dont get stagnant or breed in some faults/issues. As long as you dont do it to much and get as many farms/hides to do it with you. The breeds can stay viable for generations. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
66. RE: raising chickens
Jul 23 2011, 5:04 PM EDT
"Now back to our regularly schedualed progaming.With proper breeding techniques you can also accomplish this same goal by yourself if you have to. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
67. RE: raising chickens
Jul 23 2011, 5:13 PM EDT
Thats so true. But the more you exchange with other groups the more benefit for all. The more they interact with you the less they might think you a threat. Plus if you ever need armed help they would be more likely to help. Or worst case, its a place you could retreat to if you had to bug.
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White76Knight |
68. RE: raising chickens
Jul 24 2011, 9:17 AM EDT
"Thats so true. But the more you exchange with other groups the more benefit for all. The more they interact with you the less they might think you a threat. Plus if you ever need armed help they would be more likely to help. Or worst case, its a place you could retreat to if you had to bug."Oh I agree completely, fostering good relations with your neighbors will be a wonderful thing, but I was more thinking of cases where there ARE no neighbors. If you and yours are the only surviving humans in the area, you CAN still ensure diversity on your own. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
69. RE: raising chickens
Jul 24 2011, 10:53 AM EDT
Yep just hoping its not that lonely lolWell if you dont live outside of civization before TSHTF then you can always when scavaging, look for now wild chickens/roosters to catch. Same with other animals. Speaking of which, when penned or fenced livestock is located cut the wires & open gates to let them roam. Thats if you cant take them with you right now. This will let them go native but add to accessable animals. If they get to wild you can just hunt them. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
70. RE: raising chickens
Jul 24 2011, 1:25 PM EDT
"Yep just hoping its not that lonely lolCapturing wild animals to raise as domestic wouldn't be easy, but it wouldn't be impossible either. After all, humans haven't raised domestic animals forever, so every domestic animal that we have right now has to be descended from stock that was wild at some point, right? I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere on this site before, but as for letting fenced livestock go native, that's a pretty great idea too. A domestic animal that's turned loose will either find a way to survive, or it won't, it certainly can't be any more challenging than that same animal trying to survive locked in a corral with no access to resources and nobody coming to feed it. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
71. RE: raising chickens
Jul 25 2011, 2:11 PM EDT
I know they used to catch wild Long Horns in Texas for cattle drives to the railroads. For East Coast & military use. Same thing with horses. They both were from domestic stock that went native for whatever reason. For large animals like cows & horses. Build a real strong fence to hold them in a large area. They wont tame much but you have access to their young. The younger you catch them the harder to raise (like bottler feeding) but easier to domesticate with constant contant and feeding. It will also help with diversity of animals. If trained early they can be used as draft animals. If nobody ib your group has experience at this then go to a town library and get one. Or trade someone that one. Amish would be a good trading partner or addition to the comunity. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
72. RE: raising chickens
Jul 25 2011, 8:57 PM EDT
"Amish would be a good trading partner or addition to the community."I've often thought that it would be more than worthwhile to spend a season (or even a full year if you can spare the time) living in an Amish community, respectfully learning their way of life. The day is gonna come when we all have to live without cars and electricity and municipal services and whatever, and most of us don't know how to do without these things because our families haven't done without them for at least a generation or two. The Amish, on the other hand, do without these things every day, because they chose never to have them in the first place. How many of us know how to raise crops, or hew timber out of logs that we felled ourselves, or build a barn with those timbers, or blacksmith our own horseshoes, or raise and butcher our own livestock? The Amish know how to do all of these things. I'd love to have the opportunity to learn all that from them. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
73. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 7:19 AM EDT
Yep its neat to watch them. Now depending on the community they are allowed to use modern electric gear IE rip saws, drills, and such if only at work. Not at home though. So they do everything at home old fashioned. I see Amish men riding in construction pickups driven by a non-amish every morning headed out to the construction site.Still if the power went out and stayed out they could deal with it easy. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
74. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 1:28 PM EDT
"Yep its neat to watch them...My thoughts exactly. As far as I know, they unfortunately have no communities even remotely near me, else I'd be on their doorstep with my pens and paper in hand for taking notes in a hurry. Do you find this valuable? |
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crittergetter |
75. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 5:49 PM EDT
Well I think there are some in Canada too. I just dont know where. They deffinatelywill get a grip sooner than most if they can hold onto it. I know a few and they do have some weapons, they hunt alot. They say some do think they need more weapons for defense but they dont beleave in fighting or war. Its a issue they have to deal with. Some are quietly buying and hiding weapons for a what-if. One of them looked at stock I needed fixed and refinnished on a Hex Laminated stock Mosin-Nagant. He is thinking of SKSs. I afreed and if he does he will come here to practice with it. LOL Im gonna help him sin lol Do you find this valuable? |
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x-wolfhunter |
76. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 6:52 PM EDT
"3) You can incubate the eggs without electricity or have electricity post-apoc."Egg incubation is unnecessary unless you are mass-producing chickens. The mother hens do it themselves. Personally, I've had the best experience with female bantams, as they are very motherly and broody. Rhode Island Reds are good for egg laying; their eggs are nice and big, and the Rhode Island Red roosters (When fully grown) can chase off a fox (It's happened here many a time. Do you find this valuable? |
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x-wolfhunter |
77. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 6:54 PM EDT
"Raise chickens and rabbits and get the benifits of raising both."And the debate ends here. Do you find this valuable? |
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x-wolfhunter |
78. RE: raising chickens
Jul 26 2011, 7:31 PM EDT
"Good question.A few questions, Raufgar: 1) How do the chickens feed the fish? 2) Wouldn't it be better to make a solid but removable floor so that when the chickens are out or in the presumably "floating" (Attached to the wall) nesting boxes and it comes time to clean the henhouse, you can simply remove the floor and dump it? 3) How will the fish be fed in a man-made pool when factory-made fish food is not an option? 4) How do the chickens get out of the lake? Is there some sort of removable plank? That would indeed pretty much nullify any threats posed by foxes while the chickens sleep. I may have a few others, but now I'm a bit distracted. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
79. RE: raising chickens
Jul 27 2011, 9:27 AM EDT
"Well I think there are some in Canada too. I just dont know where. They deffinatelywill get a grip sooner than most if they can hold onto it. I know a few and they do have some weapons, they hunt alot.Yeah, they have a number of settlements in Canada, just none anywhere near where I live. Their communities are mostly out in the plains provinces, as I understand, and I am on the east coast (in fact, I'm about as far east as a Canadian can get without needing a passport or getting their feet wet. LOL). Do you find this valuable? |