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holydiver238 |
20. RE: Fire treanch
Sep 29 2010, 7:47 PM EDT
Yeah, I would only use it if there was something backing it up. If there's nothing backing it up I would use something else. I would probably have a few trenches, in front of each trench, a barricade. Behind all that a wall with a gate and a few guards in little towers. Can't forget the napalm. If all that fails, I'll set explosives and run. But if I find ac/dc attacking my fort than some one else will have to do all that.
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zombieniJa17 |
21. RE: Fire treanch
Sep 29 2010, 7:51 PM EDT
Heres a thought if a coal plant is near you dang i already gave it away.
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timberrattler |
22. RE: Fire treanch
Sep 29 2010, 10:41 PM EDT
I can do much better than that.http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Way+of+the+Rattlesnake+-+Timberrattler%27s+Plan Do you find this valuable? |
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23. RE: Fire treanch
Sep 29 2010, 10:43 PM EDT
When I saw this thread, I immediately thought of your gas-line, TR.Might be a tad bit dangerous if you don't clear the brush out of the area around it, though. Do you find this valuable? |
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timberrattler |
24. RE: Fire treanch
Sep 29 2010, 10:47 PM EDT
"When I saw this thread, I immediately thought of your gas-line, TR.You're damn right its dangerous. It would be a last ditch defense when you were in complete danger of being over run. Do you find this valuable? |
Markthegenius |
25. RE: Fire treanch
Jan 6 2011, 10:04 PM EST
I had a similar idea about a week ago. Rather than a trench, it was a low double wall, with a gap (say about a metre or 2) filled with something flammable (scrap, spindly wood, even trampled bushes would do. Designed so that the zombie horde would have to climb over it. A network of guttering could run around the wall, above the wood. Poor a couple gallons of petrol into the guttering, have a mechanism to flip it over, pouring everything onto the wood and then light it. maybe place loads of pieces of something like petrol firelighters spaced around to help it catch quicker.Of course this would be fuel-costly, labour-intensive and would require the neccesary materials. Plus fire safety would obviously have to be considered. Maybe a trench after, so flaming Zs are dramatically slowed down/stopped from reaching you before they're burned up. any of the materials could be changed, and it doesnt even need to have a wall, just burnable stuff that you could set into a big fire in less than a minute. *Imagines a ring of thermite going off around a fort* ....ahhh.... Do you find this valuable? |
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Markthegenius |
26. RE: Fire treanch
Jan 6 2011, 10:08 PM EST
"Human flesh is not particularly flammable. It takes an accelerant to get it going, and keep it going. Most people who die from burns can blame either their clothing or gasoline for allowing the flames to stay lit."I'm not saying it's gospel, but ages ago i saw a program on tv that was documenting cases when murder victims had their bodied burnt to get rid of the forensic evidence. I distinctly remember saying that even when the clothing has been burnt away, the body can carry on burning for a couple of hours by itself. It may have been totally made up, but it sounds plausible to me, if they're podgy enough lol Do you find this valuable? |
redcomrad |
27. RE: Fire treanch
Jan 29 2011, 12:54 AM EST
couldn't you just use some ethanol/alcohol then that make it so that you wont have to worry about wasting precious gasoline.
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chitoryu12 |
28. RE: Fire treanch
Jan 29 2011, 2:35 PM EST
"couldn't you just use some ethanol/alcohol then that make it so that you wont have to worry about wasting precious gasoline."Alcohol burns at a low heat for a long time. One of the things my friend did was stuff a half-full bottle of rubbing alcohol with cotton balls and light it, and the most it does is melt the plastic bottle. Alcohol can be used for making long-burning torches, but not good for burning much else. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
GhostPride |
29. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 1:28 PM EST
It is an interesting idea to say the least...But what if the fire gets out of control? What if zombies burn slowly? By the time they succumb to the flames they may have burnt down your fort with themselves. Fire should be used as a disposal weapon: burn them when they are already dead to stop infections. If you really insist on a fire trench, make sure the fire won't spell your doom as well. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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paulred2 |
30. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 1:43 PM EST
My main criticism of this idea, besides all those pesky pragmatisms like " If zombies are going to be a threat in the first place they will obviously have basic obstacle-avoidance abilities. " and " it's really really easy to cave in a trench with sheer walls from within. You'll only catch one zombie before you just have a ditch or loose dirt again " is the fact that's it's reeally hard work to dig a deep enough, wide enough, sheer-walled enough hole to be effective. Doing it yourself, any sort of substantial attempt at this would take weeks. Add on the time out of those days you lose feeding yourself, protecting yourself etc and the time it takes to find supplies and accelerant. This is too big a project to apply to most people's plans. unless you have a huge group and a perfectly laid out hold-out spot in mind, this just isn't practical from the word go, let alone a few hundred zombies in when you're trying to fish out bone so the hole doesn't fill up. Just sayin'... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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paulred2 |
31. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 1:47 PM EST
"couldn't you just use some ethanol/alcohol then that make it so that you wont have to worry about wasting precious gasoline."What about wasting precious alcohol? :( 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
rabidbeaver |
32. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 3:34 PM EST
What about making a thermite shower around the entrances. Its pretty easy to make and it burns right through bone. All you need is a ton of alluminum cans and rust. Note I did not give the proportions so I am not giving intructions on how to build an explosive. This would save gasoline and it would be more selective. A trench would be extremely en-efficient and wastefull. Oil might work better in the trench though that would save gas.
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chitoryu12 |
33. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 4:49 PM EST
"What about making a thermite shower around the entrances. Its pretty easy to make and it burns right through bone. All you need is a ton of alluminum cans and rust. Note I did not give the proportions so I am not giving intructions on how to build an explosive. This would save gasoline and it would be more selective. A trench would be extremely en-efficient and wastefull. Oil might work better in the trench though that would save gas. "How much thermite are you going to be dumping? Is there any risk of unintentionally burning your base or starting a fire? Is it going to be deployed by a team or an automatic defense (meaning it can be tripped by accident)? Do you find this valuable? |
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Markthegenius |
34. RE: Fire treanch
Feb 6 2011, 7:16 PM EST
"How much thermite are you going to be dumping? Is there any risk of unintentionally burning your base or starting a fire? Is it going to be deployed by a team or an automatic defense (meaning it can be tripped by accident)?"theres a massive risk of destroying everything. it would take a massive amount of aluminium and rust to build a ring far away enough to be safe. It burns at around 4,500 degrees i think, depending on the ingredients (they vary) and sends out lots of sparks. It wouldn't burn for very long though. Thermite is hard to set off by accident, as it needs a lot of heat to light it. Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
35. RE: Fire trench (spell it properly)
Feb 6 2011, 7:39 PM EST
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"What about making a thermite shower around the entrances. Its pretty easy to make and it burns right through bone. All you need is a ton of alluminum cans and rust. Note I did not give the proportions so I am not giving intructions on how to build an explosive. This would save gasoline and it would be more selective. A trench would be extremely en-efficient and wastefull. Oil might work better in the trench though that would save gas. "Because Thermite is Dark Magic, so giving out the proportions of the ingredients is a foolproof way to prevent someone making it. Here's a few things: The internet has rendered obfuscation like this redundant. You aren't hiding anything secret here. The most important part (which you have neglected to mention) is that in order to start this reaction, you need a massive heat source. Matches or a lighter won't cut it. Most people who use Thermite for anything use magnesium ribbon. And of course, that is a lot harder to get in any quantity, rendering your "all you need is a ton of aluminium cans and rust" idea void. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
36. RE: Fire trench (spell it properly)
Feb 6 2011, 7:48 PM EST
Let me expand on why I think that the idea of a Fire Trench simply won't work the way people are assuming.First, if you fill a regular trench with oil, or gasoline or any incendiary liquid and wait a few hours, what happens to the liquid? It seeps into the soil. Unless you line the trench with something to prevent this, you would need to prepare the trench just as zombies approach. Anyone volunteer to be outside the defences with incendiary liquids? If you line it with say, plastic sheeting (as I know someone will suggest) then that will MELT. Good use of your resources there (and more on that in a second). Second, how much fuel does it take to burn one body? You don't care about the bones, just the tissue. Here's a test. Take a sausage, put it in a metal tray. Add 1oz of petrol and light it. Sausage gone? No? Add another. And another. Keep on going until nothing remains but ash. See how much you went through? And you intend to use this much fuel to burn how many zombies? Aside from the storage problem, why waste so much fuel when it could be used for running a generator or vehicle? Third, the trench could fill up as has been said. This is the smallest concern, as even if it provides a path for other zombies once full, it has contained a metric ******** of zombies. But would you want to go and stand on the edge to pour fuel into that? What if you fall in? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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PedroAsani |
37. RE: Fire trench (spell it properly)
Feb 6 2011, 7:54 PM EST
The only solution that I have come up with is to use a renewable fuel source.Wood. Fill the bottom third of the trench with dry grass, kindling and logs. Use a knotted mass of dry grass as a fuse. You light the bundle, drop it in the trench and let the wood burn. If you have constructed the fire properly (and yes, a fire is something you construct. You don't just pile **** on top and light it) then the flames will rush from end to end. This method allows you to deal with zombies and corpses in equal fashion. Do you find this valuable? |
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Markthegenius |
38. RE: Fire trench (spell it properly)
Feb 6 2011, 9:27 PM EST
"Because Thermite is Dark Magic, so giving out the proportions of the ingredients is a foolproof way to prevent someone making it.Actually, all you need to set off the whole defensive perimiter is one magnesium ribbon, which you can light with a lighter. Failing that you could shave a magnesium flint stick (VERY carefully lol) to get the magnesium.. Once the reaction has started it would spread pretty quickly. After all, burning thermite is much hotter than burning magnesium. And regarding your other post, just read back through the thread. I gave an idea of stacking flammable material, with a mechanism with a gutter to release flammable liquid over it. burning a sausage isn't a very good experimient, because a sausage is usually nearly all meat, i.e. muscle (a legal minimum of 40% meat in the UK anyway). IDK how much heat a body takes to burn but once it's going, it can burn for 2 hours or more.Clothing would certainly help, and if it were a zombie im assuming it would be dry, making it much easier to burn. BTW, were you being liltteral and serious when you called thermite "Dark Magic", or were you just satirically referring to its hardcore properties? Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
39. RE: Fire trench (spell it properly)
Feb 6 2011, 9:55 PM EST
"Actually, all you need to set off the whole defensive perimiter is one magnesium ribbon, which you can light with a lighter. Failing that you could shave a magnesium flint stick (VERY carefully lol) to get the magnesium.. Once the reaction has started it would spread pretty quickly. After all, burning thermite is much hotter than burning magnesium.One piece of ribbon, per encounter. You plan on using the trench regularly? Need to stock up on ribbon. Magnesium flint? Do you want to stand over the trench and try to light it whilst zombies paw at you? The sausage actually is a good analogue to human flesh, precisely because it is all meat. Remember that when using fire to kill zombies, you don't need to destroy bones, just flesh. So testing on something that is just meat is appropriate. If you want to use an entire pig, go ahead. It will be more accurate, but require more fuel for the test, and be more expensive. And Thermite = Dark Magic to people on the internet. They treat it as "explosives", and believe it to be hidden, forbidden knowledge. It is actually an incendiary, relatively benign and (at least here in the UK) taught to 12 year olds as an introduction to chemistry. Do you find this valuable? |
