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butcherofscotland
Cannons
May 20 2010, 7:40 AM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 7:40 AM EDT
Many castles have got cannons already mounted on battlements, with the cannonballs beside them. Only problem is the fuses and the gunpowder. My BOB would contain string and I'd get gunpowder when I get guns. Do you find this valuable?    
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1. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 10:39 AM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 10:39 AM EDT
"...and I'd get gunpowder when I get guns."
No, you wouldn't. If you don't have it before Z-Day, don't even try to convince yourself that you could obtain it. You will just get killed in the process.
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_Mario_
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2. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:05 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:05 PM EDT
Instead of cannons you should think on catapults. Castles are made of stones that you can launch, and you don't have such limited supplies like gunpowder and cannonballs. Do you find this valuable?    
demon_of_the_desert
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3. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:20 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:20 PM EDT
save the gun powder for reloading bullets. one shot with a cannon could reload 1,000rds or more depending on the size of the cannon. Do you find this valuable?    
YourBrainOnDrugs
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4. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:39 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:43 PM EDT
You would need a pretty large crowd of zombies to have a shot at actually hitting some with a cannon ball, and the likelyhood of taking out the head of those you it would be pretty low.

I also agree that its unrealistic, even by zombie survival standards, to assume something you don't have will be easily acquired at that point. If you can't get gunpowder when everything is normal, you won't be seeing any when it all goes wrong either.
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AlexHigginbotham
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5. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:41 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:41 PM EDT
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Filadog
Filadog
6. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:49 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:49 PM EDT
Is very important to remember that muzzle loading cannons have to be fired with black powder only ...if you use smokeless powder like you use to reload cartridges there is very real chance they will blow up

I have an antique cannon that has a 2 inch bore that I have fired a few times... fun and with buckshot / grape shot pretty effective at close range. I have to get around to building a new carraige for it
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demon_of_the_desert
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7. RE: Cannons
May 20 2010, 12:50 PM EDT | Post edited: May 20 2010, 12:50 PM EDT
ya i made a carraige for my friends cannon there not hard to make just some 4X4 posts Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
8. RE: Cannons
Jun 6 2010, 11:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 6 2010, 11:58 PM EDT
I'd just like to say that I've seen black powder cannons in action. I live in Florida, and went down to St. Augustine with my girlfriend back in November. The Castillo de San Marcos fort has working replica cannons, and they fire off blank charges at certain times.

First problem: ammo. Most cannons are used for re-enactments, so there's not much of a market for cannonballs when you're firing blanks (unless you have a really sadistic re-enactment director). More than likely, you'll end up having to make your own ammo. And if you DID find a few shots, you'd have to pray that they actually fit the cannon.

Second problem is accuracy. The guns often don't even have iron sights, let alone the advanced computers and optics of modern guns. Being smoothbore, the shot will also have all the accuracy issues with smoothbore muskets.

Then there's power and range. Your average black powder cannon doesn't have nearly as much power as a howitzer from even 100 years ago, and range is limited. Most ammo will likely be non-explosive solid shot, which can sink into soft ground and is only useful for disabling the undead. Explosive cannonballs are unlikely to hit brain tissue unless they detonate above a crowd.

Finally, there's the problem of loading. No artillery is intuitive to load, but even with instructions there's a chance that an inexperienced crew will overload the powder and blow up the gun in their face, something a modern cannon won't do.

I personally wouldn't chance it. If I wanted to use artillery, I would use modern cannons from a great distance and find some soldiers who actually know how to operate them.
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John_234
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9. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 10:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 10:23 AM EDT
I'm just waiting for the tard who loads their blackpowder cannon with smokeless powder... Do you find this valuable?    
DLOWTHEMAD
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10. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 10:29 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 10:29 AM EDT
"I'm just waiting for the tard who loads their blackpowder cannon with smokeless powder..."
I keep imagining them standing around next to a smoking ruin, faces black, hair burning.... like a Tom & Jerry episode
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OutlawJames
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11. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 6:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 6:24 PM EDT
"I'm just waiting for the tard who loads their blackpowder cannon with smokeless powder..."
BWAHH HAA HAA HAA........Just be a smoking hole left in the ground...
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OutlawJames
OutlawJames
12. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 6:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 6:27 PM EDT
"I'd just like to say that I've seen black powder cannons in action. I live in Florida, and went down to St. Augustine with my girlfriend back in November. The Castillo de San Marcos fort has working replica cannons, and they fire off blank charges at certain times.

First problem: ammo. Most cannons are used for re-enactments, so there's not much of a <NOBR>market</NOBR> for cannonballs when you're firing blanks (unless you have a really sadistic re-enactment director). More than likely, you'll end up having to make your own ammo. And if you DID find a few shots, you'd have to pray that they actually fit the cannon.

Second problem is accuracy. The guns often don't even have iron sights, let alone the advanced computers and optics of modern guns. Being smoothbore, the shot will also have all the accuracy issues with smoothbore muskets.

Then there's power and range. Your average black powder cannon doesn't have nearly as much power as a howitzer from even 100 years ago, and range is limited. Most ammo will likely be non-explosive solid shot, which can sink into soft ground and is only useful for disabling the undead. Explosive cannonballs are unlikely to hit brain tissue unless they detonate above a crowd.

Finally, there's the problem of loading. No artillery is intuitive to load, but even with instructions there's a chance that an inexperienced crew will overload the powder and blow up the gun in their face, something a modern cannon won't do.

I personally wouldn't chance it. If I wanted to use artillery, I would use modern cannons from a great distance and find some soldiers who actually know how to operate them."
The best bet for ammo in a muzzle loading cannon on Z-day would be with Shot
charges. Those could be made up out of lead balls, steel ball bearings, scrape metal, nails, screws..etc. etc.

The idea would be using the cannon like a giant shotgun, throwing a huge pattern of schrapnel out its muzzle.
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sillyboyishere
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13. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 6:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 6:54 PM EDT
hmm this my come in handy for SOME jobs. maby i could steal one and use it to kill raiders. Do you find this valuable?    
chitoryu12
chitoryu12
14. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 7:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 7:24 PM EDT
"The best bet for ammo in a muzzle loading cannon on Z-day would be with Shot
charges. Those could be made up out of lead balls, steel ball bearings, scrape metal, nails, screws..etc. etc.

The idea would be using the cannon like a giant shotgun, throwing a huge pattern of schrapnel out its muzzle."
Still, the aim is to hit the zeds in the head. If the shot hits too low, it'll just knock the zombies back at best. It would take a nearly point-blank shot to remove their legs and immobilize them.

You would get much better results with trained snipers and hunting rifles.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
15. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 7:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 7:24 PM EDT
"hmm this my come in handy for SOME jobs. maby i could steal one and use it to kill raiders."
Sure. Then you miss and the raiders all follow the massive cloud of smoke and club you to death while you try to reload.

Assuming you don't overload the powder charge and leave them all laughing at your dismembered ass.
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WiseChoice
16. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 7:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 7:29 PM EDT
"This thread is so fail."
Haha. F***ing funny.
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mudroll
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17. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 7:57 PM EDT
"Sure. Then you miss and the raiders all follow the massive cloud of smoke and club you to death while you try to reload.

Assuming you don't overload the powder charge and leave them all laughing at your dismembered ass."
No, no, no you're missing the other factors in this. Such as the fact as there's a mother ******* cannon pointing at your face.
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chitoryu12
chitoryu12
18. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 8:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 8:46 PM EDT
"No, no, no you're missing the other factors in this. Such as the fact as there's a mother ******* cannon pointing at your face. "
You're missing a certain factor: intelligence.

If I see an ancient cannon pointing at me, I'm not going to surrender. I'm going to just run behind cover (even a stone wall or hill is effective cover from something that old), wait for you to fire, then pop out and shoot you. Assuming you loaded the cannon properly and didn't underload or overload it and make it useless/dangerous. I've seen the time it takes to load one of these things. You would all be dead in the time it took you to reload, even if I missed a few shots.

And don't bring airbursting shells in as a way of getting around cover. I seriously doubt you'd be able to time them properly to go off over my head.
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mudroll
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19. RE: Cannons
Jun 7 2010, 8:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 7 2010, 8:53 PM EDT
"You're missing a certain factor: intelligence.

If I see an ancient cannon pointing at me, I'm not going to surrender. I'm going to just run behind cover (even a stone wall or hill is effective cover from something that old), wait for you to fire, then pop out and shoot you. Assuming you loaded the cannon properly and didn't underload or overload it and make it useless/dangerous. I've seen the time it takes to load one of these things. You would all be dead in the time it took you to reload, even if I missed a few shots.

And don't bring airbursting shells in as a way of getting around cover. I seriously doubt you'd be able to time them properly to go off over my head."
Anyone who only relies on cannons for defense is stupid. They'd probably have several other modern guns with them.
Yeah the cannon made you back off for a second and gave them enough time to draw weapons. Seeing how you're behind a wall waiting for them to fire they would have ample time to prepare some sort of defense. The cannons don't even need to be loaded, just them being there to intimidate you is enough.
And why would there be a random stone wall in the middle of no where. And no cannon would just smash that wall to pieces with you behind it.
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