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cyrano222	congrat on the MOTO Jun 11 2010, 9:22 AM EDT congratulation on the motovation to get back into shape. It is extremly difficult. I have trouble with an extra 20lbs over the winter so my wife and I started cross country skiing. When you get to be our ages(mid fifties) you have to restrict your diet anyway, but winter time we became more sedentary and put on weight. Getting you but in gear and dedicating to doing the work is the hardest step. Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
LJ126	1. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:17 AM EDT Cross country skiing sounds awesome! I wish I lived somewhere with enough snow to do that :) My favorite workout is trail hiking, and fortunately for me there are lots of great trails here in and around town. You're definitely right on the motivation part - it really is the hardest part of weight loss. There has to be a drive and a conscious decision to improve your health in order to lose weight. Once you've got the desire and will to make it happen, its only a matter of time. I hope the article isn't too abrasive - I've actually started toning it down a bit here and there. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cyrano222	2. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:18 AM EDT sounds fine to me but I have been known to be a bit blunt. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	3. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 1:22 AM EDT Yeah your article is a bit rough. But it sort of needs to be since too much wishy-washy lacks impact. When you have a nail to pound back into place you don't pull out pom-poms. Honestly I haven't touched a scale in a while but it's gonna be gnarly to start a program. Any ideas on exercises? My weight set only goes to 100. Personally I have little care about the health aspect. I have sh.it I wanna do and my weight is a limiting factor. So I either not do what I want or get rid of it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	4. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:24 AM EDT Are you looking to lose weight? Or waist size? Those are two different things. Weight: If I cut Cheese, Soda, & Beer (Yup, in that order) out of my diet for even a week I lose about 5 lbs in 1 week. It also helps that my job involves me walking around most nights. If I find myself sedetary long enough in the office I do one of the following. -Dips -Single (Bulgarian) Leg Squats -Calf Raises. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
cyrano222	5. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:26 AM EDT BEER, you blasphemer. Sorry kneejerk reaction. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	6. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:28 AM EDT "BEER, you blasphemer. Sorry kneejerk reaction." LOLZ! Oh, don't get me wrong. I still drink Beer (BEEEEERRR!! HEEEEERRRRE!!!!) and consume what I'm talking about. Trust me, it's not easy. Those three things are my addictions. They are all equally hard to cut out or quit entirely. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	7. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:33 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 1:34 AM EDT "Are you looking to lose weight? Or waist size? Those are two different things. Weight: If I cut Cheese, Soda, & Beer (Yup, in that order) out of my diet for even a week I lose about 5 lbs in 1 week. It also helps that my job involves me walking around most nights. If I find myself sedetary long enough in the office I do one of the following. -Dips -Single (Bulgarian) Leg Squats -Calf Raises." I don't wanna look in the mirror and see a pear. I want to look like a normal thickly built 5'7 male. As to weight if I can sub fat for muscle I can live with being heavy since from what I hear muscle is heavier than fat. As to your addiction the way I see it if you are healthy and get good exercise then you aren't as severly limited as someone in lose mode. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	8. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:44 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 1:45 AM EDT "Any ideas on exercises?" I've not yet gotten that far, but I do plan on addressing exercise in the article. I've found that the best exercises for me have been ones that work out your whole body, are scheduled (increases your likeliness to show up!) and focus on strength and flexibility. For those reasons, I advocate martial arts training above any other form of exercise. Most dojo meet 2-3 times a week, for 90 minutes per session. The intensity level is high, but because you're in a learning atmosphere, it doesn't seem boring. It's also nice because you're indoors, which helps folks who have allergies a lot. Tuition prices can vary considerably, but the average price around here runs for about $50 a month. However, martial arts isn't for everyone - it can be expensive, many people aren't interested in learning martial skills, and location is very important. Also, there are also lots of illegitimate schools out there, with poor teachers or dangerous training methods. Also, like anything else, martial arts can be subject to fad trends - right now, because of the whole MMA thing, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Thai kickboxing (Muay Thai) are really popular. However, on top of being a great work out, martial arts training builds strength, flexibility, character and confidence, and if you like to compete, it offers an outlet for your competitive nature. And... you'll probably kill more zombies :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Freelancer47	9. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:46 AM EDT "I don't wanna look and get good exercise then you aren't as severly limited as someone in lose mode." "I don't wanna look in the mirror and see a pear." Is there a Steam room or Sauna near you? Thats a great way to loose water weight! "As to your addiction the way I see it if you are healthy..." True. It's more an issue of watching how much of the three I consume on a daily basis. You know the saying: Too much of a good thing.... blah, blah, blah.... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	10. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:49 AM EDT I LIKE Martial Arts but in sparring sessions if I got hurt I switched from the moves they tought to the ones that worked. They tend to look down on shin strikes > backhand to the back of the head > over the shoulder throws. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	11. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:50 AM EDT ""I don't wanna look in the mirror and see a pear." Is there a Steam room or Sauna near you? Thats a great way to loose water weight! "As to your addiction the way I see it if you are healthy..." True. It's more an issue of watching how much of the three I consume on a daily basis. You know the saying: Too much of a good thing.... blah, blah, blah...." Not sure. And yeah I learned that from eaty two packs of Colby-Longhorn. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	12. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:52 AM EDT \| Post edited: Jun 12 2010, 1:53 AM EDT Hmm... sounds like an MMA school might be the place for you then Carnack!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	13. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:56 AM EDT "Hmm... sounds like an MMA school might be the place for you then Carnack!!" Only one of those here and me and the instructor ain't too friendly. His dog bit me and I broke its jaw <_> Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	14. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 4:46 AM EDT Wow, I wouldn't like you much either after that. Actually, I'd probably run you down and hurt you, especially if I was an MMA instructor. Well, that sucks, 'cause that sounds like it'd be a good match for you. There are probably some generic karate (Shotokan or Shorin-ryu) dojo near your location, those would be a good place to start. Tae kwon do might be a good choice too, but I've heard that its particularly challenging for less fit folks... Hopefully you get a more traditional sensei - they're more strict, but they tend to be better instructors. I doubt there are any Judo or BJJ dojo near your location, but they're probably not good matches for you. No strikes allowed, even when you're losing. If someone's choking you out, or pulling your shoulder apart, you can't hit them to break out anyways, so you gotta tap. I'll tell ya what though... throwing people is a lot of fun. That being said, martial arts isn't the only workout out there. If there's a club fitness or Gold's Gym, or better yet a little, corner powerlifter gym, you can get one hell of a workout. Personally, I enjoy power lifts - deadlift, squat and bench press - but you need to have someone teach you how to do these correctly. Often times, power lifters will take new guys under their wing and show 'em the ropes, especially if they see potential in you. Strong guys like other strong guys. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MajorDamage	15. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 7:16 AM EDT If I may be so bold as to add: swimming = slimming. I suggested that to LJ (not sure on results) last year since it is low impact, easy on the body and can build stamina quickly. If you want/need to burn calories, swimming works. When used as cool down or added after a heavy weight workout, I find that I practically skim the surface with a higher muscle build up plus treading water is effortless for longer times. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Jackhorse	16. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 7:30 AM EDT I do Wing Tsun kung fu (also spelt Wing Chun depending who your learning it from) and if you want to be allowed backhands and just whatever gets the job done in any situation then I'd reccomend it. It's not a tournament martial art like Tae Kwan Do or Judo so if you want to improvise a little on what you've learnt its encouraged (by my teacher at least). I'm a basically sedintery geek most of the time but i'm still lean and fairly muscled because of kung fu. Give it a go and try out as many martial arts until you find one thats most suited to you. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Carnack	17. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:21 PM EDT "Wow, I wouldn't like you much either after that. Actually, I'd probably run you down and hurt you, especially if I was an MMA instructor. Well, that sucks, 'cause that sounds like it'd be a good match for you. " Way I see it you must not like your dog if you let it run around biting random people unprovoked. It just begs for someone to hurt it. I love animals but I love having 4 limbs more. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
LJ126	18. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 1:28 PM EDT "If I may be so bold as to add: swimming = slimming. I suggested that to LJ (not sure on results) last year since it is low impact, easy on the body and can build stamina quickly. If you want/need to burn calories, swimming works. When used as cool down or added after a heavy weight workout, I find that I practically skim the surface with a higher muscle build up plus treading water is effortless for longer times. " I swim pretty frequently - one of the advantages to my college was that I got full access to the weight room, fitness center and swimming pool. Unfortunately, I'm a poor swimmer, but I've gotten considerably better. Believe it or not, after losing a bunch of weight, you don't float the same way. I used to could fill my lungs up with air and treading was unnecessary. Now I've actually gotta work to stay on top of the water. My gal's grandparents have a really nice pool, so I've been swimming there twice a week - usually for an hour or so. I typically do a couple of laps back and forth at a ridiculously slow pace, due to my lack of swimming skill. I also go neck shoulders deep and practice Kihon Kata. The resistance added by the water makes it very challenging, but by doing it at a reduced speed, it improves fluidity. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mudroll	19. RE: congrat on the MOTO Jun 12 2010, 2:47 PM EDT Yeah as you lose fat and build up on muscle you become less buoyant as fat allows you to float while muscles being heavier will cause you to sink. And yeah swimming is a great way to lose weight. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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