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austinhh13 |
kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 12:59 PM EDT
i was wondering what you think about kids forging weapons, not stick knives, but actual metal weapons. i myself am only 14 but i just made an iron spike about 3.5 feet tall that when thrown, goes though 3 inches of metal and poke the tip and a little of the rod in the back. i also am making r.r. spike knives. so whats your opinion about kids forging weapons?
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LJ126 |
1. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 2:07 PM EDT
Kids can make all sorts of stuff. Who do you think stitches and glues together your Nikes? If its made in a small Asian country, you can bet your arse that it was made with child labor or in a factory that endorses those practices. If anyone can't tell, underpaid child labor is one of the many reasons I stress that people buy North American-made products if they have a choice in their purchases.
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Maricely |
2. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 2:34 PM EDT
What I think about kids forging weapons is that kids can do whatever they want if they have their parents permission. They might get hurt but that's not my business.
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zachy_vengeance |
3. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 2:58 PM EDT
So you threw a spike through 3 inches of metal? Impressive, I don't think a 12 gauge could even do that.
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AlexHigginbotham |
4. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 3:30 PM EDT
"So you threw a spike through 3 inches of metal? Impressive, I don't think a 12 gauge could even do that."A 12 gauge AP Sabot wouldn't pierce 3 inches of steel. Round stock iron is really rare now adays. Where did you get it? Do you find this valuable? |
nate121 |
5. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 3:56 PM EDT
hmm... three inchs i don't believe thatand i've made cast alumimun, melted down some pop cans and put it into a clay mold to cool 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
brandon_a_boyer |
6. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 4:01 PM EDT
"i was wondering what you think about kids forging weapons, not stick knives, but actual metal weapons. i myself am only 14 but i just made an iron spike about 3.5 feet tall that when thrown, goes though 3 inches of metal and poke the tip and a little of the rod in the back. i also am making r.r. spike knives. so whats your opinion about kids forging weapons?"Firstly, you didn't throw an iron spike through 3 inches of metal. Saying things like that on this website destroys your credibility. I'm all for kids forging weapons. With proper supervision and guidance. Supervision is necessary for several reasons. 1. Many of these tools can serious maim if not kill you. Using the tools safely is something only an adult can teach you. 2. There are techniques to use on certain materials that work more quickly and effectively than others. Learning these techniques the proper way will help keep the kids from getting discouraged. 3. There is quite a bit of science behind metals and their usage. For example, do you know the carbon content of that rail spike? Can you harden it? Things like this are important. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
182crazyking |
7. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 7:50 PM EDT
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"This is the only way to write in italics ^_^"Please ignore this. Double post. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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182crazyking |
8. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 7:51 PM EDT
He is SUPAHMAHN and he stole the metal.Kid, you did NOT throw, using your ARMS, a 3.5 foot iron spike through 3 inches of metal. Boyer, I agree with you. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
9. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 8:30 PM EDT
Theres a new anti tank mine that turns a super heated copper cone into a big dart, and it only penetrates like 4 inches.
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sillyboyishere |
10. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 8:31 PM EDT
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i make weapons all the time in my forge. everything from trench spiles to nails. and its not hard to doedit: ya i havea hard time baliveing it was 3in of steel. MABY some sheet steel. Do you find this valuable? |
Filadog |
11. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 9:52 PM EDT
Most rail road spikes you see are mild steel and as such can't really be hardened to make into a usable knife. Older spikes might be wrought iron but in my experance not to common. Some RR spikes are High Carbon steel and can be used to make edge tools , these spikes often will be marked HC to different them from the regular mild steel ones. I have heard they are used in areas of track under more stress ...don't knowIf you have an interest in blacksmithing you need to learn how to spark test the steel to tell it's carbon content, easy to do using a grinder or belt sander Wrought iron round bar stock is far from rare, you just have to look around for some scrap. I used to buy lots of old furnance pokers to use for raw material. Iron fencing scrap is a good choice to though oftern the iron will be a low quality making it harder to forge Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
12. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 10:11 PM EDT
Concrete reinforcing rod is also a good source of material for a beginner.
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182crazyking |
13. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 17 2010, 10:18 PM EDT
"Concrete reinforcing rod is also a good source of material for a beginner."Rebar? That stuff is hardcore. In more ways than one xP Do you find this valuable? |
reaper1070 |
14. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 12:52 AM EDT
yea kids should be able to make weapons it teaches us important skills.Im a teenager and ive been making makeshift weapons for awhile. my parents are fine with it as long as im careful and take safety measures. for example i've made a Spud cannon that can knock a large man on his butt and make him dazed, is easily reloadable and can shoot far more things than potatos with the right ammunition it could kill a zombie. Do you find this valuable? |
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AlexHigginbotham |
15. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 1:17 AM EDT
"yea kids should be able to make weapons it teaches us important skills."The more times I read this phrase the less I agree with it. I remember making weapons as a kid, and I also remember hurting myself a LOT. I also set my dads bathroom on fire with a propane torch once, but had someone asked me about it before hand, I would have sworn I was responsible enough to handle it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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reaper1070 |
16. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 1:37 AM EDT
yes i admit it i hurt myself ALOT and i learn from my mistakes. in the years i have been making these weapons i have learned how to use many tools, how to build many things and i have gotten really really good at first aid.oh and btw, why were you using a propane torch in the bathroom? Do you find this valuable? |
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182crazyking |
17. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 1:47 AM EDT
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Yup, kids should be able to make weapons - to the exent of seriously injuring themselves and/or blowing shìt up.And yes, I did say "seriously" - as in, 3rd degree thermal burns, broken bones, vegitative state, etc. I don't consider a 3 inch gash in your forearm gained from testing your consealed, flip-out mini katana switchblade serious injury. I consider it self limiting. XD Do you find this valuable? |
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reaper1070 |
18. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 1:56 AM EDT
...was that random or did you try that?
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AlexHigginbotham |
19. RE: kids forging weapons
Jun 18 2010, 2:49 AM EDT
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I don't mind that kids learn valuable smithing skills, but just about every aspect of metal work has very dangerous elements.I mostly do fabrication with sheet metal, and about %80 of the tools I use could either burn me badly, tear my skin off, or cut my hand off. If I have the tools when the time comes, I would love to teach my son/daughter how to work with metal, but it would be very supervised with utmost safety in mind. I wouldn't have a problem with them being creative and making some sort of weapon, but at the same time, you have to decide if you want your kids having a weapon. For the parents, if you have a 12-15 year old with you while you are at the flea market, would you buy them the $30 samurai sword or medievil flail from the crappy knife guy? Not likely. My dad started me small. When I was about 11, by dad bought me a little swiss army knife. When I showed that I could handle that, I got a really sharp little Case folder. When I proved responsible with that, I got a SOG boot knife, and so on and so on. By the time I was 16 I was trusted enough to be out with guns on my own, and my dad and stepdad are super conservative and safe when it comes to weapons. It is all on an individual basis, but my biases are the same with adults. If I dont personally know you are trustworthy with a weapon, young or old, I wont give you one until you prove you can handle it. Edit - Home made propulsion weapons such as potato guns and such will be made and used under my close supervision. Even when used safely, they aren't safe. PVC wasn't designed to hold pressure from combustion and a 40 year old is just as likely to blow their hand off as a 16 year old. If you REALLY want exposed to weapons at a young age there are a lot of ways to do it. JROTC has rifle teams, the NRA hosts weapons safety courses directed at 18 and under, and many many many gun stores have courses and ranges for kids. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
