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elelobo
what kills a zombie.
Jun 27 2010, 5:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 5:23 AM EDT
OK before i get neewbed todeath with BOOM HEADSHOT, what im interested in what actually kills a zombie. Many humans have been shot or stabbed in and through the head an survived , an the old bullet between the eyes would prob just come out the back of the head doing minimal damage.
decapitation, does it kill the zombie or just the body leaving the head snapping on the ground?
Im gunna assume most head shots that leave the head casue the big old exit wound an the vacum of the bullet tearing through would cause most of the brains to come out. Non penetrating headwounds i dont think would stop a zombie destryoing one side of the brain may not be sufficent to keep one down, concidering ur average zombie has no pain receptors it would have to be a pretty smashed brain.
instead of decapataion at the neck maybe cutting a head in half sideways would be the one true kill shot.

Many times ive seen cool xrays of knives stabbed through heads or the old nail gun putting a few deep into the head an them surviving but after doing some research i came across The incredible case of Phineas Gage. found here..http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2007/07/the_incredible_case_of_phineas.php. For those who dont want to read it , he was compacting gunpowder when the tamping rod sparked an it exploded an entered under the cheek bone an coming out the top of hes head, The tamping iron was 3 ft. 8 inches in length and 1.25 inches in diameter.
he survived an was alittle out of character but still alive an well.

so cut the brain in half or crush it to bits or shoot it to pieces. wats the best Kill?
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PedroAsani
PedroAsani
1. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jun 27 2010, 6:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 6:35 AM EDT
It largely depends on the archetype you are dealing with.

28DL will die from any traumatic wound. They can also starve.
Romero need any traumatic head wound or decapitation to kill them outright.
Solanum need brain stem damage. Decapitation leaves the head alive.
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bigtree1138
bigtree1138
2. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jun 27 2010, 8:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 8:30 AM EDT
Lets not forget our little gift from Prometheus. After all, unless we are talking about prions, purging with fire is always an option Do you find this valuable?    
PedroAsani
PedroAsani
3. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jun 27 2010, 8:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 8:49 AM EDT
"Lets not forget our little gift from Prometheus. After all, unless we are talking about prions, purging with fire is always an option"
Disposal of corpses and severed heads, yes.

But setting an ambulatory predator on fire when it doesn't respond to pain is a recipe for disaster. It will take many minutes to die, and in the meantime has the capability to set alight every thing it touches.
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duterfel
duterfel
4. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jun 27 2010, 9:00 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 27 2010, 9:00 AM EDT
I have always thought of it like this. The zombie brain is like a complete circut. As long as the circut is intact the undead zombie will function...but remove or break any part of that connection and the whole system fails.

Cutting off the head of a Romero zombie will only kill the body. The head will continue to try to eat you not realizing that it's body is gone.

Using fire to incinerate the dead undead is always a good idea. Using fire against the living dead...not such a good idea. Like Pedro said...they will walk around on fire igniting anything around them until they fall because their muscles have been burned away. The corpse itself may still be "alive" even after that. The fire and the heat may not do enough damage to the brain inside the skull. High heat will crack the skull but may not damage the brain either.
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phoenixavengerguy
phoenixavengerguy
5. RE: what kills a zombie.
Nov 23 2010, 5:07 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2010, 5:07 PM EST
Good question. The bottom line with old Zach is that you want to destroy as much of the brain as possible. The best way to do this is with a firearm. When using a firearm to destroy a human or undead brain there are many options.00 Buckshot will do a great job, it's got big enough projectiles to get the job done and it'll get a lot of the brain generally because of the spread. Birdshot probably won't work as the little pellets don't have enough mass to penetrate a human skull. Having never shot a human in the head before, I'm open to debate or revision on birdshot though. Moreover, a large rifle round is a good choice although it may overpenetrate and glide harmlessly through the brain creating the Phineas Gage effect and we have to assume that if it didn't kill a petty human then it wouldn't kill a ghoul. However, I believe, and again it's up for debate, that a large round such as 30.06 will explode the head and brain from hydrosatic shock or at least blow out the back of the head, leaving the head a pile of shredded jello. Bludgeons such as a baseball bat may take a few hits ( see episode one of the walking dead) as humans have been known to survive such trauma relatively uninjured. A bowie knife through the eye socket is a good one provided that the knife is long enough and you give it a swizzle to scramble the brain. My favorite would probably have to be hollow point rounds for any weapon as they'll penetrate the brain and then mushroom and fragment to send shock and shrapnel through Zachie's skull. Also, .22 long rifle rounds are good, not effective on humans because shooters usually go for the body instead of the head, but if you get a good headshot on a zombie it'll pentrate the skull and then not have enough velocity to exit the skull, meaning it''ll zoom around inside the head and puree the brain. Also, the crack won't hurt human ears as much as other guns. It's subsonic. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
agentaaa
agentaaa
6. RE: what kills a zombie.
Nov 23 2010, 5:15 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 23 2010, 5:15 PM EST
Hmmmm.... I can't remember where on this site, but I remember reading the lower back part of the brain controls the nerves and basic movement.(correction if wrong, please) while the areas closer to the front are responsible for higher thought. Whether living or dead, knocking out that part should stop it from moving. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
atarimark
atarimark
7. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 9 2011, 8:58 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 8:58 PM EST
Yeah, I remember reading something about that as well but I thought it was the whole back of the brain. I will have to look for that. Do you find this valuable?    
sprintingmaniac
sprintingmaniac
8. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 9 2011, 11:38 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 9 2011, 11:38 PM EST
"


Using fire to incinerate the dead undead is always a good idea. Using fire against the living dead...not such a good idea. Like Pedro said...they will walk around on fire igniting anything around them until they fall because their muscles have been burned away. The corpse itself may still be "alive" even after that. The fire and the heat may not do enough damage to the brain inside the skull. High heat will crack the skull but may not damage the brain either. "
Romero zombies are afraid of fire and feel pain from fire it might not always be a bad idea.
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duterfel
duterfel
9. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 2:43 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 2:43 PM EST
"Romero zombies are afraid of fire and feel pain from fire it might not always be a bad idea."
Yeah that's never made any sense to me. Dead things don't feel pain. That's one of the nice things about being dead. They may be primativly reacting to the sight of the fire like all animals would. It is natural to fear fire. Fire hurts.

I have also never agreed that the undead are somehow more flammable just because they are undead. It takes a long time and a lot of heat to fully cremate a human corpse. Just dousing a zombie in gas is not going to stop it. The gas will burn off well before enough damage is inflicted.

There is no solid proof that Romero's zombies feel pain. They do seem to recoil from fire at times. This poses an interesting question then. Why does fire damage seem to "hurt" them or cause them to react...but bullets, blades and general dismemberment damage is completely ignored as if it never happened.
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Akaoushi
Akaoushi
10. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 3:05 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 3:05 PM EST
phoenixavengerguy: Good call on .22 cal weapons, but .22's are not subsonic, but you can get subsonic ammo for them. :)

As for killing a zombie, I'd have to say anything that will distroy the brain is a good plan.

decapitation would leave the head to still present a danger.
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atarimark
atarimark
11. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 3:17 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 3:17 PM EST
i've always liked the idea of using a wood chipper but mounted on the front of dump truck. Or maybe lure them into a semi-trailer cattle car, haul them to a fire pit, back them up and open the door. Or my favorite, take a flat bed truck and mount a couple of poles on the back corners, mount a lawn mower onto that with the blades exposed, but allow the caged in operator to move the blade height and just do a pide piper routine where they follow the truck and get beheaded as you go. Do you find this valuable?    
sprintingmaniac
sprintingmaniac
12. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 3:53 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 3:53 PM EST
"Yeah that's never made any sense to me. Dead things don't feel pain. That's one of the nice things about being dead. They may be primativly reacting to the sight of the fire like all animals would. It is natural to fear fire. Fire hurts.

I have also never agreed that the undead are somehow more flammable just because they are undead. It takes a long time and a lot of heat to fully cremate a human corpse. Just dousing a zombie in gas is not going to stop it. The gas will burn off well before enough damage is inflicted.

There is no solid proof that Romero's zombies feel pain. They do seem to recoil from fire at times. This poses an interesting question then. Why does fire damage seem to "hurt" them or cause them to react...but bullets, blades and general dismemberment damage is completely ignored as if it never happened. "
There is some proof of Romero's zombies feeling pain from fire. Such as in Dawn of the Dead when they were locking the entances to the mall burned the zombie's hands with blow torches when the flame touched their hands they quickly pulled them away as if it hurt.

Also in Land of the Dead a zombie was on fire and was screaming and flailing it arms around until Big Daddy put him out of his misery by shooting him.
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AlexHigginbotham
AlexHigginbotham
13. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 4:55 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 4:55 PM EST
Brain destruction is really one of the sure fire ways to destroy a human body. A body can live for a bit missing any major organ, but when there aren't electrical impulses coming from the brain, everything shuts down nearly instantly.

Maybe the only way to kill a zombie is to shoot them in the foot, but wouldn't it be more practical that a headshot would be effective in any situation?
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Mr_Jumbles
Mr_Jumbles
14. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 5:03 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 5:03 PM EST
btw just for clarification about the portions of the brain a few of you asked about

-the frontal lobe is all higher thought and what not
-the back/occipital lobe is mostly eye sight (if you ever have been hit on the back of the head you black out for a bit ... thats why its illegal in fighting sports, you can go blind)
-the brain stem/madula oblongata controls pretty much everything the body needs to function (pain, movement, organs, breathing, etc.)

but i always forget what the temporal lobes do damn dont wana google it :\
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Mr_Jumbles
Mr_Jumbles
15. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 5:05 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 5:05 PM EST
AH HA!
here perfect
http://bungelab.berkeley.edu/KidsCorner/kidscorner/games.html
nice little picture diagram + info
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Mr_Jumbles
Mr_Jumbles
16. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 5:07 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 5:07 PM EST
"Brain destruction is really one of the sure fire ways to destroy a human body. A body can live for a bit missing any major organ, but when there aren't electrical impulses coming from the brain, everything shuts down nearly instantly.

Maybe the only way to kill a zombie is to shoot them in the foot, but wouldn't it be more practical that a headshot would be effective in any situation?"
god thatd actually be a harder target since its smaller and it would move more than a head (since TO MOVE the FOOT MUST MOVE)
but then ... landmines effectiveness would skyrocket like no other
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duterfel
duterfel
17. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 5:58 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 6:07 PM EST
"There is some proof of Romero's zombies feeling pain from fire. Such as in Dawn of the Dead when they were locking the entances to the mall burned the zombie's hands with blow torches when the flame touched their hands they quickly pulled them away as if it hurt.

Also in Land of the Dead a zombie was on fire and was screaming and flailing it arms around until Big Daddy put him out of his misery by shooting him."
Again...this seems more like a pre programed reflex or antonmic response to fire itself...not actual pain stimulus. Probably has something to do with the primitive reptile brain in all of us.

Zombies don't fear the gun or the sword or anything else for that matter. So why are they afraid of just fire. Being burned doesn't hurt any more or less than being cut or shot. You don't see zombies running around cluthing old bullet wounds.

Honestly...I don't think Romero put much thought into his zombies at all.
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mudroll
mudroll
18. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 6:18 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 6:18 PM EST
It's called plot point. Or yeah just not enough thought. Who cares.

I'm pretty sure being burned is a lot more painful then being shot or cut. Not that it matters with zombies being dead and all.
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versagen
versagen
19. RE: what kills a zombie.
Jan 10 2011, 7:13 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2011, 7:13 PM EST
"Hmmmm.... I can't remember where on this site, but I remember reading the lower back part of the brain controls the nerves and basic movement.(correction if wrong, please) while the areas closer to the front are responsible for higher thought. Whether living or dead, knocking out that part should stop it from moving."
that is true. The brainstem is the main thing that keeps every animal alive. Take out peices of it and different things happen. I think its the hypothalamus that if you take out can make a cat(basically anything) go into an everlasting coma. Something can live with just the brainstem just fine, it just can't learn or think. Sorry about that whole ramble, but yes, you are correct. Take out the lower part of the brain and its dead.(phineas Gage only had part of his frontal lobe taken out- thinking place.)
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