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Zero/Omni |
-Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 2 2010, 11:56 PM EDT
So I'm posting because lately I've had a concern that I feel should be brought to the attention of anyone browsing around these threads. So does anyone know which part of the head you're actually supposed to shoot to disable a zed? It started out with me considering different caliber size in the recent top 10 handguns poll. So I was considering a comparison of handgun calibers, specifically Five-Seven, 9mm, and .45. Naturally a .45 will leave a pretty damn big hole in a zed head to bring it down. But I'm more a 9mm preference for my own reason, and I'm worried if the bullet will disable the part of the brain that matters. So, I'm no brain surgeon but I'm guessing the part that relates to motor control is the target, whatever the hell part that may be. So if we could compile a bit of light research to confirm and pinpoint our targets, it may just save my life and your own.Any comments, criticism, opinions, anything of the sort would be appreciated to make sure that a zombie is dead. Or if you'd rather just blaze me over the internet because my idea is a bit stupid or pointless, well go ahead and do that too. Do you find this valuable? |
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DerSchatten |
1. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 3 2010, 1:06 AM EDT
"So I'm posting because lately I've had a concern that I feel should be brought to the attention of anyone browsing around these threads. So does anyone know which part of the head you're actually supposed to shoot to disable a zed? It started out with me considering different caliber size in the recent top 10 handguns poll. So I was considering a comparison of handgun calibers, specifically Five-Seven, 9mm, and .45. Naturally a .45 will leave a pretty damn big hole in a zed head to bring it down. But I'm more a 9mm preference for my own reason, and I'm worried if the bullet will disable the part of the brain that matters. So, I'm no brain surgeon but I'm guessing the part that relates to motor control is the target, whatever the hell part that may be. So if we could compile a bit of light research to confirm and pinpoint our targets, it may just save my life and your own.Ha! Do you find this valuable? |
PedroAsani |
2. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 3 2010, 5:06 AM EDT
A good question.Opinions differ. Depending on the archetype, any headshot will do. Others require brainstem damage to kill them. However, a gunshot will often cause trauma to the brainstem as it exits and creates a vaccuum that pulls brain matter with it. I would say just aim for the head, and if they don't drop first time, keep firing until they do. If it is an occasional thing, don't panic. If it's required every time, then rethink your ammo count. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
Carnack |
3. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 3 2010, 5:11 AM EDT
The nose is the target.Death by headshot isn't required. You hit the nose and carry through that's the brain's connection to the body getting shredded. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zero/Omni |
4. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 3 2010, 9:35 AM EDT
It looks like the nose is the real target for the most part. I did a bit of googling on a map of the brain, and the brain stem is located more or less straight through the nose, which has partial responsibility over motor controls. unless whatever strand of virus may make a zombie, and has damaged that portion and controls another, in which case it must be limited to some other part of the brain, which would fall in the area of the classic middle of the forehead headshot. So it's not likely anything to worry about. Still, good to be prepared for the possibility that a headshot won't bring them down.
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Oakspar77777 |
5. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 4 2010, 10:39 AM EDT
Also, take caliber into account. Large caliber rifles or shotgun slugs won't matter - they are paving an interstate through the skull and taking everything else with them. Mid-level calibers will need to hit what matters, so it is here (like with your 9mm) that you aim for the brain stem. For low-level calibers (.22 being by FAR the most common), you should aim for the eye. A .22 can ricochet off of the skull, but will almost never have an exit. If you hit the eye, you get a soft passage into the skull where it will fragment and bounce around like a pin ball. If you need the stem to drop it, plan to put in two or three in a short burst, then wait and see if one strikes gold. Do you find this valuable? |
call_me_kurt |
6. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 4 2010, 11:01 PM EDT
i'd have to agree with pedro. the type of zombie plays a big part. Max brooks says it's a new organ that if damaged (ie: caved in, shot, scrambled) will kill the zombie, a rage zombie simply dies like the rest of mankind when a round hits anything of direct importance in the head...
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John_234 |
7. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 12:20 AM EDT
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Do what you do if you shoot somebody anywhere else: keep shooting until the threat no longer exists. A double tap won't always kill an assailant, same for headshots. Train to observe the shot on your target, so you can immediately shoot again if necessary.As for what part of the head? Aim for the center of whatever target you're trying to hit... because hits to the head generally kill, wherever they hit, and a hit always beats a miss. Think about it. If the zombie is close enough for you to actually aim for a specific part of it's head, don't you have concerns worse than a one shot take down? Like backpedaling and avoiding his friends? At range, you're generally not going to have that much precision anyway - if you do, then you've already got a weapon with the power to do the job. It's a non issue. EDIT: Spelling. Do you find this valuable? |
SovietPrince |
8. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 12:03 PM EDT
just a quick thought.. nothing to sit on... from either side, left or right... a hit to the [area between the ear and edge of eyesocket] should be an instant kill.. at least thats my assumption.. it would definitely work for a rager because when you feel that spot you can feel the blood pumping... obviously thats a good target...or maybe i should just say the earhole and shut up... Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
9. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 3:04 PM EDT
"just a quick thought.. nothing to sit on... from either side, left or right... a hit to the [area between the ear and edge of eyesocket] should be an instant kill.. at least thats my assumption.. it would definitely work for a rager because when you feel that spot you can feel the blood pumping... obviously thats a good target...Because a zombie is always going to sit its ass in the right direction, right? Picking out specific parts of the head in a life threatening situational is pretty delusional. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
10. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 3:05 PM EDT
im saying... if one had time to line up a shot on the target, but was at the disposition of being on its left or right...but like i said maybe i should shut up Do you find this valuable? |
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John_234 |
11. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 3:13 PM EDT
"im saying... if one had time to line up a shot on the target, but was at the disposition of being on its left or right...If you set up a shot ahead of time, yeah, the temples are more vulnerable as the bones are thinner. But practically anything of 9mm or higher caliber will punch through the skull anyway. Thinking of it during a zed battle would just slow you down, that's all. Aim for center mass of whatever you are trying to hit. Do you find this valuable? |
nate121 |
12. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 5 2010, 3:17 PM EDT
"For low-level calibers (.22 being by FAR the most common), you should aim for the eye. A .22 can ricochet off of the skull, but will almost never have an exit. If you hit the eye, you get a soft passage into the skull where it will fragment and bounce around like a pin ball. If you need the stem to drop it, plan to put in two or three in a short burst, then wait and see if one strikes gold."IT WON'T BOUNCE AROUND!!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SovietPrince |
13. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 7:30 AM EDT
"IT WON'T BOUNCE AROUND!!!"bullets tend to fragment.. depending on how they're made. the bits of a bullet will indeed bounce around. on a side not, this is why i like the 5.56/.223 rem and the 5.45 x 39mm when it hits a target, it tumbles... Do you find this valuable? |
duterfel |
14. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 8:13 AM EDT
"bullets tend to fragment.. depending on how they're made..22 calibre projectiles are known to bounce or ricochet dramatically once they have entered the skull. This is why the .22 was the weapon prefered by mob hitmen. At point blank range a small bullet makes a very small hole...and then causes a great deal more damage once it starts to tumble through grey matter. Bullets do bounce. They can change direction quite easily if the conditions are just right. Bullets can bounce and travel along walls. They can entre in one spot, split and make two exit wounds. Bullets do all sorts of odd things once they are in flight. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
15. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 8:30 AM EDT
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"IT WON'T BOUNCE AROUND!!!"Sorry nate, but .22 do have a tendency to ricochet within a skull. It has been documented by coroners, one even wrote a book about it. If you search this site, you will find my presvious posts on this subject. It doesn't happen every time (I believe the incidence rate was about 15% for .22 compared to the 2% for other calibers) but it does happen. There was an x-ray showing the path as it had bounced off the skull three times. Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
16. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 8:33 AM EDT
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/3334994/%5BLooking+for+Critique%5D+My+Personal+Zombie+Defence+Structure.#14 Do you find this valuable? |
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PedroAsani |
17. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 8:42 AM EDT
http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/thread/3178347/Brooks+on+the+.22lrFirst page. Do you find this valuable? |
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SovietPrince |
18. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 2:30 PM EDT
very interesting..
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John_234 |
19. RE: -Everyone"Shoot them in the head." -Me"Which part?"
Jul 6 2010, 2:58 PM EDT
I still stand by the point that, 15% is not worth risking your life on. You don't want a weapon that "might" kill them in short order, you want a weapon that will "probably" kill them quickly.
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