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Godbuster |
Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 4:43 AM EDT
I know it sounds ridiculous. But really, would deployment or containment of the vicinity of a base would be priority? I live in a town thats adjacent to a base. I'm just saying, troops now are deployed and it appears they have a skeleton crew. Not nearly enough people to handle an outbreak of ANY kind. Zed's would take over and the overwhelming population of the surrounding towns would be too much for the Army to maintain control. I think it would be a total loss..... However, after said outbreak calms down, what about raiding the post for supplies? MRE's, Weapons, and possibly even fortification. There are tons of buildings with more than 1 layer of cyclone fencing and barbed wire...two and three story tall buildings...hell the hospital itself is 4 stories. Just wonder what other opinions are :D
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ItsMrManCub |
1. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 5:12 AM EDT
"I know it sounds ridiculous. But really, would deployment or containment of the vicinity of a base would be priority? I live in a town thats adjacent to a base. I'm just saying, troops now are deployed and it appears they have a skeleton crew. Not nearly enough people to handle an outbreak of ANY kind. Zed's would take over and the overwhelming population of the surrounding towns would be too much for the Army to maintain control. I think it would be a total loss..... However, after said outbreak calms down, what about raiding the post for supplies? MRE's, Weapons, and possibly even fortification. There are tons of buildings with more than 1 layer of cyclone fencing and barbed wire...two and three story tall buildings...hell the hospital itself is 4 stories. Just wonder what other opinions are :D"First welcome to the site! Second read this- http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/The+Panic Third a plan like that, like you say is ridiculous, and contains alot of "ifs." Make a plan. Make it something feasible that you CAN for sure accomplish. The key to be prepared, and you cant do that with something your not even positive would go the way you think. For the record, good job on your first attempt. Better than what my wallotext looked like lol, at least yours has punctuation. As to answer your question about the HK off a previous thread. Its just another farfetched idea bro. While it sounds good in your head, most people will never 1. afford it. 2. even know someone to get it for them. The gun seems cool though! : ) 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
PedroAsani |
2. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 5:24 AM EDT
Would securing a military base be a priority in the event of a biological threat?Abso ******* lutely. If they can't create and contain a perimeter, then they grab all their stuff, load it onto trucks, and run to the fallback points. With all useful equipment and materiel gone, you are left with empty buildings, the internal layout of which you are not familiar with. So defending them will be a lot harder than defending your home. You are more likely to miss blocking a door or window, giving the zombies access to you. Do you find this valuable? |
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Godbuster |
3. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 5:47 AM EDT
@ ItsMrManCub Yeah, I reckon you're right. Too many ifs. Base would be good to raid occasionally for supplies. Believe it or not, I actually know someone who has the HK416, the model that was being considered to replace to the M16. @PedroAsani I *DO* know the layout of post. Like the back of my hand. When I was younger, I delivered food on base for 3 years. So I know the barracks, the HQ buildings, National Guard buildings, the location of 3 ranges, messhalls, where the warehouses are, all of the residential communities. However...you are right about them pulling everything they can out. I'm kind of a jack of all trades :) I did custodial/maintience for the Department of the Army as well. So there are probably about 50 buildings that I know inside and out. Worked at the warehouse driving a forklift where they would store/ship the Army's gear as well...I'm talkin about body armor, guns, and ammo. Army bases are arranged by blocks and all blocks have block numbers. Its not hard to get a copy of a base map from the MP station. National Guard's armory never leaves either. Its here for their training. I've lived here for 13 years have never seen the National Guard without Hummers, Jeeps, and other vehicles. This being a military town, there are lotsa surplus stores here....that sell stuff that can't be sold to general population... Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 5:52 AM EDT
"@ ItsMrManCubOh im not disputing the fact that its a great gun. The price just puts it out of the question for most. Do you find this valuable? |
AlexHigginbotham |
5. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 9:01 AM EDT
Thats kind of werid that the whole base is pretty much deployed at the same time. Must be a reserve base or just really small.
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White76Knight |
6. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 9:47 AM EDT
I think another question to think of is: How many other people in a hundred mile radius, maybe even further, have exactly the same idea? I mean, a military base, chock full of military grade supplies, especially a base that is only lightly staffed, would make a pretty tempting target for anybody. Would there be anything left by the time you got there?
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AlexHigginbotham |
7. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 10:16 AM EDT
"I think another question to think of is: How many other people in a hundred mile radius, maybe even further, have exactly the same idea? I mean, a military base, chock full of military grade supplies, especially a base that is only lightly staffed, would make a pretty tempting target for anybody. Would there be anything left by the time you got there?"Lightly staffed means lightly armed. Most munitions aren't even stored on bases. They are trucked in when they are needed. There isn't a huge military owned stockpile of munitions laying around, because we order it as needed. Most places that stockpile weapons are manufacturers such as Haliburton and Lockheed Martin. They keep it in their warehouses until we pay for it. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
DevilNuts |
8. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 3:34 PM EDT
"Lightly staffed means lightly armed. Most munitions aren't even stored on bases. They are trucked in when they are needed. There isn't a huge military owned stockpile of munitions laying around, because we order it as needed."This is true. I worked on a reserve base in PA, and there were only a handful of rifles on base and NO ammunition. However, if you knew where to look you could find plenty of CIF gear (think flak vests, gas masks, basically camoflaged camping gear). Entire pallets of MREs would likely be left behind, so you would have a gold mine there. Anything that is a weapon or Controlled Cryptographic Item is going to be either taken with, or destroyed. Also keep in mind two things: 1) If the situation is so bad that the post must be deserted, it isn't going to be much safer for YOU. 2) If they decide to come back, they are going to do so both very quickly and in force, and you do NOT want to be there rummaging through the supply warehouse when daddy gets home. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
SurvivalSniper |
9. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 3:52 PM EDT
Somehow, you overpowered the staff. Now you have a very hard to defend compound with light, if any defense.This building will also be a target by everyone else, so.... If anyone comes to occupy the base, your screwed. I'm sure the Army won't be too happy to find someone raiding their supplies. Do you find this valuable? |
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Godbuster |
10. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 10:46 PM EDT
"Thats kind of werid that the whole base is pretty much deployed at the same time. Must be a reserve base or just really small."Yeah, its pretty crazy. Its actually a decent size base. 3rd ID is stationed here. The 4th Brigade just started to deploy this week. More of our guys are coming back from August to May of next year. So right now, this post is nearly deserted except for family. There wouldn't be enough soldiers to defend against a widespread incident. Maybe having more people that had the same idea would be a good thing, esp. if more people would group together. Maybe form clean and sweep teams for greater coverage and overall safety. What would be the protocol if the military thought they couldn't hold the position or thought that they should reinforce another location and abandon this one? Could they even get all of the supplies out while under constant threat of attack? Do you find this valuable? |
agentaaa |
11. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 6 2010, 11:15 PM EDT
"Yeah, its pretty crazy. Its actually a decent size base. 3rd ID is stationed here. The 4th Brigade just started to deploy this week. More of our guys are coming back from August to May of next year. So right now, this post is nearly deserted except for family. There wouldn't be enough soldiers to defend against a widespread incident. Maybe having more people that had the same idea would be a good thing, esp. if more people would group together. Maybe form clean and sweep teams for greater coverage and overall safety. What would be the protocol if the military thought they couldn't hold the position or thought that they should reinforce another location and abandon this one? Could they even get all of the supplies out while under constant threat of attack?"They would get it out bwefore the threat started, since we dont all instantly become cavemen without any warnings from the chain of command. In any case, what if the post isn't entirely deserted? Are you willing to fight military soldiers for that piece of land? If so, expect heavy losses. I partially see your point about the other people, but odds are, they will just shoot you so they can have the base to themselves. Do you find this valuable? |
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SurvivalSniper |
12. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 12:32 AM EDT
The infection wouldn't spread immediately, if you actually do overpower trained military personnel. I'm sure the army would notice. Do you spy on the base all the time, or have you just noticed a decrease in activity? Think hard before you select this place as a future target Do you find this valuable? |
Freelancer47 |
13. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 1:37 AM EDT
"Yeah, its pretty crazy. Its actually a decent size base. 3rd ID is stationed here. The 4th Brigade just started to deploy this week. "You talkin' Ft. Stewart? I was stationed there. Here's my opinion: 1) If you feel absolutly certain you can overpower all those Soldiers & the Civilian contractors... Do NOT (!!!) try & occupy building 501. The construction crews did a S**t job back in 2005 & the plumming backs up All-The-Time. 2) Hins-Vegas. I'd be more worried about the Cops then the Soldiers... & I'd be more worried about the Steriotype-Upholding neghborhoods then the Soldiers. You know what I'm talking about: Overuse of the "N Word", the folks that look sideways at people who have a Crew-Cut. 3) Avoid Ranger Joes. Think about it- it's the first place to get ransacked because all the FNG's think Ranger Joes is, and I quote several of my old Privates, "The Shizzle". 4) You say you're familiar with some of the Ranges? Red Cloud Multipurpose Range Complex would probably be the best place to hole up. Think about it! -Showers -Kitchen Area -A good, what, 5 acres of open ground? -(See Above) Towers. -Swamps, Ponds, the local wild life. Me and a few buddies caught a 'Gator during our Truck & Bradley Table VIII Gunnery. - The Fawking Boars! I kid you not, I've seen some as large as a VW Bug. You could eat well for a few days with just 1 kill. Like it's been said before: It all looks, and is, great. But other people will see this too. -FL47 *3 hrs & a wake up call. VACATION!!!* Do you find this valuable? |
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Godbuster |
14. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 1:53 AM EDT
Well, anyone who has spent a year or so around a base, would know about how many brigades are stationed there. Its never completely deserted. I don't really think that a skeleton crew would want to be stranded with the nearest back up being 200-300 milees away. In fact the extra bodies would probably be welcomed...maybe not issuing out military gear, but at least sharing rations, and co-oping with locals. But that's different than actually assuming control of an installation. Rolling up on say Ft. Knox would be alot different if you were from California than if you were a local jack off. Besides, when the base starts to deploy, it really puts a strain on the local economy...businesses shut down or change their hours so its noticeable when you lose 5000 individuals every month for a few months.Martial Law would be incurred and any act of occupation of a military base would be considered a successional movement...treason. But would that hold out in a pandemic situation, where nearly the entire populus was affected or forming small groups to prolong survival? Would the military/government actually come after you if you secured a portion of their land while no one was around? What happens to the land when they shut down military installations? Do you find this valuable? |
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SurvivalSniper |
15. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 2:09 AM EDT
Think, unless everything happened when most people were rotated out. None of this pans out. When such a thing happens, eventually most would be sent home anyway. Doesn't work out to have everyone overseas if nothing is left back at home.Do you find this valuable? |
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Godbuster |
16. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 4:44 AM EDT
"You talkin' Ft. Stewart? I was stationed there.Sorry I missed your post all together. Was surfin while I was making my other post. Yeah that's where I'm talkin about. I was thinking of that same complex to be honest. Maybe hit a mess hall or two on the way. Its a good strategic location and within commutable distance to other buildings that could be locked down like building 280(MP Station) and all of the National Guard buildings are located on the same road. Patroling those areas allows you to control the traffic on the entire east side of post and part of the NW side (where the range is located). I don't know when you left Ft. Stewart, but they've added about 14 new barracks on the s/w side, all 3000 block numbers. The road where the CIF is located...where most of the other warehouses are. I actually laid tile in those buildings You know the layout of the town more than likely. Just to let you know, in the last few years, two other tactical supply stores have opened. The best one is behind Clydes (used to be Flash Foods) on 196 (E.G. Miles). They have an indoor range, the owner is liscensed gunsmith, so he has most of the tools to upgrade and maintain weapons. I know those places would be hit first but going there on the way couldn't hurt to pick up stragglers, and maybe some stuff that did get left behind...more than likely the tools and other accessories. And of course, there are always pawnshops...this town has about 15. Rummaging through places where weapons would be found would more than likely yield something useful. @SurvivalSniper I do see your point. They WOULD make an attempt to get everyone back on the home front. I just don't think they'd give two cents for this base because its not in a strategic location or in the area of anything of national importance. There are no huge reserves, of supplies. This base is for rapid deployment. Train tracks run through supply locations. Do you find this valuable? |
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agentaaa |
17. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 5:42 PM EDT
You still haven't told us how you would overpower even a skeleton crew of highly trained personnel.
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SurvivalSniper |
18. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 7 2010, 5:55 PM EDT
Relies too heavily on chance. Assuming you don't worry about any current personnel, you can't keep such a large area well defended with no one there.Best just to take one building, but then why not use a normal house or other building. Lot less trouble to acquire. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Godbuster |
19. RE: Taking over parts of a Military Base?
Jul 9 2010, 1:33 AM EDT
"You still haven't told us how you would overpower even a skeleton crew of highly trained personnel."More than likely me or even a team of trained or semi-trained couldn't take the skeleton crew because they would outnumber us anyway. I think if the situation got bad enough they'd move all personell out of the area to a place that needed more fortification like DC or something. That would leave almost 500 buildings...empty. With impeding doom spreading like wildfire they would only have enough time to get out supplies, not EVERYTHING. @SurvivalSniper I see your point. That is a rather large area to fortify. A single building wouldn't suffice for a group though. However securing multiple buildings on a block would be wise as most of them are 2-3 stories tall and provide a great view of the area. Do you find this valuable? |
