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Bigralph |
40. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Jan 4 2012, 9:47 AM EST
Or have half in steel plate on trackrollers to seal the second floor from first
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White76Knight |
41. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Jan 4 2012, 10:24 AM EST
"Or have half in steel plate on trackrollers to seal the second floor from first"That would work too, depending on the layout of your staircase. Do you find this valuable? |
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42. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Jan 4 2012, 7:20 PM EST
Panic room doors are usually only 1/4" thick with half inch thick supports around the door. A 1/4 inch will do ya pretty fine, unless they have a plasma cutter.
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White76Knight |
43. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Jan 4 2012, 9:38 PM EST
"Panic room doors are usually only 1/4" thick with half inch thick supports around the door. A 1/4 inch will do ya pretty fine, unless they have a plasma cutter."True, but plasma cutters or even a portable oxy-acetylene rig aren't all that uncommon these days, so you never know. Do you find this valuable? |
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AddisonPaluzzi |
44. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 11:02 AM EDT
you could just put a thick piece of plywood down, and shape it so it sits over your satirwell. you could then just nail the corners down, then add something heavy on top of it?
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Bigralph |
45. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 11:49 AM EDT
The steel plate will keep most anyone out. Plywood can get worn through by something scratching it for an extended period. 1/2 steel plate would require some serious firr power to get through
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CallsignPyro |
46. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 1:28 PM EDT
"The steel plate will keep most anyone out. Plywood can get worn through by something scratching it for an extended period. 1/2 steel plate would require some serious firr power to get through"Then most peoples houses would have holes in them after a few days. Three quarter inch sheathing plywood is really durable & will prevent zombies entrance rather well. 2x4 backing cut to lenght as lateral support & 2x4 diagonals nailed to the floor at 45* to prevent it getting pushed back. I use that set up to protect my windows during a hurricane. Never lost a window. Do you find this valuable? |
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Bigralph |
47. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 2:04 PM EDT
Yup that is awesome but how would it do against a raider with a crowbar
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White76Knight |
48. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 3:26 PM EDT
"Yup that is awesome but how would it do against a raider with a crowbar "No no silly Ralph, that's what the .308 and the 12ga shotgun are for. LOL Do you find this valuable? |
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Bigralph |
49. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 4:27 PM EDT
True lol im sure if raiders wanted to get me they would see that plate and just moltov my whole house. New post idea.... Moltov and raider proof house
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White76Knight |
50. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 10:06 PM EDT
"True lol im sure if raiders wanted to get me they would see that plate and just moltov my whole house. New post idea.... Moltov and raider proof house"Um... house made of things that don't burn maybe? Stone, concrete, rammed earth, brick, etc. Windows made of shatter resistant materials (lexan, wire reinforced glass, whatever) or covered with security grilles so that molotovs are kept on the outside and away from the furniture and other flammable contents inside. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
51. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 15 2012, 11:15 PM EDT
If you wanted to get into the subject of a Molotov-proof house I would stick to a flame proof house in general: The reason being is the easiest way to defend against a Molotov Cocktail is with active defense (guards). Bullets go much farther than most people could throw any sort of incendiary.Keeping a perimeter clear is important too. Fortifications rarely ever have trees or cover around them. Withholding cover from your enemy and keeping the high ground is critical. Do you find this valuable? |
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Bigralph |
52. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 12:01 AM EDT
Most roofs where I live are plywood covered with tar paper and terracotta roof tiles. Im not sure how well that would stand up to a molotov. I agree with you guys about the active defenses. Luckily my condos roof has acess to my neighbors condo for possible escape routes or flanking
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White76Knight |
53. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 8:10 AM EDT
"If you wanted to get into the subject of a Molotov-proof house I would stick to a flame proof house in general: The reason being is the easiest way to defend against a Molotov Cocktail is with active defense (guards). Bullets go much farther than most people could throw any sort of incendiary.True, but flame proof in general also protects you from wildfires, prevents your home from burning should your neighbor experience a house fire, minimizes structural damage should you have a fire of your own INSIDE the house, and so on. Bullets alone can't stop any of those things, no? Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
54. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 8:11 AM EDT
"Most roofs where I live are plywood covered with tar paper and terracotta roof tiles. Im not sure how well that would stand up to a molotov. I agree with you guys about the active defenses. Luckily my condos roof has acess to my neighbors condo for possible escape routes or flanking"This is why many of the more effective defenses would have to be retrofitted into the home, or better yet, included from the get go in a new construction. Do you find this valuable? |
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brandon_a_boyer |
55. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 8:46 AM EDT
"True, but flame proof in general also protects you from wildfires, prevents your home from burning should your neighbor experience a house fire, minimizes structural damage should you have a fire of your own INSIDE the house, and so on. Bullets alone can't stop any of those things, no?"Sorry, after looking over my post it doesn't exactly convey what I meant. I agree entirely that you do want to flame proof your home as best you can. However, keeping an ember from lighting your house on fire, and keeping a quart of napalm from setting your house on fire are two entirely different matters. Hence the lecture on active defense. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
56. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 9:08 AM EDT
"Sorry, after looking over my post it doesn't exactly convey what I meant.Oh no argument here, active defense is definitely important, but I'm just saying that if the exterior of your home is constructed entirely of non-flammable materials then the quart of makeshift "napalm" won't do much more than a wayward ember anyway. Do you find this valuable? |
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CallsignPyro |
57. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
"Yup that is awesome but how would it do against a raider with a crowbar "If a thief wants in, he/she will get in. All this stuff is is a preventive measure. & to the crowbar, it'll take a few wacks before it can gain purchase & grab something, giving you time to shoot the invader. Do you find this valuable? |
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White76Knight |
58. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 2:31 PM EDT
"If a thief wants in, he/she will get in. All this stuff is is a preventive measure.I don't know. I think it depends on how far you're willing to go with it. Once you armor or fortify your home beyond a certain point, the average thief just ain't getting in, even if only because forcing their way in would at the very least require tools or equipment that they are highly unlikely to have at all, much less have with them. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zee-Man |
59. RE: Perfect Zombie Proof Home: Retracting Stairs
Aug 16 2012, 2:44 PM EDT
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"I don't know. I think it depends on how far you're willing to go with it. Once you armor or fortify your home beyond a certain point, the average thief just ain't getting in, even if only because forcing their way in would at the very least require tools or equipment that they are highly unlikely to have at all, much less have with them."That is the point of present security measure. Locks keep honest people honest is one way to say it. Another is that any security measure is only as good as the enemy's desire to overcome it. Tamper proof screws can be removed. Having the correct driver to do so isn't impossible, just terribly uncommon. You cna hide under a rock, if I keep a pile of brush burning on top of it long enough you will get uncomfortable. Not inpossible, just terribly unlikely that I would do it. RE: terra cotta tile roofing. I think against liquid fuel with a low flash point (most molotovs and napalm) these will stand the test. I would guess, based on thickness, that they can withstand 800 F continuous use. Which is to say that the 5 to 15 minutes of burn time is not going to achieve steady state. On the other hand, burning fuel that might reach the rain gutter has direct contact with combustible fascia. Also of not 50% of each tile is resistant to physical shock and 50% is extra susceptible. So while TC tile has good thermal characteristics, it could easily break if the vodka bottle hits it hard enough in a "trough" or the point where its compressive strength is weakest. The trough is 1/8 the compressive strength of the "hump". PS Whatever came of the retracting stairs? Do you find this valuable? |