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BrianUllman
BrianUllman
Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:05 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:05 AM EDT
Would you fend for yourself in the world, or build a colony? If you decided to build a colony, how would you choose who was allowed into your colony? 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
ward_king
ward_king
1. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:10 AM EDT
Alcatraz city= the new DC 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
BrianUllman
BrianUllman
2. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:22 AM EDT
XD The book of Eli 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
LJ126
LJ126
3. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:33 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:33 AM EDT
Both? Neither?

I can do just fine by myself. In fact, I have some advantages to going solo. I can move at my own pace, haul my own gear and worry about myself once I get to my primary BOL.

I don't like the idea of a "colony." Let's cram a whole bunch of ordinary people, who are likely emotionally unstable due to major unexpected physical and psychological trauma into an area and expect them to be able to function normally... on top of that, add flesh eating zombies. I'll take my chances elsewhere, thank you very much.

However, if I could pick any scenario, I would want a small party of 4-6 like-minded friends or family to live in a wilderness retreat sort of thing. You get the advantages of mobility afforded to individuals, but with the advantage of extra hands working on similar goals. No need for structured leadership, none of the BS associated with living in close proximity to strangers....
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ward_king
ward_king
4. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 7:07 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 7:07 AM EDT
"XD The book of Eli"
no to harass duton 1 XD
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Eritsukukun
Eritsukukun
5. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 8:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 8:12 AM EDT
This is a old discussion that have been tread on before.
I will tell you what I said last thread.
Lone ranger only works when you are healthy, well fed, and don't need to take a ****.

The community is the only way to build wealth and what is the point of surviving if you have no chance to ever be safe or to relax again.
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Carnack
Carnack
6. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 2:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 2:00 PM EDT
"Both? Neither?

I can do just fine by myself. In fact, I have some advantages to going solo. I can move at my own pace, haul my own gear and worry about myself once I get to my primary BOL.

I don't like the idea of a "colony." Let's cram a whole bunch of ordinary people, who are likely emotionally unstable due to major unexpected physical and psychological trauma into an area and expect them to be able to function normally... on top of that, add flesh eating zombies. I'll take my chances elsewhere, thank you very much.

However, if I could pick any scenario, I would want a small party of 4-6 like-minded friends or family to live in a wilderness retreat sort of thing. You get the advantages of mobility afforded to individuals, but with the advantage of extra hands working on similar goals. No need for structured leadership, none of the BS associated with living in close proximity to strangers.... "
+1

I'm way too paranoid to stake myself down to one location. I'd DEAL with colonies but I'd stay by myself with maybe a few people.

Although one disagreement is that any group needs a leadership structure. Just so they'd have someone to break disagreements.

The Huns were successful thanks to their mobility. If I'm mobile a raider group would have a hard time planning around me.
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BrianUllman
BrianUllman
7. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 5:53 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 5:53 PM EDT
I would make a community,obviously you need experienced people at certain things, but if you could get a use out of the helpless people, why not? 0  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
emershawdalton
emershawdalton
8. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 5:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 5:58 PM EDT
well id be fine alone or in a colony because if i was alone id be able to go where i want and do what i want and there would be no one to speak against me, but if i was in a colony the only way it would work for me is if i was in charge, a colony has more people going toward a common goal but i don't trust anyone enough to tell me what to do, so therefore id have to lead and it would be in the best interest of the colony anyway because im the closest thing to a zombie/survival expert anywhere near me

so therefore id pick colony because if you have a very fortified position you could make a pretty good little town and eventually grow crops and raise animals
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Mike_Gosot
Mike_Gosot
9. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:10 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:10 PM EDT
The only bad side of a community is that you will need to gather more supplies for everyone. But still, you can quit the community if you are not satisfied with the conditions.
But, if everyone can be useful... If everyone can search for more supplies, like BrianUllman said: "Why not?"
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Madurjafro
Madurjafro
10. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:15 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:15 PM EDT
a community with about 10 people to start with. and maybe anybody that I pick up on my to the BOL 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Celticborne
Celticborne
11. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:36 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:36 PM EDT
Start a new town, Where i live, we can farm, and hunt, surviving on your own here would be impossible, especially in the winter.
A war between to towns in my area would be devastating for both, unless it happens in one foul sweep, and even then, towns would have to work together, because some areas have access to farm land, but not any medicine, other supply, and the other has supply's, but cant hunt, grow food.
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Celticborne
Celticborne
12. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:38 PM EDT
"Start a new town, Where i live, we can farm, and hunt, surviving on your own here would be impossible, especially in the winter.
A war between to towns in my area would be devastating for both, unless it happens in one foul sweep, and even then, towns would have to work together, because some areas have access to farm land, but not any medicine, other supply, and the other has supply's, but cant hunt, grow food. "
Any one able would be allowed. as well as any one to young to fend for themselves, and mothers with children.
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Madurjafro
Madurjafro
13. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 1 2010, 6:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 1 2010, 6:46 PM EDT
"Any one able would be allowed. as well as any one to young to fend for themselves, and mothers with children."
and what if they are infected?

a courtyard with a room where the person is searched/ strip search to reveal any bites etc. then give them a warm cuppa Tea/Coffee/Cocoa for the inconvenience.

The kids won't be strip searched as asking them would be enough because they may not know the danger of being bitten.
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BrianUllman
BrianUllman
14. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 4:01 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 4:01 AM EDT
of course, you would probably want to let people in just after z-day and a few years after z-day (non-infected of course) because people would most likely be untrustworthy in between that time Do you find this valuable?    
HopefulSurvivor
HopefulSurvivor
15. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 4:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 4:25 PM EDT
"Would you fend for yourself in the world, or build a colony? If you decided to build a colony, how would you choose who was allowed into your colony?"
Definately going to be in some sort of survival group (if i find any other survivors of course; i am also preparing myself to have to survive alone if need be); there are huge advantages to working with a group. Some include Dividing tasks, less work on the individual, more social interaction (which believe it or not does a HELL of a lot to boost moral in a life or death situation, having someone with you who you know is in as much hell as you are really makes you feel better about the whole thing), and finally Increased security (which i will admit is debatable). Aside from those you could always look at herd of gazelle who survive in packs because living in groups would make it hard for predators (like zombies) to single out an individual, and also the gazelle dont really have to outrun the predator, they simply must outrun the slowest of their herd. (i wont have to outrun the zombies, only my fellow survivors, and im pretty fast.)
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Reaper37
Reaper37
16. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 4:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 4:42 PM EDT
The biggest problem with going solo in my opinion of course, is the fact it runs too much chance of being killed, hence further endangering the human species. Think of it this way, eventually the major threat will die down, whether it be zombies or groups of raiders and gangs, it will disolve at some point. After that, rebuilding of society needs to begin and what happens if a major event occurred, killing most of the population across the planet. In order to carry a species like humans, with a safe gean pool you would need around 5000 or so people to do this, meaning a large community. Of course this is not required to cotninue the species, people being on their own can continue just by running in small groups, but it seems like too much of a risk to bring into the equasion when it is not needed and can be prevented. So my obvious answer is community, all issues regarding the persons inside can be resolved with a little (or alot) of effort. Do you find this valuable?    
HopefulSurvivor
HopefulSurvivor
17. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 4:52 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 4:52 PM EDT
"Definately going to be in some sort of survival group (if i find any other survivors of course; i am also preparing myself to have to survive alone if need be); there are huge advantages to working with a group. Some include Dividing tasks, less work on the individual, more social interaction (which believe it or not does a HELL of a lot to boost moral in a life or death situation, having someone with you who you know is in as much hell as you are really makes you feel better about the whole thing), and finally Increased security (which i will admit is debatable). Aside from those you could always look at herd of gazelle who survive in packs because living in groups would make it hard for predators (like zombies) to single out an individual, and also the gazelle dont really have to outrun the predator, they simply must outrun the slowest of their herd. (i wont have to outrun the zombies, only my fellow survivors, and im pretty fast.)"
Although i said i would be most likely oining some sort of colony/survival group i neglected to actually answer your question of who would be allowed in. I personally would allow anyone who has skills or intelligence that could potentially benefit all in the colony. Before being allowed in a full search will be conducted to check for bites and other signs of infection. Women and men will not bunk in the same area of camp to prevent potential rape scenarios (this tends to happen during disasters). I would establish a town watch consisting of those with expertise in security (if any can be found). Town watch will not only watch for infected individuals but keep the peace within the colony, and enforce laws. Basic laws are
1: If you dont work, you dont eat
1a: this law takes exception to those who are unable to work due to severe illness or advanced pregnancy. Other exemptions include those under age 4.
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HopefulSurvivor
HopefulSurvivor
18. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 4:55 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 4:55 PM EDT
"Although i said i would be most likely oining some sort of colony/survival group i neglected to actually answer your question of who would be allowed in. I personally would allow anyone who has skills or intelligence that could potentially benefit all in the colony. Before being allowed in a full search will be conducted to check for bites and other signs of infection. Women and men will not bunk in the same area of camp to prevent potential rape scenarios (this tends to happen during disasters). I would establish a town watch consisting of those with expertise in security (if any can be found). Town watch will not only watch for infected individuals but keep the peace within the colony, and enforce laws. Basic laws are
1: If you dont work, you dont eat
1a: this law takes exception to those who are unable to work due to severe illness or advanced pregnancy. Other exemptions include those under age 4.
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2: Stealing, rape, murder, and other obvious crimes will be punished with banishment.
I have more laws but i dont feel the need to spam up this thread with all my postings lol
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Reaper37
Reaper37
19. RE: Lone Ranger or Community?
Aug 3 2010, 5:00 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 3 2010, 5:00 PM EDT
"Although i said i would be most likely oining some sort of colony/survival group i neglected to actually answer your question of who would be allowed in. I personally would allow anyone who has skills or intelligence that could potentially benefit all in the colony. Before being allowed in a full search will be conducted to check for bites and other signs of infection. Women and men will not bunk in the same area of camp to prevent potential rape scenarios (this tends to happen during disasters). I would establish a town watch consisting of those with expertise in security (if any can be found). Town watch will not only watch for infected individuals but keep the peace within the colony, and enforce laws. Basic laws are
1: If you dont work, you dont eat
1a: this law takes exception to those who are unable to work due to severe illness or advanced pregnancy. Other exemptions include those under age 4.
........................................"
Viva La Revolution, jk.... I agree a person with a good skill set is great to have, but you must remember that so many of those without them, are capable of being taught. I agree rape can, and might very well occur, however sectioning men and women off seems a bit extremem, in my opinion, i think just a strong, peace enforcement would suffice. I agree with fully searching them upon entry to the colony, dont need someone with infection getting in, and personally i would hold a person in a contained part of the base for at least 24-48 hours to ensure no signs of infection come up. Starving people might not be a good image when your trying to win their hearts and minds, i agree people need to do their part, but other ways might be explored, possibly cutting a finger or whole hand off, that might work, (again a joke). Seriously though, not sure what type of punishment should be implimented, i know that has been a large debate for a long time here on the wiki. All of this of course is IMO.
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